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Is it Just Me...(lesser known/discussed ASD traits)

jleeb05

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Hi all,

This is my first time posting. I'm a little less than three weeks away from beginning my ASD assessment. As a kid, it was assumed by me, my therapist, and my family that I had Asperger's but I was never officially assessed or diagnosed. While there are many reasons for this assumption, as I grew up, there were certain things about the prevailing "archetype" of an aspie, with which I absolutely did not relate. As a result, I assumed that our initial assumption was wrong.

Recent events in my life made me wonder whether we were right all along and prompted me to get an assessment. When taking online tests, I usually get a "borderline" result but from what I've read, many people acknowledge that there is a lot more nuisance to ASD/Asperger's than when I was growing up.

So I was wondering if anyone related to some of these traits/habits, that may go against the usual ASD profile, or if it's just me?

1) High Empathy and high emotional intelligence- This is the number one reason I decided I did not have ASD. When I was young, I read that Aspies lacked empathy. However, I consider empathy to be one of my strongest traits and I believe that I am also high in emotional intelligence. Though I have, at times, been called "cold/aloof/mean," I feel that I can usually express my empathy effectively.

I've certainly had my share of painful and embarrassing social experiences and I may have learned from them. While I can be uncomfortable and rigid in certain settings, I feel that I pick up on social cues fairly well. I know other aspies who seem much more oblivious when someone is annoyed or angry with them. Given that this is typically seen as a defining trait of aspies, I don't know if I have learned/compensated/masked my lack of innate understanding or if this means I don't have ASD.

2) Empathic embarrassment-One reason I think may sometimes come across as lacking empathy is because I have very high levels of "empathic embarrassment." I only recently learned of this term but it was a light bulb moment. I remember one occasion, in which someone fell off their bike in front of me. I thought it would be more embarrassing for them if I ran up to them and asked if they needed help so I turned the other way and pretended that I didn't see them. Looking back I can see how someone might see this and conclude that I lacked empathy but the truth is, I felt their embarrassment and didn't want to make it worse. This even gets in the way of me enjoying something like a comedy stand-up routine. I often can't watch them because I'm so afraid that the comic will tell a bad joke and be embarrassed.

3) "object blindness/invisibility"-I'm not sure what to call this but I can walk by something for weeks and not notice it. When I'm cleaning my room, I sometimes take photos so I can see what's out of place. Sometimes it is easier for me to notice that random sock on the floor when it's in a photo as opposed to when it's right in front of my face.

This also seems to relate to how I see myself and my body. I sometimes miss the fact that my collar is up, or my zipper is down. I may gain or lose weight and not notice until it's pointed out to me. I've read that aspies tend to be detail-oriented but I'm not sure this is the case for me.

4) Volcanic Temper- People see me as very laidback and mellow. I usually am (at least on the surface). People have actually asked me why I never express anger. That said, I have had several instances of absolutely volcanic eruptions of anger. These occasions have resulted in me screaming, throwing, breaking, etc. It's terrifying for me and everyone involved. I've read about meltdowns and it felt like an epiphany. I've never quite understood why these incidents happened but now realize they may be triggered by sensory or social overload, usually after having bottled up my discomfort for too long.

5) People/Romantic Relationships as "special interest"-Growing up, I've certainly had special interests (US Presidents, Greek Mythology, Roman emperors, gerbils). However, I don't think I've fixated on anything more than my "love interests." This culminated in me being accused of stalking my crush in 8th grade. My obsessiveness over people and romance has dissipated somewhat but I still spend a significant amount of time on dating apps/websites. Despite this, I only recently had my first boyfriend (I'm in my 30s). Has anyone else has special interests that revolved around people or social relationships?

I could go on but in the interest of brevity, I will stop there. I'm curious if anyone else has had experience with one, some, or all of these.
 
Welcome.


That’s a comprehensive list and it’d be good to present it to an experienced neuropsych &/or assessment professional.
 
Welcome! Hopefully the assessment gives you some answers and ideas moving forward, whatever the results may be.
 
