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I think I have asperger's, would like some input, and advice with getting a diagnosis.

Rin

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Hello. I feel very frustrated and alone right now, and would like someone to listen to my concerns.

Some days ago, I took this autism test at the request of my boyfriend. I got a score of 39. I dismissed it, assuming it to be because of my introverted traits. He said even so, it's not normal to have a score that high and said "why do you think I suggested you take it?", implying he suspected it. I then took this aspie quiz and my neurodiverse score was 174/200. I also got a 15 on this test. Still, I tried to brush it off, thinking it was just a coincidence. I believe that is because I had the image of autistic to be very extreme, I did not fit the stereotype nor was I similar to any autistic people I knew, so I thought that surely it wasn't the case.

But, out of curiosity I began to read about it and quickly realized the image I had in my mind was not necessarily what it had to be like. I found that I fit most, or entire lists, of asperger's traits on multiple websites. I could brush off a few things, but when I was fitting the entire description on some sources? It began to concern me.

I put together a long list of traits I fit, but here are a few off the top of my head.

  • Echolalia. I will often hear or read phrases and repeat them, over and over, for months and even years at a time. I'll say them perhaps daily or sometimes several times a day in my interactions with other people. These are not normal quotes which particularly fit into the conversation, either. Not just that but when no one is around I will say some random phrases, just to myself, and I have been saying the same couple ones for some years now. They don't even mean anything to me, I just heard them once and feel an urge to repeat them without thinking.
  • I have oddly specific obsessions. For example, extremely specific and obscure genres of music. Reptiles also - at a point all I did was read about ball pythons for hours every single day, for months.
  • I don't understand social cues. I am told I often say cold/blunt/rude or impolite things. I am described as "a little too honest" and that I've always said "exactly what's on my mind". I am told I often talk about inappropriate topics, and in inappropriate company. But this is not my intention nor am I aware when I do it. However, even when these things are explained to me, I don't understand. I have had arguments with my friends about this. I say that I don't understand how what I said or did was wrong even when they spell it out for me. I feel like I don't get society's "rules" for interaction, and that I am never on the same wavelength as anyone. I often feel like I may as well be speaking another language. They then tell me there are no rules, it's just common sense.
  • I get fixated on certain topics and don't stop obsessing over them. For example since I was a toddler I have always loved reptiles. I have always loved collecting information about them and can talk about them nonstop. I never get tired of it. Because of this I end up having a lot of one-sided conversations where I don't realize the other person is bored or uninterested until they tell me so. I also repeat myself quite a bit.
  • I hate change. I like to always do things the same way over and over again. I like things to be predictable and I feel upset when my routine is messed up - for example, people coming over uninvited, or being aware of plans the day before or day of. I can listen to the same song for several hours each day, many days in a row and still enjoy it. I can eat the same meal many times over a short period of time and not get sick of it. I repeat the same phrase, or watch the same video, or do the same thing over and over and it never gets old. I always order the same things at restaurants, and only ever want to visit the same old places, I rarely try anything new.
  • I can't understand people's intentions or feelings most of the time. I am often taken by surprise at people's reactions to what I say or do, and even when explained to me it doesn't make sense. I care if someone is sad or upset of course, but I can't understand why they are even if they explain it, because I have trouble putting myself in their position. People explain to me how my actions offend or upset others, but I don't understand, so I can come off as cold and uncaring because I don't connect with why they feel that way.
  • I can't read body language, expressions, or tone of voice very well. I can't seem to keep a conversation going, I am very bad at chitchat. In my mind rather than listening to the other person I have to think in my head "what do I say next?" because the conversation won't flow naturally. I have to keep thinking of a topic or question. I can't seem to read between the lines and take most things literally, not understanding figures of speech. I am always the last to get a joke if I ever get it at all, and my humor itself can be very weird, and unconventional. Lots of times when I try to make a joke people take me seriously because apparently I "say it with a straight face and in a serious tone". I never can seem to time when it is my turn to speak and often times people will go quiet for several seconds before addressing me to say something, or I'll accidentally talk over them, especially is the case on the phone.
  • I cannot process verbal instructions. If someone tells me a list of things to do, I will only process one of those things. I can't remember things unless they write them down for me in a specific list or constantly remind me as I complete each task. Also I don't do well without very specific instructions. For example instead of "clean your room" I feel like I don't know where to start. But if they say "put these clothes in the basket, put all of your papers in this drawer" I can work with that.
  • I can't read analog clocks very well, it takes me a little while.
  • I spin and pace in circles very often.
  • It is not uncommon for me to daydream for hours.
