Your definition of NT

[tree]

@Mary Terry

I think the term 'autism' was first used in the early 20th century
to refer to symptoms of schizophrenia.

"The word "autism" comes from the Greek word "autos," which means "self." It describes conditions in which a person is removed from social interaction. In other words, he becomes an “isolated self.”

Eugen Bleuler, a Swiss psychiatrist, was the first person to use the term. He started using it around 1911..."

What Does the Word ‘Autism’ Mean?
Later, Kanner used the word to describe the condition of autism as a mental illness
brought on my bad parenting.

The more modern usage of the word 'autism' started with Hans Asperger.

History of Autism | Project Autism
Autism - Wikipedia

 

[OlLiE]

i guess that if you believe in evolution, i guess NT's are the majority because that way of thinking had the best chance to ensure the survival of the species

i would guess that as the society became more 'safe', and survival less dependent on old instincts, that that has opened up the opportunity for non NT's to thrive

so NT's are yesterday when we lived in the woods, and non- Nt's are today and tomorrow when we started to live behind laptops

at the end of the day, i would guess that a balance between the two would yield the best results as opposed to one extreme or the other

 

[The Midge]

I was thinking more for other mental illnesses such as schizophrenia where the person can be confused with reality. Interestingly, I hear CBT is used a lot for autism. I'm not sure how the effectiveness compares when using it for autism versus mental disorders, but the fact it used makes me wonder.

CBT may work for autism but I think it would need to be a program designed for someone on the spectrum. I did standard courses of CBT before I was diagnosed. I didn't believe the alternative narratives, because I really was unable to comprehend social situations!

 

[Butterfly88]

CBT may work for autism but I think it would need to be a program designed for someone on the spectrum. I did standard courses of CBT before I was diagnosed. I didn't believe the alternative narratives, because I really was unable to comprehend social situations!

That's a good point. I had CBT for mental health issues after I was diagnosed with ASD. I'm wonder if my therapist adapted it knowing I have ASD.

 

[tree]

@Nitro
This is what I found regarding the use of the word 'neurotypical' and
the person credited with using it first.

"(Jim)Sinclair is ... credited with coining the word "neurotypical" in the early 1990s, which was originally used to denote people with non-autistic brains, but has morphed in usage to denote neurologically typically developing people (or the culture that is built around such people). "
Neurodiversity - Wikipedia

"Jim Sinclair is an autism-rights movement activist who, with fellow autistics Kathy Lissner Grant and Donna Williams, formed Autism Network International (ANI) in 1992." Sinclair first spoke at age 12 years.
Jim Sinclair (activist) - Wikipedia

 

[Gracey]

CBT may work for autism but I think it would need to be a program designed for someone on the spectrum. I did standard courses of CBT before I was diagnosed. I didn't believe the alternative narratives, because I really was unable to comprehend social situations!

Not 'autism'
That would be like saying CBT will change a hearing deficit.

I believe CBT is to anxiety as a really good hearing aid or even sign language is to a hearing deficit.

A way to cope with the 'hand you're dealt'

(Anxiety being common to ASD as perhaps a result of social interaction?)

 

[Mary Terry]

Thanks, @tree, for digging out the answer to who first coined the term.

It's amazing that autism (albeit misconstrued then as schizophrenia) has been recognized for over 100 years within the medical community. We've progressed somewhat since then - at least no one continues to believe that bad parenting causes autism.

 

[Chance]

Very well then,but your homework for tonite will be to research who came up with the term.

My messed up take on NT's or ND's is simple...

Nt's brains (no matter what other factors) are wired to fit within the status quo of what society calls normal...

ND's (Neurodiverse) - again no matter what other issues we have, we are hard wired differently and perceive our surroundings very differently than the majority who easily follow the socially set status quo..

I dont think we can define even ourselves as being one group of autistics... We vary widely but still have that common thread that does in fact make us of one grouping... Same for NT's

Just my take and I'm probably way off in left field somewhere chasing fireflies - but thats okay. : )

 

[Nitro]

My messed up take on NT's or ND's is simple...

Nt's brains (no matter what other factors) are wired to fit within the status quo of what society calls normal...

ND's (Neurodiverse) - again no matter what other issues we have, we are hard wired differently and perceive our surroundings very differently than the majority who easily follow the socially set status quo..

I dont think we can define even ourselves as being one group of autistics... We vary widely but still have that common thread that does in fact make us of one grouping... Same for NT's

Just my take and I'm probably way off in left field somewhere chasing fireflies - but thats okay. : )

My take on it is that we are all unique when it comes to neurology. That being said,the diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder has been proven time and again at best an educated guess. If you follow that line of thought,it will become apparent that the entire psych world is based mostly on theories and not facts.

 

[Chance]

My take on it is that we are all unique when it comes to neurology. That being said,the diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder has been proven time and again at best an educated guess. If you follow that line of thought,it will become apparent that the entire psych world is based mostly on theories and not facts.

I think we are both nearly saying the same thing in differing ways...

I am a facts guy as much as possible, but IS IT NOT... the world that is running on theories and falseness and in that we mostly don't fit in...

Example: Many times unstable people are wrongly labeled Autistic, but who publicly wrongly labels NT's?
It basically cant be done...

Example:
I can see how people "in theory" can be millionaries on paper, but factually fakes and penniless in real life, yet a fake portfolio, and being in debt to times that goes past a persons death is the norm... We have a whole monetary system floating on theories, and outright lies, but that IS NOT normal to someone like me... It isn't even close to it, because I base all I can on facts of right here and now.