Hi there and welcome! So while this in no way replaces a professional assessment, I can relate to several things on your list:

3 - while I pick up on details very well when I am focussed on a topic, if I'm not its almost a joke. Example this morning: me, stepping over the dog in the kitchen to my wife "have you seen the dog?" and dont get me started on the socks, my wife sends me pics of where I have left them and not noticed *lol*

4 Volcanic temper - check. Anxiety during social interactions, sensory overload easily lead to meltdowns that seem like angry eruptions. Mindfullness and stoic reading has helped.

5. People as a special interest - I have been fascinated by human behavior for years, studied behavior in general and specifically anthropology. Not so much romantic relatioships specifically though.

As far as 1&2 go - there are many of us on here who are a case in point that this aspect is often a bit of a cliche when it comes to ASD. Especially women on the spectrum present / are often more empathetic than the standard view of ASD would suggest.

Happy reading and discussing on the forum!
 
I too have been told I'm chilled out, but under the surface I'm about to erupt.

Empathy is a weird one for me. I think it's easiest to say "I feel too much" but in recent years I've been trying to force myself not to care - because being moved emotionally every time you encounter other people's problems, and feeling instinctively like I want to forgo my own needs and wants to help others isn't healthy. Then again - shutting down and forcing myself to not care isn't healthy either.

I guess balance is important in life - and it's something I'm rarely capable of.

Ed
 
I believe most folks on this forum are quite aware of the neurodiversity found within the autistic community. Researchers have identified several types of autism. So it is with the Asperger's phenotypes. Notice I said phenotypes,...pleural. We can all sit at the computer and pull up scientific journal articles and watch scientific lectures on YouTube, and get a sense of what it means to be autistic,...but not all of these findings may apply to all of us,...it is more of a some findings in some of us situation.

If you are in a situation where you can obtain a battery of comprehensive cognitive performance tests and a fairly intense interview process,...you might have some better answers. If you are one of the lucky few that have access to a university-based autism research center, they often offer functional MRI scans that can highlight how your brain works. Keep in mind, a significant amount of autistic behavior (symptoms) is due to anatomical and cellular functional causes.

At this point, it is good to be introspective and ask these questions. I would also suggest writing down a long list of why you think you might be autistic,...and why you think you might not be autistic,...and let the psychologist sort it out. Hopefully, this psychologist is well-versed in diagnosing adults with autism,...as we have had years of practice masking, potentially not recognizing, or even denying all of our symptoms.
 
Welcome.


That’s a comprehensive list and it’d be good to present it to an experienced neuropsych &/or assessment professional.

I definitely plan to go through with the assessment. At the intake, I was told "I can see why you would come to us." So I guess that means they think it's at least possible. But I find it interesting that ASD could explain a lot of behaviors/traits that I didn't necessarily associate with autism.
 
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Hi there and welcome! So while this in no way replaces a professional assessment, I can relate to several things on your list:

3 - while I pick up on details very well when I am focussed on a topic, if I'm not its almost a joke. Example this morning: me, stepping over the dog in the kitchen to my wife "have you seen the dog?" and dont get me started on the socks, my wife sends me pics of where I have left them and not noticed *lol*

4 Volcanic temper - check. Anxiety during social interactions, sensory overload easily lead to meltdowns that seem like angry eruptions. Mindfullness and stoic reading has helped.

5. People as a special interest - I have been fascinated by human behavior for years, studied behavior in general and specifically anthropology. Not so much romantic relatioships specifically though.

As far as 1&2 go - there are many of us on here who are a case in point that this aspect is often a bit of a cliche when it comes to ASD. Especially women on the spectrum present / are often more empathetic than the standard view of ASD would suggest.

Happy reading and discussing on the forum!

I actually majored in psychology as an undergrad because of my interest in understanding people. I sometimes wonder if this is has helped me "mask" my lack of innate social understanding.

I guess my focus also depends on my interest in a topic. I feel like I'm much more likely to notice small when it comes to external environments or people than in myself or my home environment.

It's funny you should mention women on the spectrum. The clinician doing my intake mentioned that women sometimes present differently than men. I am a cis male and she didn't explain why she mentioned this but I think she may have seen some parallels between my experience and those of women on the spectrum.
 