  • I don't mean to but I have been accused of staring, and I find myself doing it a lot by accident.
  • I cannot make or maintain eye contact.
  • I have trouble recognizing or remembering people's faces right away, even close friends or family members.
  • I am a very picky eater. I can't stand certain tastes or even if I like the taste of the food, if the texture puts me off I can't stand it. For example I don't eat marshmallows or yogurt because of that. I can't deal with too hot or too cold food either, and am very sensitive to it even if others can eat it just fine. I can't stand the texture of clothes against me. I notice this even from when I was a child and refused to wear tights, certain types of socks or shoes. I cut the tags off most of my clothes, dress for comfort and sleep naked. I find a lot of clothes uncomfortable which most people don't. I am particular about the lighting in my room and dislike fluorescent lights.
  • I find that I do things with my hands very often as a form of stimulation, both when excited or anxious.
  • I have routines I must follow even though I know I have no need to. For example I will go through my entire room several times a day to make sure everything is in the right spot. Even areas I have not touched so nothing would have moved. I always triple-check everything, so I may do this routine multiple times in a row. In school before every class I would empty my bag, put everything back in after making sure I had it all, then do it again. I would do this before and after every single class.
  • I am not social at all. I have two close friends but I don't care to try and make more friends because I have such a hard time connecting with people. I also feel physically exhausted even after hanging out with them for only one day, even just a few hours. I need at least a week to recharge and don't like to interact with them in any way until I have recharged. I have severe social phobia and anxiety, many times when I'm hanging out with them I'll go into the bathroom and cry because I just need to get away from the crowd and unfamiliar places and sensations. I hate crowds! I used to have panic attacks after being away from home for only thirty minutes because I was used to being in my room where I felt safe and like I could be myself. Just interacting with my friends drains me completely even if we're just hanging out casually, and I greatly value my alone time. I spend most of my time alone in my room away from others. I prefer solitary activities.
  • I am very clumsy, I trip, drop things, and run into things often. I have no spatial awareness. I am also told I walk and run in an odd way.
  • I don't talk much, I was always the "shy" or "quiet" one. I feel this is because I can't connect well with others. When I get frustrated like no one understands me, I just shut down by becoming completely expressionless and quiet. But if it's a topic I like, I become too talkative and dominate the conversation.
  • Even as a child I abhorred any type of cuddling or affection. I wouldn't let anyone touch me or get near me. Now I am okay with doing that with my boyfriend or two close friends (no one else), but it's still uncomfortable, and I am not used to more intimate forms of affection, nor am I good at reciprocating it. When people hug me, I stand there doing nothing blankly for a few seconds before I realize, "oh, I should hug them back". But it doesn't feel natural. I do crave affection but when I am given it, I always feel awkward.
  • As a child and even young adult I was incredibly gullible and trusting of everyone. I couldn't believe anyone could lie or why they would, so I believed everything everyone said and took it all at face value. A lot of times people would say something as joke, not seriously, but I would not realize it was a joke and take it seriously. Or figures of speech. When my dad said it "cost a million bucks in gas!" to drive to California on one road trip, despite being very logical I believed that it really did cost that much and did not second guess it despite being old enough to know better. Things like that happened all the time.
  • I notice a lot of small details - pattern of tiles, license plate numbers. Though at the same time I can be very unobservant, like if someone is staring at me. I also have trouble noticing romantic advances, people will tell me "he was flirting with you!" when I think I am just having a normal, friendly reaction with someone. I notice a lot of signs when I am in the car and unintentionally read a lot of them out loud. I'm not good at memorizing numbers or dates, however.
  • I speak very quietly, I can't seem to get the volume of my voice just right. I also talk very fast, especially when excited. I get jokes like "was that even English?" because I sometimes talk so fast. I also often say things in an unfitting tone or inflection. I have a deadpan expression a lot of the time, and a monotone voice. Not always, but in situations where I am not entirely comfortable this is the norm.
  • I frequently get so strongly absorbed in things I don't notice anything around me or how much time has passed, but at the same time have a very difficult time filtering out background noises if I'm not focused on something yet. I can't listen to more than one conversation at once, which makes hanging out with multiple people very hard for me.
  • I never used to care about my hair or makeup until just a couple years ago when my mom made a comment saying "you would look cute if you wore makeup". Then, it became an obsessive thing for her approval rather than because I wanted to do it. I hate the feeling of makeup on me, so I wear very little. Up until my late teens I never fixed my hair, coordinated my outfits, or cared about my appearance at all.
  • I become mentally and physically exhausted even after doing things that most people do every day without problem - typical daily expectations are overwhelming for me.
  • Ever since I was young my mother noticed my sensitivity to the sound of the radio in the car, and other such things. I often notice small sounds that others do not and they greatly annoy and distract me.
That list got a bit longer than I meant it to, but this is not even all of it.

