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Need advice on my ASPIE son

The thing is that these kids are intelligent, so guilt doesn't work. And they may not believe you when you say hey no chores, no dinner. Child laws are different, parents are punished for more things. My daughter said no to license, l wouldn't accept that. But l never asked for anything, so she knew she had to get it. I dangled a Jeep sport car, used but l tricked out the stereo system for her. Then she became motivated. And she drove herself to final year of high school. Then she actually applied for work with zero prodding. So perhaps helping your son transition to a coming of age privilege, a car, a part-time job maybe? My daughter was swept up in the aimne conventions, so she had independence to go to those. She stayed away from drugs and other things.

But her emotions were all over the place. She was fragile. She ended up with excellent counseling from her high school. What a relief.

Oh, in our case it was not a menace. The day after failing my exam I had no toys, no desserts, no money. Just a new notebook at my desk to be filled with math practices to prepare to my "2nd chance exam" which I was told to get a clean 10 if i wanted back my old life.

It was real, my father did not wasted a word trying to convince me of the importance of studying. He told me, "If after practicing for your exam you are not worth for studing you start working with me the next day". "We need money to pay your sisters university"

In the next month I had nothing to do but practicing for that exam while I saw my sisters having all the luxurities I had taken for granted.

Im not saying that this is the solution for @The Lorax son, just wanted to share our case because it oppened my eyes to see how dependant was my life of getting good grades and a nice job.
 
@Lorax

Why on earth are you asking an Aspie how they feel? He literally doesn't know.

Don't waste time speaking "NT" to your son.
Learn to strip out the "NT overlay" instead. It's much easier for an NT to do that than it is for someone on the spectrum to learn to speak NT.

FWIW I learned from a friend who has an ASD child (currently 22 or 23) that the typical time when we become self motivated to achieve personal independence is 25-ish. I don't know where he got the number from, but it certainly wasn't from a random web search - it will definitely have come from a specialist.

I also have three other "data points":
  • A: Male, 30ish, fully independent since 26/27
  • B: Male, 26/27, not there yet but taking steps in the right direction
  • C: Me - much earlier than 25, but my symptoms are relatively mild. Plus I didn't have the option of staying with my parents indefinitely, and at that time/place it was possible to pay for each year at university via unskilled labor during the long holiday
 
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I read that he was ahead a couple of years in education. It could be that it has created a rift between him and his classmates socially. It could be that he's academically being challenged properly but finding social connections that are in the same stage as him. Considering you mentioned cutting of internet I'm assuming he's online gaming. This could mean that this is filling some sort of social need that he wouldn't get at school. It could be valuable to know that.

If his response to questions about his feelings stays "I don't know" I'd suggest to invite him to figure it out together. I usually apply the four base emotions to work towards a specific mood (anger, sadness, fear and happiness.).

Example:

A: what's going through your head right now?
B: don't know.
A: What feeling or which combination would you connect to this? Anger, sadness, fear or happiness.
B: I'm just frustrated and tired.
A: Why?

And the conversation rolls on.

In my experience 'I don't know' is a dismissive phrase that indicates that it's not a simple emotion. Typically one can always categorise emotions in two of the base emotions, you can tell if you're mad or happy at least.
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I don't read a lot on what your son himself would like to do with this situation (besides just gaming?). Regardless of what would be best for him, it sounds like he's reaching a stage where he will need to decide for himself.
 
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It could be that it has created a rift between him and his classmates socially.
Could be a very real possibility. My psych professor said that she didn't like the idea of putting gifted kids in grade levels well above their age because of this. Kids in these situations typically don't receive the social stimuli they need. A few years in teenage years create a huge difference in social skills. Not to mention OP's child is aspie.
 
@Neoatal RRT - He wants computer science, mathematics, and possibly physics. He has a 141 I.Q. He doesn't study worth a damn and gets A/B without trying. Write like an adult, speaks like a professional. But the anxiety is catastrophically impairing.