I too have been told I'm chilled out, but under the surface I'm about to erupt.

Empathy is a weird one for me. I think it's easiest to say "I feel too much" but in recent years I've been trying to force myself not to care - because being moved emotionally every time you encounter other people's problems, and feeling instinctively like I want to forgo my own needs and wants to help others isn't healthy. Then again - shutting down and forcing myself to not care isn't healthy either.

I guess balance is important in life - and it's something I'm rarely capable of.

Ed

It is hard to find that balance sometimes. I definitely feel that I can absorb people's emotions and twist myself in knots to figure out what they want. I recently realized that it's often hard for me to separate my own "wants/desires" from another person. For example, if someone asks me to go to a club, I sometimes can't decide if I really want to go, or if I only want to go because they want to go and I don't want to disappoint them.

For me, I think it helps to have some time and space to work through what I'm feeling and to separate it from those around me.
 
I have never had that much confidence in the so called soft sciences.

Agree. That is why I am hopeful that someday soon autism diagnosis will not be made in the psychologist's office, but rather in the neurologist's office after a series of functional MRI studies and cognitive performance tests. I am sure there will be some role for psychology and psychiatry, but only after looking at the brain as a functional organ, like the heart, the kidneys, etc. Perhaps then, there will be less social stigma, more health insurance coverage, etc.
 
My mother had very empathic tendencies, I thing I inherited some of this from her. Dad was very bright, temper inherited that from him. Niether one was an Aspie.
 
The dog in your avatar is super cute. Is it yours? What breed or mix?
Thank you! She is mine. She's a Chihuahua/ Mini Pinscher mix.
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Beautiful girl! I few of us here have Chis/Chi mixes. Clg114 has 3 and I have 4 girls. There may be others. Wonderful dogs. Dogs, Cats and pets/animals in general are very popular on the forum. :)
 
Beautiful girl! I few of us here have Chis/Chi mixes. Clg114 has 3 and I have 4 girls. There may be others. Wonderful dogs. Dogs, Cats and pets/animals in general are very popular on the forum. :)
Wow, they must keep you busy. I had a dog when I was a kid but Pia is my first since then. I didn't think I'd be partial to small dogs but she's got the sweetest personality and a ton of energy.

I also now have my first cat. I kind of expected the stereotypical aloof, cold persona but he's surprisingly affectionate. I got him to keep the dog company while I was at work but now I'm working from home and they both follow me around everywhere haha.

I'm not surprised that animals are popular on this forum. I find them so much easier to understand than people :laughing:
 
Wow, they must keep you busy. I had a dog when I was a kid but Pia is my first since then. I didn't think I'd be partial to small dogs but she's got the sweetest personality and a ton of energy.

I also now have my first cat. I kind of expected the stereotypical aloof, cold persona but he's surprisingly affectionate. I got him to keep the dog company while I was at work but now I'm working from home and they both follow me around everywhere haha.

I'm not surprised that animals are popular on this forum. I find them so much easier to understand than people :laughing:

Yes, they do, they really do. Talk about having followers. :D I also always thought I would get a lab or retriever once I retired from the military and was in more stable settings. But my wife came home one day around Christmas said she had something to tell me and proceded to uncover a Chihuahua puppy she was secretly holding inside her coat... And now I'm a fanatic fan of the breed. But I think I could be that way with any breed really. They are all great.

Thats interesting you chose a cat as the companion. They get along well? Was the cat a kitten or adult when you brought it home?

My only pet as a child was a youngish stray cat I was secretly feeding leftovers, that my parents allowed me to take in after it had a litter in our garage. Amazing cat that was, and became the family favorite for the next 16 years. But finding homes for 7 kittens was nerve wracking. I was down to the last two and they were almost no longer kittens. A older lady down the street finally said she would take one. My Mom was so deviously clever. She but them both in a basket with a blanket and told me to take them both to her, and tell her to pick which one she wanted, but also to mention the other would then be taken to the animal pound. She took them both. :D
 

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