What at first I dismissed as not even a possibility, I am almost convinced of now. The more I read about it, the more is confirmed for me.

I would really like some peace of mind however, and am interested in seeking a professional diagnosis. But I am 21, an adult already and female so I know a lot of the traits are different in me than they would be in a male. I also am unemployed and I don't think my insurance would cover a diagnosis. But it would be very comforting to just know for sure, because if I had it it would explain a LOT of things. Things that I've been depressed about thinking that I was inferior or stupid for not getting or for being unusual in those ways. I think it would give me a lot of relief to have an explanation. A definite "yes" or "no" would help me greatly.

Is there anything I can do to go about this, how hard is it, how long does it take? I don't really know how to go about this on my own. I would also like the opinion of others here if you think that I do have it or not?

Looking back even to my childhood I can remember things that may have been because of this even as early as a toddler. One thing that I did was back in kindergarten, on my first day. Some days prior my teacher told me not to come in the school building until she came outside and let us in. Well my bus was late that day, but instead of going to the main office for help, I sat out there for hours until the first recess when she came out. I completely adhered to the rule I was told, and I think of a lot of things in a black-and-white way even nowadays. I did stuff like that my entire life, which lead to me being bullied, which didn't help either.

I just would like some feedback as I don't feel ready or able to talk about this with the few people I am close to in my life. I feel like they would brush me off, not take me seriously, or think I am a hypochondriac and that it is all in my head. I don't know how to go about getting a professional diagnosis and I don't have $2000 to do so. So, I just would like some input or suggestions from people here.

Thank you to anyone who bothered to read all that, whether or not you responded. Sorry for writing so much... I just have a lot on my mind.
 
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Welcome to AspiesCentral :)

It sure sounds to me that you might want to investigate it if nothing more than for answers.

I think a lot of us have had that same moment that you are experiencing now.
 
Hi Rin,

No need to feel alone in this, a lot of people here found out late in life and went through what you are going through right now.
Assuming you are an aspie its not the end of the world and you'll find explainations for a lot of weird feeling and expieriences you've had. It's all normal and a bit scarey etc.
Personally I only found out at 38 and while it was a lot to come to terms with I'm really glad I know now and it's made life a lot easier just knowing I'm not crazy.
If you read/post the forumns here you may find as I did a lot of threads where you'll see people who think like you for the first time.

AC is a freindly place and I'm sure you'll find it a good sounding board.

and Welcome to AC :)
 
Investigate health coverages more. I know it's a PITA, but there are programs out there for uninsured, unemployed, etc. Just be thorough and persistant. You may qualify for medicaid btw. It's not just for old people.