@Thinx – I don’t feel like a great parent. We feel we are a bit weak. NT kids no issues. But with him, it is a different situation. My wife has what he has. She makes the big bucks. So say I say something like "ok you don't have to go to school but I don't have to provide internet and power to your room" which is valid. He will stomp, break, throw, and yell for I don't know how long. Then work himself up and it will repeat for a long time OR shut down by pounding the walls which is highly mentally disturbing. If my wife was an NT we could withstand it. But she isn't and she can't. She is already breaking down into depression over this whole thing. I am holding a lit stick of dynamite in one hand and a bottle of nitroglycerine with the fire extinguisher in the other. I constantly have to strategically manipulate the situation so they don't set each other off. If my wife breaks and loses her job due to the stress we are in trouble. She can take up to 6 months to recover. And of course, if she does go down he gets worse. Our marriage is great. But this is a huge weight I have to deal with each day and at some point, I may snap from the stress as I have in the past. I recover in a few hours though.

@Atrapa Almas - That is funny. No that will have the opposite effect on him. He will go into panic mode overwhelmed by that horrific scenario.

@Aspychata - Nope. There is a brand new computer waiting for him. Ours were almost a decade old so I custom-built him one. He has zero motivation to get it. It is sitting on my dining room table. I have to do everything to set it up. He is always like later, later to move the data. The only occasional reward that works is sushi otherwise rewards never work. Punishment doesn't work.

@Crossbrred - thanks.

@Hypnalis - I just literally read that you shouldn't be asking how they feel because they can't express themselves just yesterday when I was doing more research. And yes about 25 is correct. That is about when your brain becomes fully developed. Even I was only motivated at pretty much that age slightly less. I am still learning how to communicate with him. Another thing I just learned is that what I thought was being a good dad talking to him and trying to tell him everything would be ok in his mind it was "I am a failure because dad said everything will be ok and it isn't for me". Recently he has been completely misinterpreting things. But what I learned is to validate his feelings. Not that I dismiss them and never have. But saying "don't worry this is a minor situation and it will get better" with all good intentions isn't the right thing to say because he takes it completely differently. Your numbers on being motivated are encouraging. At least I have a goal. He is very mild. His anxiety is what is killing him not the autism. It creates more problems than autism.



@LuxLuca - 1st year of high school we gave him easier classes than they wanted to overload him with. But yea he is much smarter than the normal kids in these classes. It is hard to find common ground with them especially when you don't have the social skills to realize you gotta dumb it down to fit in. You can't talk about graduate-level math with another 15 year old. Or the enzymes produced by a bacteria that generate blady blah chemical. They are like "say what"? Math and computer sci are his things. He games, watches science videos, math videos, and codes. He used to play music but stopped. He used to take martial arts and stopped.

### UPDATE

All the responses help a lot. Helps me mentally, and helps me understand him.

My son has fallen into depression + anxiety with self-injury. I am very perceptive about serious changes in his emotional state and something was not right at all. So I emailed the psychologist detailing a lot of information. My wife was losing it herself as she has the same conditions. I have been filled with anxiety also. We both didn't want to work but I can push through it. She can't. She is the main breadwinner and I take care of the kid and everything else.



So the doctor prescribed him Abilify (Aripiprazole) which is an anti-psychotic that stabilizes serotonin and dopamine. After 1 day we are seeing improvements. It is day 2 and he is happier but it is intermittent. It will take ~5 days to see significant changes and weeks for the full effect. At least he is communicating with more than 1-word sentences.

She was very concerned because he had a lot of signs of possible suicidal tendencies even though he didn't say anything.

What my wife and I realize is that this started back in January and has been deteriorating ever since slowly. We don't want just stuff him with medication when he misbehaves of course. But usually, there comes a point where we have removed every other factor in the situation and we are down to "it must be the meds aren't working we need help." We thought this was all new school anxiety like normal kids have just a little worse. But no his body changed and a larger mental issue manifested replacing his ADD.

So he is doing enough work to keep his grades up. He won't be going back because he is not right in the head. We are looking into a private school option with only 90 high school kids for him for 1 on 1 and small classes. The high school he is at has 3,000 kids... I feel overwhelmed walking around.



Question assuming his meds are correct. How do I get him out of the house to do social things when he doesn't want to? The only way I know how is to say "ok you don't have to go but I also don't have to provide power to your room" so he can't be on the computer. If I go down this road my day has just become difficult for hours as we enter the mental Thunderdome.... "Two men enter, one man leaves"
 
Judging from what you've said about the situation, consider the possibility that you are not a good fit with your child. This might not be related to his autism; plenty of NT families go through this too, and there's no blame on you or the kid. In short, some parents and child can easily relate to each other while some can't. In the case that they can't, there might be too big of a difference of temperament and personality for both parties to operate on intuition. I don't have good advice for this, but try to understand his reasoning for doing things, and avoid jumping to conclusions that he's doing things that are bad for him just because you don't see the reasoning.

