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Slime_Punk

Contaminating the hive mind
V.I.P Member
Admittedly makes me feel even more self-conscious about my own music though lol

I totally understand this feeling on a deep level. The sad part is it prevented me, and sometimes still does, from making any art or music at all.

We (creatives) are our own worst critics. There have been many times that I felt the same way about opening an art thread or posting something I've made (especially elsewhere, mind you, because everyone here is so nice), because admittedly it opens you up to a world of vulnerability. I've also had a lot of brutal critique dumped on my head publicly for it (public reviews, discord servers, forums, etc), and there's even a web-zine that wrote an article about me basically poking fun at my music (which, in retrospect I think is very endearing and hilarious in a roundabout way, because at least they featured me in an article, lol).

But honestly, through the years I've realized (aside from it making me a little emotionally stronger about those particular vulnerabilities) that if I stop, I'm going to let them win. It's just not worth it for me, and I firmly believe that sharing your art (if you feel so inclined) enriches all of us. But with that said, there's no pressure to share anything you don't want to share - I just wanted to put that out there in case it helped anyone with those feelings of inadequacy that get the best of every single creator in the world.

I'd make a thread about it, but you know. "That's stupid, you should shut up" says the inner voice :)
 

Moogwizard

My Brain is Only a Receiver
V.I.P Member
A little wake up song to start the day , This is a song I wrote about the comfort in repetition and how sometimes things can change , with anything, partners , life , hobbies etc . What ever your favorite thing to do is .

 

Mr. Stevens

Well-Known Member
V.I.P Member
A little wake up song to start the day , This is a song I wrote about the comfort in repetition and how sometimes things can change , with anything, partners , life , hobbies etc . What ever your favorite thing to do is .

Very nice stuff, Moogwizard. The track reminded me a bit of Supergrass, who I love. You've got a fantastic voice, too. I also really enjoyed the guitar work...great mix and interplay between the instruments.
 

Mr. Stevens

Well-Known Member
V.I.P Member
We (creatives) are our own worst critics. There have been many times that I felt the same way about opening an art thread or posting something I've made (especially elsewhere, mind you, because everyone here is so nice), because admittedly it opens you up to a world of vulnerability. I've also had a lot of brutal critique dumped on my head publicly for it (public reviews, discord servers, forums, etc), and there's even a web-zine that wrote an article about me basically poking fun at my music (which, in retrospect I think is very endearing and hilarious in a roundabout way, because at least they featured me in an article, lol).

But honestly, through the years I've realized (aside from it making me a little emotionally stronger about those particular vulnerabilities) that if I stop, I'm going to let them win. It's just not worth it for me, and I firmly believe that sharing your art (if you feel so inclined) enriches all of us. But with that said, there's no pressure to share anything you don't want to share - I just wanted to put that out there in case it helped anyone with those feelings of inadequacy that get the best of every single creator in the world.

I'd make a thread about it, but you know. "That's stupid, you should shut up" says the inner voice :)
This is a wonderful post. People can be so dismissive on the internet, especially since it's anonymous. Many cultures seem to value this tastemaker/critic/influencer ideal, now, especially with the rise of talent shows. A lot of people want to show why something is amazing or horrible (it's almost always a black and white view), even if they lack critical ability.

I can't stand this whole process of ranking, for example. Everything is judged, but little is understood. I see many people who can't tell the difference between their preference and a genuine flaw in art. For example, they think music is bad if it doesn't please them. But, while aspects of art are objective, there is also taste. There's plenty of music I dislike, but I can't say anything is wrong with it. It just doesn't speak to me. Conversely, some people say, "It's all subjective." But, this isn't true, either, or we couldn't communicate.

It's true the insults can be a distorted compliment, though sad if that's so much of what we encounter. This is why I hate reviews, which often rely on initial impression, or a "hot take" (another phrase I hate). Who cares about someone's uninformed opinion? Communication like this is designed to get a reaction, more than anything. It's very immature. I prefer criticism, which seeks to understand something and what it is doing. It's not about good or bad, really, and definitely not about ranking.

Didn't think I'd go on so much, but this is a constant source of frustration for me. Everyone wants to be heard, but no one wants to listen. Unfortunately, people must resort to hyperbole and other forms of figurative screaming to be heard online.
 