Also you may find you can get a certainty about it, without a professional diagnosis. It's called Self-Diagnosis and in my opinion, if done thoroughly is fairly reliable. Many of us here are self-diagnosed and do not seek a formal diagnosis. Having a diagnosis can open doors and can close doors so its good to think that out fully before making a decision.

Welcome btw. :)
 
If you decide to seek a formal diagnosis, depending on your income, you may be able to get a reduced fee as well. I don't have any insurance and have very little income since I'm a student so I got a very reduced price for a diagnosis. I'd recommend you speak with your insurance to see if there are any particular specialists that they cover. Also, local autism centers generally can give referrals for specialists in your area who are qualified to give a diagnosis. Like I said, that's only if you feel the need to get a formal DX. Those are the things I did to get one.
 
I can't help you very much, I'm sorry. But I was reading through your list of asperger's characteristics that you have noticed in yourself and
  • I notice a lot of small details - pattern of tiles, license plate numbers. Though at the same time I can be very unobservant, like if someone is staring at me. I also have trouble noticing romantic advances, people will tell me "he was flirting with you!" when I think I am just having a normal, friendly reaction with someone. I notice a lot of signs when I am in the car and unintentionally read a lot of them out loud. I'm not good at memorizing numbers or dates, however.
caught my eye. Do neurotypical people generally not notice licence plate numbers and and patters of tiles? Is it common for people to not be able to recall the pattern of tiles in a place they visited and whatnot? I have always noticed very small details all the time but are such (quite significant if you ask me) details as licence plate numbers and tile patterns really things NT people pay very little attention to? I'm just asking because I haven't heard of that before and I'm interested to know more.
 
No I think the op is definitely right that it's more of an aspie thing to notice that. It's due in part to our hyper awareness of our surroundings. For myself, I notice every little sound, every little movement, things out of place etc etc. I also notice patterns of tiles and things like that. Sometimes I feel like nt's go through life with their senses being muted almost, whereas our senses are often on high (hyper) or tuned in very very high... If that makes sense.
Of course mind you, these are generalizations and will not apply to every single person but it's just what I've noticed as a common thing.
 
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You sound VERY like me, except that I can read analogue clocks, I don't have panic attacks so frequently, and I can make some brief eye contact, even though I find it uncomfortable. I would research it some more, and read about experiences of others with AS on this forum and others, blogs and videos - it will help you understand yourself more and go through the process of sorting out which past experiences and traits may be due to AS and help in the process of finding closure for any past misfortune and pain related to AS.
 
Wow, so many kind replies, and quick too! Thank you everyone, I was worried no one would even bother to read all that, it got so long.

I will continue researching but so far I can feel fairly confident in a self-diagnosis, though I think I would still prefer a professional one. So thank you for the suggestions, I overlooked some of my options it seems.

I want to get it for myself first and foremost, but it would also be easier for me to be open with people that way. I briefly mentioned to my close friend that I think I may have asperger's, but before I had any real chance to explain why I thought that way she said she knows 100% that I absolutely do not, and kind of brushed me off. That hurt a lot, because I have only a couple friends and she is the one I am closest to. Also, she is the one who points out many of my odd "quirks" that are signs of it, such as me latching onto quotes that I endlessly repeat and doing odd things with my hands, and is the one who explains to me about all the social rules and cues I don't get. I feel like maybe, like me, she at first had a different image in her mind of what it was supposed to be, and I didn't fit that so she didn't think twice about it.

I also felt frustrated when I asked my mother about it and she said that she actually suspected it years ago because I fit many traits - but because I feel empathy, surely I can't have it. But she doesn't realize that a lot of what I say or do is scripted, and it feels very fake for me to do. But I learn, this is what you're supposed to say and do in this situation, so I do it. But it doesn't come naturally and I come across MANY situations I haven't memorized what I'm "supposed" to do, and have problems with. So I did not get much support there, either.