Not that I dismiss them and never have. But saying "don't worry this is a minor situation and it will get better" with all good intentions isn't the right thing to say because he takes it completely differently.
Sounds like depression & anxiety working its way. When I was depressed I often interpreted things in a helpless way. So "don't worry this is a minor situation" became interpreted as "I can't even work through a minor situation," which added on to my helplessness. This is pretty relatable. I'm not sure if your son understood that you were trying to help but just not succeeding. I always knew when others were trying to help but failing miserably, so it didn't bother me as much, but some people with depression can't tell. It might be worthwhile to tell him that you didn't realize he was interpreting it differently. For the support talk, I would suggest not saying things like "it's small and you can get over it." Often in my head, I was thinking, it's not small and I can't get over it, I'm a failure for not being able to get over something so small, etc. Instead, suggest that you'll always be there to help if he needs help with something.

we are down to "it must be the meds aren't working we need help."
I'm by no means a professional or even close to one, but here are my two-cents. Keep pumping someone with meds isn't the most helpful for them to figure out things. Meds are only helpful when the condition legitimately has mostly biological causes, like postpartum depression and menopause. Teenagers are more likely to get depressed because of hormones, but that's far from the only cause. Most of the time it's because of rapid changes in situations, and that kids are growing, trying to make sense of a lot of things. Since you mentioned this probably started in January, it's probably more than just teenage hormones. You child needs to learn what is causing him anxiety and go from there. If he has difficulties identifying his mental state, this will be hard. I agree with how someone else said that saying "I don't know" means that the situation is too much for him to comprehend. I don't have good suggestions. Maybe finding a therapist in CBT? The focus should be someone who could work with thought patterns.

How do I get him out of the house to do social things when he doesn't want to? The only way I know how is to say "ok you don't have to go but I also don't have to provide power to your room" so he can't be on the computer.
Why is it so important for him to get out of the house? If he's depressed, that'll only make his life harder, a lot harder. If he's into computer games, there is a good possibility that he's making real friendships online. My teenage years weren't that long ago, and I grew up with the Internet. My observation is that older adults often have a cynical view of online friends, but I've developed deep connections with people I met online (one of which I met in middle school and stayed friends). Personally I never felt the urge to head out as a teenager, except for fulfilling expectations, like school or buying necessities. This goes back to the "good fit" thing I mentioned at the top. Social things that work for you might not work for him.

Also I think there is a visual stim element of computer games. Look into whether he's seeking visual stimulation with the games, although it might be hard for him to answer the question.

Personally I don't agree with the approach of taking away his privileges many people have mentioned here. That will turn into a power struggle between you and your child fast, especially when he's a teenager. Coupled with depression, he's likely going to think you can basically control whatever he has, and he has no power over what he wants. Granted, it makes sense to take things away when he misbehaves, but for a child that often feels like "I have to obey my parents or they'll do things." The "because I said so" approach never worked for me.

Also, I grew up in a culture where the idea of "privilege" specifically as the entertainment for children is often not noted. Never quite understood why some things (i.e. TV or games) are considered privileges in the west, per se. I understand taking them away as a punishment, but not the idea that they are some sort of "add-ons." Adults watch TV too, but do they stop themselves from watching TV when they do something wrong? No. A power imbalance right here. And if anything above basic survival needs are privileges, then almost everything is a privilege. Reading the newspaper, going to workout, drawing, any hobbies, etc. When was the last time you heard someone lose that kind of privilege? Listening to music on your phone is a privilege, but practicing an instrument is not? I personally love reading, and never had that "privilege" taken away as a punishment. Anyways, going off-topic here...
 
@Neoatal RRT - He wants computer science, mathematics, and possibly physics. He has a 141 I.Q. He doesn't study worth a damn and gets A/B without trying. Write like an adult, speaks like a professional. But the anxiety is catastrophically impairing.