I see a world living in what might be called theory, only to keep them from being called liars and hypocrites of unthinkable proportion... Fact is ASD are not mostly a part in what designed that system, or do we have much power to sway it... That alone states that we are different than a large portion of the world.

I'm know I way out there, but I cant get the right words right now... But there are differences and those differences have caused the stigma, the labels, the abuse, and the injustice, that make the separations very noticeable.

I dont hate anyone, but I sure have felt hate from people who would very well fit into the normal status quo, NT or not. I guess I draw a real hard line between unique (which is great) and monsters who claim to be human. : )

 

[NefariousFox]

I think the definition would change based on the eye of the beholder. Everyone is going to have a different definition of normalcy. And what the average might be. I can no better understand a person sitting across from me, than I can someone on the other side of the country. I have only my own perspective with which to make assumptions from.

I would argue that NT's have innate social cues hard wired. They learn social organisation, and have little difficulty with hierarchy. But again, this is from an observer who does not do those well at all. There is a mystery afoot where I cannot understand how they do it. Though as an outside observer I do see nuance of interaction that they themselves probably do not realize. Mimicry and careful practice with syntax/meter and language seem to be a close facsimile, but understanding how it is actually done still remains a mystery.

Possessing deep visualization skills, it became apparent that this is not a standard cognitive ability among the general population. While I don't believe it to be ASD specific, it does seem to be atypical. Is it a trait of higher IQ in general? Higher IQ would be a non-typical trait, so intelligence itself in NT's would simply be at the 50% mark.

Considering the absolute average human is actually rather boring! Even with all of the extreme hardship, that's not a place I think I would want to be. Learning and information are so pivotal to my existence, I can't imagine living without them... (well I can, but I wouldn't want to)

 

[ksheehan88]

CBT may work for autism but I think it would need to be a program designed for someone on the spectrum. I did standard courses of CBT before I was diagnosed. I didn't believe the alternative narratives, because I really was unable to comprehend social situations!

I was suppose to be doing a second round of CBT next month, but since I had my assessment the psychologist cancelled that, believing it was pointless (I agreed - the first lot was pointless) and made an appointment for me to see an assistant psychologist who specialises in ASD for therapy instead.

 

[The Midge]

I was suppose to be doing a second round of CBT next month, but since I had my assessment the psychologist cancelled that, believing it was pointless (I agreed - the first lot was pointless) and made an appointment for me to see an assistant psychologist who specialises in ASD for therapy instead.

I hope it works for you

 

[Bella Pines]

the definition of neurotypical

First recorded in 1990-95; neuro- + typical

Acting NT: Neurotypical Syndrome Played Straight

"The word autism was only coined as recently as 1942, yet autistic people have existed long before that. In similar fashion, neurotypicals have existed as long as the human species has, even though the English word was not coined until the 1990's. The neurotypical brain has never been formally diagnosed or otherwise treated as a disorder, therefore there are no specific criteria, only general patterns observable through neurology, psychology, and sociology."

"Neurotypicals find it extremely difficult to act logically and emotionally at the same time. Neurotypicals experience their emotions as a separate force that influences them, rather than an extension of themselves influencing how they present. Thus it is assumed that one's rational mind and current emotional state may have two different intentions."

"Unlike autistics, neurotypicals seem to have no need or even preference for consistent rules. This may tie into the underlying white matter theory, suggesting that the neurotypical brain is disparate and fundamentally compartmentalized."

"In addition to their own dishonest tendencies, neurotypicals often prefer to be lied to, particularly if the truth is something they consider undesirable. This is one of the reasons NTs are, statistically, more religious than autistics. When a neurotypical poses a question like the sitcom cliché, "does this dress make me look fat?", the desired response is no, even if the objectively verifiable truth is yes. The NT would likely be angered by an affirmative answer; fat is considered a negative trait by this NT, and she (in an actual sitcom it would certainly be a woman) wishes to be told that she is not fat, even if she is, in fact, fat."

So maybe one day there will be a cure

 

[Mr Allen]

Very well then,but your homework for tonite will be to research who came up with the term.

And yours will be to learn how to spell tonight correctly

*gets coat*

 

[Nitro]

And yours will be to learn how to spell tonight correctly

*gets coat*

It is in fact a colloquial form of spelling it in use since 1918 here across the pond...

 

[Mary Anne]

What’s an NT? An invisible ill-defined group that some people love to rant about, bash and hate. We humans never stop defining, categorizing, excluding, and demonizing others. Be it by social class, skin color, race, religious views, geography, intelligence, education, abilities, physical attributes, or even our brains, we all have been doing this since the beginning of time. It will never end. Humans overall seem to perpetuate non-acceptance of each other.

 

[Ezra]

NT is a term aspies made up on the internet.

 

[Mary Anne]

NT is a term aspies made up on the internet.

Yes, I never knew that until just reading it in this thread. The word is often used with anger, frustration, judgements, stereotyping, hatred, and derision. NTs don’t even know about it. One cannot help being NT or Aspie. It’s just another way to divide humans from each other. We could focus on what we have in common - that would be more positive. I don’t think it will ever happen because humans generally don’t do that.

 

[Ezra]

Yes, I never knew that until just reading it in this thread. The word is often used with anger, frustration, judgements, stereotyping, hatred, and derision. NTs don’t even know about it. One cannot help being NT or Aspie. It’s just another way to divide humans from each other. We could focus on what we have in common - that would be more positive. I don’t think it will ever happen because humans generally don’t do that.

So far in life I have been around far more aspies than NTs. It hasn't been Shangri La. Nor have I heard the term NT spoken in the real life autism community.