However as I previously stated there were a lot of things I got depressed over and felt stupid for not getting, for not understanding what every other kid did despite being fairly intelligent. I wish I had some sort of explanation for it, and if I could know for sure I had this I think it would explain a lot of things and that would help me with my self-esteem and how to handle myself in the future. So, thank you everyone for being so helpful, I really appreciate it!
 
I feel your pain and even if people (like your friend), think you don't have it, they are not qualified to make a diagnosis. Every single person I've told that I have a professional diagnosis has been shocked. Just because we are able to fit in and pass as nt does not mean that we are. What matters are your thoughts, feelings and experiences. And what you said rings true to me.... Esp the part about your mom saying that you have empathy so you can't be on the spectrum-- that is absolutely not a real thing. Many many many of us have empathy and in fact a lot actually have almost too much- to where we feel everything that some one else does. Not having or having empathy is not a defining characteristic of ASD either, BTW... Sorry about that rant. I just meant that there is so much miss information out there about this.
 
Yes exactly, I feel like both of them have an image in their minds which isn't necessarily accurate, but they won't even hear me out because of it. Even though a lot of times I don't get why someone is angry or upset, I don't understand why what I said or did upset them, I do feel sad if someone is sad. I can't say I'm good at consoling them - I don't know how to react, what to say, nor how to express my emotions that I feel that way, but I do care - even if it all feels like an act to try and show that.

I feel a lot less stressed about all this thanks to everyone's advice here, it really does mean a lot to me.
 
When you say
'Even though a lot of times I don't get why someone is angry or upset, I don't understand why what I said or did upset them, I do feel sad if someone is sad. I can't say I'm good at consoling them - I don't know how to react, what to say, nor how to express my emotions that I feel that way, but I do care - even if it all feels like an act to try and show that'
It's like I am writing it myself. I deeply feel for people but I just didn't get the memo on how to express those feelings or console someone. Also about it being an act, I feel like most of our learning how to fit in, in this world is an act until we have done it so many times that it just becomes natural. I wouldn't fret about it.. Just do the best you can.. And we're glad to help. Your message could have been written to me so I just wanted to let you know that you're not at all alone with regard to this.
 
No I think the op is definitely right that it's more of an aspie thing to notice that. It's due in part to our hyper awareness of our surroundings. For myself, I notice every little sound, every little movement, things out of place etc etc. I also notice patterns of tiles and things like that. Sometimes I feel like nt's go through life with their senses being muted almost, whereas our senses are often on high (hyper) or tuned in very very high... If that makes sense.
Of course mind you, these are generalizations and will not apply to every single person but it's just what I've noticed as a common thing.
Yeah, I believe the OP, I'm not opposing their statement. This forum is probably not the right place to even ask this. I should go and ask some NTs out there. My question was essentially how do NTs respond to details and to what extent do they process them. I have always noticed the small details all the time so I've taken it as a natural thing and I'm just recently discovering that not all people notice all these things and it puzzles me because I have no idea what would it be like to not notice the details since noticing them is all I've ever known. It is hard to say of course because all people are so different. When you live with these traits for most of the time that you can remember, you might not even realize that NTs don't do some of the things you've always done like noticing the details in this case. This is what provoked my thoughts.
 
Even though I did have some pretty supportive people in my life that already suspected I had a touch of autism, what I did when I first broke it to them was go over these two lists: help4aspergers.com - List of Female Asperger traits
As generally as possible. I left out the words like "autism" and "aspie" and just left it at "him" and "her". Most of them said that sounded just like me. And I did have that one token "everybody does that" guy.

  • I can't read analog clocks very well, it takes me a little while.
Reverse for me! Digital is my issue. It's a bunch of meaningless numbers. An analog clock with a face and hands, I can SEE what time it is.

Do neurotypical people generally not notice licence plate numbers and and patters of tiles? [...] I have always noticed the small details all the time so I've taken it as a natural thing and I'm just recently discovering that not all people notice all these things and it puzzles me because I have no idea what would it be like to not notice the details since noticing them is all I've ever known.
Aye. While I had figured out I was more observant of patterns, what I did not realize is that when people stepped outside they were not constantly aware of all their input, like the warmth of the sun, the angle of the sun, the direction of the wind, the humidity in the air, every scent and sound, and constant touch input like clothes, grass, rocks, and other stuff. Makes me wonder what input they are aware of!
 