@Thinx – I don’t feel like a great parent. We feel we are a bit weak. NT kids no issues. But with him, it is a different situation. My wife has what he has. She makes the big bucks. So say I say something like "ok you don't have to go to school but I don't have to provide internet and power to your room" which is valid. He will stomp, break, throw, and yell for I don't know how long. Then work himself up and it will repeat for a long time OR shut down by pounding the walls which is highly mentally disturbing. If my wife was an NT we could withstand it. But she isn't and she can't. She is already breaking down into depression over this whole thing...

People who are highly intelligent like your son can get frustrated very easily when they don't understand things that are important such as emotions that everyone else understands. It's obvious from your posts that most of his problems stem from difficulty understanding and regulating his emotions which is NOT a genetic or biological problem. It is a psychological problem usually caused by emotional neglect which is often unintentional and just means that children have difficulty understanding and regulating their emotions because their parents didn't adequately teach them. Normally, parents teach their children about emotions by paying attention to their emotional signals such as facial expressions and nonverbal body language from a young age to help them identify their emotional states, teaching them what causes emotions, how their emotions affect their behavior, good ways to resolve situations that cause emotional distress to change the emotions they experience, and helping them form good habits through consistent discipline (praising good behavior and discouraging bad behavior) in a sensitive and empathetic way that shows they are attuned to their emotional needs.

Children who suffer from emotional neglect or just don't understand emotions very well may think there is something wrong with them or believe they are different than other people which can result in depression, anxiety, frustration, apathy, anhedonia, and other problems you described. While it's easier in the short-term to rely on psychiatric drugs as a quick fix (anti-psychotics to suppress frustration and anger, antidepressants to suppress sadness, anti-anxiety drugs to suppress anxiety, or stimulants to provide the effects of positive emotions that are lacking), your son will be much better off over the long-term if you treat the root cause of his problems (which is probably low emotional intelligence). There are plenty of books about emotional intelligence and websites with information about emotions that can help him understand and resolve the problems in his life.

Here's a link to a video I found that explains emotions very well:
Emotions and Feelings • Schema Therapy Online

How do I get him out of the house to do social things when he doesn't want to?

People act based on their emotions. People feel better socializing when they feel like they belong and feel worse when they feel like they don't belong. Pressuring him to do social things that make him feel worse sends the message that you don't understand him because you aren't attuned to his emotional needs.

Helping him understand his emotions will make it easier for him to understand other people which will help him feel like he belongs. The more he feels like he belongs, the better he will feel doing social things. If the emotional benefits of socializing exceed the drawbacks (emotional distress), he will choose to do social things on his own without needing anyone to motivate him.
 
@Homulilly

A good fit as a parent...hmm.... Often I feel like that. But I don't think it's because I am specifically NT. Each person with ASD is different. If there was a how too book and all ASDs were the same you can bet I would read it 12x over to be sure I am the perfect parent to him. But that isn't reality. He is very challenging to deal with due to his comorbidities. His ADD has improved if not pretty much vanished. But his anxiety and depression have skyrocketed.

anxiety and depression - yup what you said seems to be how he is from what we can interpret. My wife and I are both fixers. We like to help people. Our parents generation were criticizing and judgemental. So we aren't and try to help and reduce his stress by saying it will be alright. But just like you pointed our we recently learned it is doing exactly what you are saying. He expressed it as such indirectly. Then I spoke to a very well educated close friend about what my son expressed and he explained what you said. Instead of doing what we do we should validate his feelings and not try and be the fixer and say it's all going to be ok. I interpreted it as acting more like a psychologist not a parent. He has an NT child serious mental illness so we talk. We both read.

medication - We don't keep pumping him full of drugs when there is a problem. We do everythign else first. It is the last step. He did need ADD medication since 3rd grade. Now the ADD seems to have been cured or at least compensated enough for that he doesn't need it. But my wife's side of the family has major depression disorder. My brilliant wife would be on disability if it wasn't for her SNRI. Now at 14 it manifested in him it seems.

Out of the house - Sitting in a dark room 24/7 is unhealthy for a human. There is a significant difference between when school is in session and when it is summer with his mood and being outside. But he has been doing a better job at going on walks with me.

He has online friends. He deals with the not so nice ones ok. He isn't getting in trouble.

He has real friends too. Really only 1 that I encourage him to put effort in the relationship.

Taking a way privileges is a very delicate business. As parents we have to figure out when a child is doing something out of spite or if it is something else. 99% of the time we use natural consequences. You broke it out of anger? You pay for it or you are going to help me fix it or you can't use it again. We discovered early punishment doesn't work. Reward rarely works with him too.