Moogwizard

My Brain is Only a Receiver
V.I.P Member
Very nice stuff, Moogwizard. The track reminded me a bit of Supergrass, who I love. You've got a fantastic voice, too. I also really enjoyed the guitar work...great mix and interplay between the instruments.
Thanks I appreciate that! I have to check out Supergrass I am not familiar with them . I can’t take credit for Singing lead vocals that was that was Rhythm guitarist Mike and an amazing singer .
I was mainly the music composer and conductor and would write some lyrics too . But mainly I was the mysterious very quiet guy in the back (I still am) who was the secret weapon ,writing , producing and leader of the music direction and enforcer of perfection.I would sometimes show up to practice with my whole songs written or sometimes fractions . And then make the band work very hard . I was not liked very much
 

Rodafina

Hopefully Human
V.I.P Member
I've been working on this one for the last few nights, I'm really happy with it!
Keep in mind that I'm a songwriter... not a guitarist or singer :')


It's called Hematite
Thanks for listening, if you do!
Fantastic lyrics! Relate so much. Agreed with the others that you are ALL the things.
 

Knower of nothing

Well-Known Member
Conversely, some people say, "It's all subjective." But, this isn't true, either, or we couldn't communicate.
I truly believe it can only ever be FULLY subjective. If only because of the nature of a value judgment. There truly is no good and bad music without someone's opinion. A shared opinion doesn't make it objective either. And opinions are all you need to communicate. We can point at aspects of music objectively, but only in our personal taste can we follow this up with "and that's something I like". If music discussion was purely descriptive it'd mean nothing to me.
I think of some of the most accomplished and famous pieces that were ever made, and I think of the people that just don't really care for them. To claim an objectivity in the value of those pieces is equal to denying those people their reality.
 

Mr. Stevens

Well-Known Member
V.I.P Member
I truly believe it can only ever be FULLY subjective. If only because of the nature of a value judgment. There truly is no good and bad music without someone's opinion. A shared opinion doesn't make it objective either. And opinions are all you need to communicate. We can point at aspects of music objectively, but only in our personal taste can we follow this up with "and that's something I like". If music discussion was purely descriptive it'd mean nothing to me.
I think of some of the most accomplished and famous pieces that were ever made, and I think of the people that just don't really care for them. To claim an objectivity in the value of those pieces is equal to denying those people their reality.
I don't really disagree with this. When I said there were objective aspects of art I was thinking of story or song structures, for example. They must appeal to a certain way of receiving information to be popular. Not that all minds are identical, but we need some amount of overlap to communicate, especially at that level. You seem to allude to this, though, when you say we can point at aspects of music objectively. I didn't mean liking something was objective. That's why I said I can dislike music, but realize it isn't necessarily bad--it's just not for me.

My problem with the idea of everything being subjective is it becomes easy to ignore those objective qualities. I've seen people get a pass for bashing something without acknowledging that it still took talent to make. I don't think they had to like it, because we don't choose what we like or dislike. But, we do choose to be open-minded.
 

Knower of nothing

Well-Known Member
I don't really disagree with this. When I said there were objective aspects of art I was thinking of story or song structures, for example. They must appeal to a certain way of receiving information to be popular. Not that all minds are identical, but we need some amount of overlap to communicate, especially at that level. You seem to allude to this, though, when you say we can point at aspects of music objectively. I didn't mean liking something was objective. That's why I said I can dislike music, but realize it isn't necessarily bad--it's just not for me.

My problem with the idea of everything being subjective is it becomes easy to ignore those objective qualities. I've seen people get a pass for bashing something without acknowledging that it still took talent to make. I don't think they had to like it, because we don't choose what we like or dislike. But, we do choose to be open-minded.
Respecting effort is separate isn't it? Bashing something is simply mean after all. I don't think it's really a subjectivity problem; though I understand the desire to point at something substantial to defend the passion you feel towards a work of art. Related example: You could say I've bashed the Mona Lisa before by saying I wouldn't even pay 10 bucks for it to have it in my living room because I just don't care for the painting (was in a discussion about art-pricing for context). To me, it's an unimportant piece of art.
So am I ignoring objective qualities there? Why should I care that it took talent to make if I don't like the painting? I don't mind that it exists obviously, good for the artist for working hard, good for the people that love it, but none of that should matter to me. I just shouldn't be rude about expressing that. Don't dismiss art, but don't pull value out of nothing either.
 

TheName

Well-Known Member
A little wake up song to start the day , This is a song I wrote about the comfort in repetition and how sometimes things can change , with anything, partners , life , hobbies etc . What ever your favorite thing to do is .

F.... He'll this guitars. You played it? Sing it?
 

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