I am not qualified to provide a diagnosis, and in fact do not have one for myself, but AS sounds likely in your case. I am 49, and didn't discover my AS until I was 40. I was fairly well adapted, and though stressed internally, I had learned to hide my struggles to protect myself from people, both well-meaning, and otherwise. What cinched it for me, was reading a description of typical childhood AS traits:

"absent minded professor".....check
clumsy.....check
doesn't like sports....check
verbally precocious very early....check
read encyclopedia for fun....check
near-eidedic memory.....check
animal lover....check
withdrawn....check
played alone.....check
vividly imaginative....check

and it went on and on. I was convinced. So convinced that I didn't, nor do I need dx. I am mistrustful of people in general, and do not want to be "officially" AS in any file anywhere. On a recent job application, I skipped over the "Autism" checkbox on one of the forms. I will be judged on the quality of my work and my overall contribution to the company, not by some label, which will have vastly different meanings, unknown to me, to those I am now answering to. Yes, I got the job and it is great. Better than I could have hoped!
 
I have so many of these same things (inclusive l including the special interest in reptiles! I have two ball pythons!)
I just got my referral to a psychologist to go through official assessment, and I'm anxiously (both the good and the bad kind) awaiting the process! Feel free to shoot me some messages if you ever want to talk about being an aspie, or snakes, I love talking about both!
 
As a child and even young adult I was incredibly gullible and trusting of everyone. I couldn't believe anyone could lie or why they would, so I believed everything everyone said and took it all at face value. A lot of times people would say something as joke, not seriously, but I would not realize it was a joke and take it seriously. Or figures of speech. When my dad said it "cost a million bucks in gas!" to drive to California on one road trip, despite being very logical I believed that it really did cost that much and did not second guess it despite being old enough to know better. Things like that happened all the time.

I remember an uncle telling me that I will turn into a boy at 13.
...
When I told my parents (or whoever) this years later, nobody could believe that I even considered such a statement as truth. I had NO IDEA when people teased me, and teasing really confused me for a very long time. I was considered 'too serious'.

Thank goodness we are such great students. Once we realize we have to learn the rules, it becomes easy, because life is just sets of rules. Of course there are "exceptions", but all rule lists have exceptions. They can also be learnt. For instance, body language is the same for all mammals.
If you can understand dogs and cats, you can understand people. People lie, but bodies don't.

I fortunately made body language my obsession, and am pretty good at it, better than the average NT, which is so cool!
I overheard a family member telling a new friend that I was a "soothsayer". [It's because I focus almost entirely on what people are portraying with their bodies, and comparing that with what they are saying. One can rely on body language much more than verbal language.] We know how much people like to lie.

I found that Aspergers' explained all my quirks. My parents don't agree with this self-diagnosis, but Occam's Razor. Or if the shoe fits...it just explains so much about my life, and we keep so much private, others don't know a 1/4 of it, do they?
 
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I understand what you are going through. I started seeing a new psychologist. After a few visits and a little courage I posed the question about aspergers. She said she was going to bring that up to me because she saw the traits in me. I told my brother what the doctor said and he said him and his wife had been reading up on it. He said they didn't know how to approach the subject but they saw it too. My brother even said he was glad the doctor said I have aspergers, so his wife would stop giving him articles to read about it. I think once I got confirmation from a doctor and my brother I felt a little bit relieved. I still felt a little bit wired about knowing this, but it did explain a lot. It still feels a little scary that I have this going on in my life. I have not approached my psychiatrist with this information. My psychiatrist has diagnosed me with ADD. Which I also believe is righ on too. Does anyone else out there have a combination of ADD and aspergers and a mental illness?
Sometimes I think others can see things about us that we can not see in our selves due to we have always done the quirkey things we do and we see it as normal. It is normal to us, but not so normal to others.
 

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