You good. Thanks for validating the depression-anxiety thing. That was an important paragraph for me.
 
@Matthias

I disagree with you about his situation. His issues are very biological. It runs in my wife's family. He is a clone of her. His SSRI only started ~15 months ago when living in our home was unbearable. We were walking on eggshells 100% of the time. All the lights had to be turned off, all doors closed, if he walked we had to get out of his way or risking being shoved. Every response was a yell or aggression at us. If we bothered him we got snapped at.

We don't yell at him or hit him. We are as caring as possible realizing his mental health and learning all the time.

14 is when major mental issues begin to appear. His school work he does easily. Even he has told us that isn't the issue. He has had behavior therapy for many years which taught him a lot of social skills. He interacts just fine. You can't tell he has ASD until his anxiety goes up.

We are putting him in a new private school that has 4 students per teacher instead of 32. Great reviews. We will be tight for 3 years but it is better for him than the 3,000 kid overloaded school he is in now. We moved to a very good county that has one of the best school systems in the nation and a lot of support for ASD... but it is not good enough for his situation. Luckily our home is paid and this school with scholarships will only cost us at most $20k a year. We are so fortunate we have found this new school that offers advanced classes and works worth ASD kids but it isn't an ASD school.

All these posts really help me in one way or another. I thank you for all your time.
 
@The Lorax
Regardless of your son's genes or biology, learning what causes emotions and how to regulate them is a skill that everyone can benefit from learning. I responded to your post because I used to have similar problems as your son and improving my emotional intelligence with information I learned from books and websites helped more than everything else combined.

Benefits of improving emotional intelligence:
The Importance of Emotional Intelligence (Including EI Quotes)

Behavior therapists often use rewards and punishment to change behavior while neglecting/ignoring the emotions that cause it. While psychotherapists understand that people act based on their emotions, talk therapy is often harmful for people with autism because many therapists don't understand emotions very well which results in misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and trust issues that make talk therapy a difficult and frustrating experience. Drugs can worsen emotional problems over the long-term by covering up problems instead of resolving them and reinforcing people's beliefs that they are defective and need drugs to act normally which is psychologically damaging.
 
@The Lorax
Regardless of your son's genes or biology, learning what causes emotions and how to regulate them is a skill that everyone can benefit from learning. I responded to your post because I used to have similar problems as your son and improving my emotional intelligence with information I learned from books and websites helped more than everything else combined.

Benefits of improving emotional intelligence:
The Importance of Emotional Intelligence (Including EI Quotes)

Behavior therapists often use rewards and punishment to change behavior while neglecting/ignoring the emotions that cause it. While psychotherapists understand that people act based on their emotions, talk therapy is often harmful for people with autism because many therapists don't understand emotions very well which results in misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and trust issues that make talk therapy a difficult and frustrating experience. Drugs can worsen emotional problems over the long-term by covering up problems instead of resolving them and reinforcing people's beliefs that they are defective and need drugs to act normally which is psychologically damaging.


Yea we are going to try dialectic behavior therapy for him. But it is so expensive. I am just waiting till school is over because he is so out of sorts. Also we need to get his Abilify to the proper dose. It seems to be working. Luckily he shares with us his feelings now at 15 when he is calm and it is the next day.

I want him to get training on how to calm himself down using methods. One step at a time.

BTW I never take offense to anyone replying. I am so grateful people answer what I post. The forum has helped immensely understanding him and what is going on. It has also been therapy for me talking to people.

And I 100% agree that NT doctors have no clue of the lives of autistic people. Even me being with my wife for 22 years and my son 15 I am still learning new things. Also as an NT I have to constantly change my thinking when a situation happens realizing that he is not NT. Often what I thought was a reason for something was completely different that it was.

Like he might have a meltdown for situation A when really it is situation B that I can't even conceive of being upset for and the obvious solution if "dad can you help me" which he doesn't ask for.
 
Yea we are going to try dialectic behavior therapy for him. But it is so expensive.

The videos I linked to on emotions at Emotions and Feelings • Schema Therapy Online are free to watch and should be very helpful. They explain how emotions are signals that represent important needs in a way similar to hunger being a signal that a person needs food. While suppressing emotions, taking medicines to control them, or using coping techniques (such as deep breathing, distraction, etc.) to lessen the intensity of emotions may be beneficial in the short-term, the unmet needs signaled by those emotions will remain, continue to have harmful effects, and often create additional problems that can result in people meeting the criteria for a variety of mental health disorders.

I used to think emotions were too difficult to understand and found them so stressful that I didn't want to think about them. After improving my emotional intelligence, I no longer have much difficulty understanding my emotions and rarely have to use any coping techniques because I don't experience much emotional distress. Improving my emotional intelligence also made it much easier to understand other people.

Some helpful things I learned
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People often experience different emotions in response to the same event because emotions are strongly influenced by beliefs and thinking patterns. People with mental health problems usually experience more stress and less pleasure because they interpret what happens to them more negatively than most people as a result of a habit of thinking negatively (often involving common cognitive distortions) and having formed more negative beliefs about themselves and other people.

Trying to change emotional reactions to situations when they occur is often impossible (since emotions frequently occur automatically before people can process the situation) which often results in people incorrectly concluding that they can't control their emotions (thereby reinforcing negative perceptions of themselves). The key to changing emotional reactions in many situations is to change the beliefs that influence them before those situations occur which generally involves forming more positive beliefs about themselves and other people as well as developing a habit of thinking positively.

In general:
Stimuli + negative belief or thought about it = "Negative emotions" such as sadness, frustration, fear, or anger
Stimuli + neutral belief or thought about it = no emotional response
Stimuli + positive belief or thought about it = Positive emotions that help people feel better

While thinking positively most of the time is helpful, negativity can be beneficial in some situations (by improving emotional state in the future) as long as the beliefs that influence emotions are accurate:
Sadness helps people realize what's important so they can focus on what helps them feel better
Frustration helps people give up and focus their attention elsewhere when something is impossible to achieve
Fear helps people avoid danger
Anger helps people stand up for themselves
Embarrassment signals the need to make changes to avoid being rejected later
 
@The Lorax

I just found something I think you should read in an unexpected place:
Former "Gifted" Kids Are Sharing The Effect It's Had On Their Lives, And It's Actually Super Sad

Buzzfeed is not usually a reliable source for anything, and their editing is terrible, so it's a very strange source for something like this .... but a lot of these scenarios ring true. There are several important messages in there for you. Don't skip over the parts that point out the severely negative consequences of being too young or emotionally immature compared to schoolmates.

Also a couple of things I would have included if I'd wanted to make another post in this thread earlier:
  1. You're not communicating well with your son. He probably doesn't trust you at this point.
  2. You seem surprised that your son's behavior changed in his early teens (presumably coincident with the onset of puberty). As you described it, it sounds like you were controlling rather than supportive (though I can't be sure - not enough data in your posts).
 
I forwarded him the video link. I told him each one he watches I will pay him $10. He asked how long are they? I said about 20m each. He said WOW 3x minimum wage.... then never watched them. *FACEPALM*

My son told me recently "I am so glad I have a father as wise as you" which floored me. I don't try and control him. But certain things are expected. I also have to measure them with care to see if it is mental illness or defiance just for the sake of it. He shares his feelings when he is able to. His behavior did change with puberty with being more of a teenager but other things were directly mental illness and how he thinks.

He eats well, salads, proteins, no snacking, but has ice cream on the weekend. I reward him for doing things. Like he is bored with all his classes. He hasn't gone in a month but this is due to his neurology changing the last 6 months to the point he now has major depressive disorder. He finally snapped and didn't want to go to school as it was too overwhelming and the classes boring. He is in advance classes. I looked at the work. it is boring. An example. He has keyboard for which he is bored. He had these 5 songs + 1 final to do. I couldn't get him doing with logic. So I said "ok I will buy you sushi if you do 2, double sushi if you do 4, and ice cream if you do the final"...... He says "Ice cream? Dad you brainwashed me not to eat too much ice cream so I don't get fat. So no I won't want it". I shrugged. He learned all 6 songs in 20m and played them all. I recorded it for the teacher and sent it to her. I did explain he had to at least do the final or it was an auto fail of the class which is a fine arts requirement. I explained he would have to repeat it. He had been taking piano lessons for 2 years and was far ahead of the class.

Recently we tried Abilify (aripiprazole) which worked to remove the sadness and it brought back the happy child. But it had bad side effects. Took about 2 weeks to play it through. Now he is trying Lamictal (Lamotrigine) for his sadness. We are incredibly fortunate medication works on him almost immediately. Within hour or just a couple days a difference is noticed. It is just in time for finals. Luckily with this med side effects show up in about 2 weeks so even if it causes side effects he will use it past his final.

Abilify stabilizes the 3 big neurotransmitters.
Lamictal lowers glutamate interactions in the brain so synapses don't exchange as often. At least that is what I understand from reading it. Due to the mind of ASD people having basically too many connections overloading them leading to other issues this will slow his brain down so he can think. If I interpreted the drug correctly.

Basically how I read autism and sensory issues work is this as a rough example. I know it is different for everyone....
If I am NT and you talk to me loud I hear 1 voice. Yea it is loud but I can understand you.
If I am ASD and you talk to me loud I hear 26 loud voices overlapping which makes it hard to understand and very loud in my head.

The Lamictal helps reduce the number of voices you hear back down to 1.

I try to be my son's executive function. I remind him of assignments. I offer help. I just keep him on a certain sleep schedule because he needs 10 hours. He can have any friend over, go anywhere, ask for anything which he rarely does. I don't tell him what to watch, who to play with, or what to do.

Take a topic like pornography. I turn it off at the router level. I explain to him why. It is because what you see in these videos is not real love or real sex. If you watch too many of these you will have a much higher expectation of girlfriend than is realistic. Watching porn also reduces gray matter and I know you believe your brain is your greatest asset. Today's porn is... well it is beyond reality. So I went to go buy him a playboy subscription. Lovely women posing, no problem. But I found out Playboy no longer has paper magazines and they no longer have naked women?! Well turns out he didn't want it anyways. He snuck porn for maybe a month then didn't watch it anymore. I have a router so I can see where he is going on the internet.

My parents got me a subscription when I was his age. It was meditative and relaxing. I thought it would be for him.

Anyways the Abilify, and now the Lamictal removed the depression, anxiety, and placed back the happiness. He went for walks with me voluntarily. Got off the computer at 9pm on his own, went to bed on his own, started singing to himself again, was happy again.

Now this today and next week is the big if. Can I get him to school for his finals. He wants to go.

On a side note. The school said if he doesn't take the finals he auto-fails the classes because he has missed too many days this quarter..... DESPITE his grades being this for each quarter and each class and midterm.

A, B, A(midterm), A, B, (final?) ......

They will not budge due to our state's law.

So I said..... Ok so here we have a child that you all acknowledge is brilliant. He reads/writes as an adult. He is doing advanced math in his sleep. He passed the AICE exam for his science. That you acknowledge has mental illness. Alone on GPA even if he got an "F" in the final he fails the year?

How the hell is that different than him sitting in class with his hands over his ears suffering doing nothing for 30 days learning nothing?

What if he was the top student in your school that by chance got hit by a car and was in a come for May and June missing 30 days + finals? Would you make him repeat the year?

I am pretty certain my son will do his finals and easily pass them. But I am prepared to fight if the school system pulls this crap. But I will fight them legally if I have to.
 
And tonight he put another large hole in his bedroom wall when I asked him to brush his teeth now because he hadn't done it 2 nights in a row.
 
I forwarded him the video link. I told him each one he watches I will pay him $10. He asked how long are they? I said about 20m each. He said WOW 3x minimum wage.... then never watched them. *FACEPALM*

I think many people in his situation would have responded the same way. People who are struggling often avoid dealing with their emotions because it's very stressful and they want to avoid feeling worse. Also, since he's smart, he may think there isn't much he can learn. I think he'd rather you watch the videos and use what you learn to help him.

My son told me recently "I am so glad I have a father as wise as you" which floored me. I don't try and control him. But certain things are expected. I also have to measure them with care to see if it is mental illness or defiance just for the sake of it. He shares his feelings when he is able to. His behavior did change with puberty with being more of a teenager but other things were directly mental illness and how he thinks.

He eats well, salads, proteins, no snacking, but has ice cream on the weekend. I reward him for doing things. Like he is bored with all his classes. He hasn't gone in a month but this is due to his neurology changing the last 6 months to the point he now has major depressive disorder. He finally snapped and didn't want to go to school as it was too overwhelming and the classes boring. He is in advance classes. I looked at the work. it is boring. An example. He has keyboard for which he is bored. He had these 5 songs + 1 final to do. I couldn't get him doing with logic. So I said "ok I will buy you sushi if you do 2, double sushi if you do 4, and ice cream if you do the final"...... He says "Ice cream? Dad you brainwashed me not to eat too much ice cream so I don't get fat. So no I won't want it". I shrugged. He learned all 6 songs in 20m and played them all. I recorded it for the teacher and sent it to her. I did explain he had to at least do the final or it was an auto fail of the class which is a fine arts requirement. I explained he would have to repeat it. He had been taking piano lessons for 2 years and was far ahead of the class.

Recently we tried Abilify (aripiprazole) which worked to remove the sadness and it brought back the happy child. But it had bad side effects. Took about 2 weeks to play it through. Now he is trying Lamictal (Lamotrigine) for his sadness. We are incredibly fortunate medication works on him almost immediately. Within hour or just a couple days a difference is noticed. It is just in time for finals. Luckily with this med side effects show up in about 2 weeks so even if it causes side effects he will use it past his final

Abilify stabilizes the 3 big neurotransmitters.
Lamictal lowers glutamate interactions in the brain so synapses don't exchange as often. At least that is what I understand from reading it. Due to the mind of ASD people having basically too many connections overloading them leading to other issues this will slow his brain down so he can think. If I interpreted the drug correctly.

The need for stronger relationships with peers increases when people become adolescents. When important needs aren't met, people often become distressed or depressed and stop caring about lesser needs. If you remind him of less important needs (such as schoolwork) that he's already aware of instead of helping him with more important needs (which I realize is more difficult), the message he will get is that you don't understand him which probably results in him feeling more alone.

Basically how I read autism and sensory issues work is this as a rough example. I know it is different for everyone....
If I am NT and you talk to me loud I hear 1 voice. Yea it is loud but I can understand you.
If I am ASD and you talk to me loud I hear 26 loud voices overlapping which makes it hard to understand and very loud in my head.

The Lamictal helps reduce the number of voices you hear back down to 1.

I try to be my son's executive function. I remind him of assignments. I offer help. I just keep him on a certain sleep schedule because he needs 10 hours. He can have any friend over, go anywhere, ask for anything which he rarely does. I don't tell him what to watch, who to play with, or what to do.

Take a topic like pornography. I turn it off at the router level. I explain to him why. It is because what you see in these videos is not real love or real sex. If you watch too many of these you will have a much higher expectation of girlfriend than is realistic. Watching porn also reduces gray matter and I know you believe your brain is your greatest asset. Today's porn is... well it is beyond reality. So I went to go buy him a playboy subscription. Lovely women posing, no problem. But I found out Playboy no longer has paper magazines and they no longer have naked women?! Well turns out he didn't want it anyways. He snuck porn for maybe a month then didn't watch it anymore. I have a router so I can see where he is going on the internet.

My parents got me a subscription when I was his age. It was meditative and relaxing. I thought it would be for him.

Anyways the Abilify, and now the Lamictal removed the depression, anxiety, and placed back the happiness. He went for walks with me voluntarily. Got off the computer at 9pm on his own, went to bed on his own, started singing to himself again, was happy again.

Now this today and next week is the big if. Can I get him to school for his finals. He wants to go.

On a side note. The school said if he doesn't take the finals he auto-fails the classes because he has missed too many days this quarter..... DESPITE his grades being this for each quarter and each class and midterm.

A, B, A(midterm), A, B, (final?) ......

They will not budge due to our state's law.

So I said..... Ok so here we have a child that you all acknowledge is brilliant. He reads/writes as an adult. He is doing advanced math in his sleep. He passed the AICE exam for his science. That you acknowledge has mental illness. Alone on GPA even if he got an "F" in the final he fails the year?

How the hell is that different than him sitting in class with his hands over his ears suffering doing nothing for 30 days learning nothing?

What if he was the top student in your school that by chance got hit by a car and was in a come for May and June missing 30 days + finals? Would you make him repeat the year?

I am pretty certain my son will do his finals and easily pass them. But I am prepared to fight if the school system pulls this crap. But I will fight them legally if I have to.

I'm glad the medicine helped and hope he'll go to school for his finals. I see how it sounds unfair to fail him if he doesn't go since he knows the material.
 

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