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Sadism: help please!
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vergil96
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This is beyond me what consitutes a personality disorder and what doesn't. Something doesn't need to be considered a disorder to be clearly detrimental.
Trolling is antisocial entertainment too
And either way - true, that given the descriptions, evoking strong responses might be deliberate and entertainment for the OP.
As I said, consequences may change anti-social activity.
Objective analysis is my preferred response to anti-social exhibitionism.
The more damaged the individual, the more "interesting".
Emotions have no place in me when confronting defined situations such as this, for a couple of reasons.
The individual has only himself to blame for some doubting his genuineness, IMO.
But "doubting" is not the same as condemning.
The best thing to do in situations like this, IMO, is to remain objective and analytical rather than emotional.
But I am repeating myself.
I do enjoy the sound of my own voice after all, so ppl will have to deal with that. 
You can be upfront and still have ASPD.
How autism and sociopathy differ
Autism and sociopathy (more formally antisocial personality disorder, ASPD) come from very different origins and involve very different traits.Autism (ASD)
- A neurodevelopmental condition present from early childhood
- Characterised by differences in social communication, sensory processing, and routines
- Empathy differences are usually about cognitive empathy (difficulty reading social cues), not lack of caring
- Many autistic people have strong moral codes and deep concern for fairness
Sociopathy / ASPD
- A personality disorder involving persistent disregard for others’ rights
- Marked by manipulation, deceit, aggression, and lack of remorse
- Empathy differences are usually about affective empathy (reduced emotional response to others’ suffering)
- Behavioural patterns must begin in childhood (conduct disorder)
Can they co‑occur?
Yes — but it is rare and often complicated to diagnose. Research shows that:- Autism can co‑occur with personality disorders, including ASPD, in a minority of cases.
- Forensic studies show some individuals with ASD also meet criteria for ASPD, though this is not the norm.
- Overlap is often due to misinterpretation of autistic traits (e.g., bluntness, social difficulty) as antisocial behaviour, even when intent is not malicious.
Why the combination is often misunderstood
Some behaviours can look similar on the surface but come from very different causes:- An autistic person may seem blunt because they struggle with social nuance.
- A sociopathic person may seem charming or blunt because they are manipulating or disregarding others.
- Autistic traits come from neurological differences, not malice.
- Sociopathic traits involve intentional violation of others’ rights.
From memory, the very first post screamed "Toll" to me, but I am not the sort of person who mindlessly jumps to conclusions.
BTW, trolls can very easily be sociopaths/psychopaths, IMO.
If he has a conscious get help, otherwise, we as a group can do nothing leave him alone. We are here to help each other. he is not one of us.
Seen this in individuals before . After reading what you wrote. Not really willing to engage in being judgemental of you after what you,wrote , almost feels as if , am being baited for a certain type of response , possibly to help satisfy some urge ,you may or maynot have ?
But quite honesty all things considered if ,you think to try improvement for yourself of somekind . Would join the Marine Corp . If you are serious about change. Believe it may help you . Be the best you can be or die trying , And tickle your saviour issue at the same time. imho
But quite honesty all things considered if ,you think to try improvement for yourself of somekind . Would join the Marine Corp . If you are serious about change. Believe it may help you . Be the best you can be or die trying , And tickle your saviour issue at the same time. imho
Agreed......I think this is attention seeking behavior of the OP. They said they like evoking strong emotional upset reactions in people. This thread has definitely obliged in that department.
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It makes little difference to the response whether OP is trolling or not, so why even discuss it?
The serious answers to OP all say the same thing:
* This is way outside AF's collective "pay grade"
* Get professional help as soon as possible.
A meta-discussions has clear downsides, and no upsides:
1. Telling an honest actor they're a troll is harmful, and may well induce a negative outcome
2. Telling a troll they're trolling in the hope that they'll stop is a fool's errand.
If I reversed the logic of the meta-discussion, my conclusion would be that it's intended to harm to OP.
There's even supporting evidence for it:
OP has been targeted by something that looks a lot like a small-scale "struggle session".
But why tho?
That kind of engagement is purely for the amusement of the "attackers", with motivations that are oddly reminiscent of the original post.
The serious answers to OP all say the same thing:
* This is way outside AF's collective "pay grade"
* Get professional help as soon as possible.
A meta-discussions has clear downsides, and no upsides:
1. Telling an honest actor they're a troll is harmful, and may well induce a negative outcome
2. Telling a troll they're trolling in the hope that they'll stop is a fool's errand.
If I reversed the logic of the meta-discussion, my conclusion would be that it's intended to harm to OP.
There's even supporting evidence for it:
OP has been targeted by something that looks a lot like a small-scale "struggle session".
But why tho?
That kind of engagement is purely for the amusement of the "attackers", with motivations that are oddly reminiscent of the original post.
Objective analysis is my preferred response to anti-social exhibitionism.
The more damaged the individual, the more "interesting".
Emotions have no place in me when confronting defined situations such as this, for a couple of reasons.
I don't think the OP is looking for "objective analysis" from us.
Yeah, insanity will not be any defense from what they said, as they are admitting they are doing something they feel as wrong and that they know that society feels as wrong.
Those who think they can do whatever horrible things they want for their own thrills and act like victims who should not be punished legally clearly are sinister, apathetic and self-absorbed people.
Maybe they need to feel their own pain, by being put in a prison with similar monsters who will do the same to them. That seems like the only possible way to get justice served, and for them to feel any ounce of remorse for those harmed.
He really needs to seek professional help.
Perhaps my comment before should have been more clear. It was not intended to harm the OP or accuse them of trolling. Quite the reverse. The OP clearly stated that they get off on seeing the evidence of people's reactions to their words/ actions that are emotionally upsetting. All of the upset reactions, speculations and arguments here in this thread are just feeding into the OP's self-stated psychosis...and not really helping the OP at all with their request for help with sadism. My comment was also for the benefit of the people who are getting upset reading the thread...that they should take it all with a grain of salt, as it may have been intended to invoke a reaction. The OP has already heard all the helpful answers this site can give them, that they need professional help. The best thing we can do to truly help them with this going forward is to stop feeding into their triggering content.
@MC1Rcat
Thanks for the update. It seems we were trying to achieve similar objectives, and used different styles of indirection. Also FWIW I wasn't responding specifically to your post, but I wanted to be after one that didn't include any high-temperature personal attacks.
I agree with your the "grain of salt" comment. And I think it applies in both cases.
* Some trolls are looking for maximum shock value, and go "all in". So it's bad behavior by unpleasant people.
* But how can a normie accurately interpret the communication style of the "call for help" case?
I certainly can't understand how such a person thinks, and what they would see as suitable information.
Thanks for the update. It seems we were trying to achieve similar objectives, and used different styles of indirection. Also FWIW I wasn't responding specifically to your post, but I wanted to be after one that didn't include any high-temperature personal attacks.
I agree with your the "grain of salt" comment. And I think it applies in both cases.
* Some trolls are looking for maximum shock value, and go "all in". So it's bad behavior by unpleasant people.
* But how can a normie accurately interpret the communication style of the "call for help" case?
I certainly can't understand how such a person thinks, and what they would see as suitable information.
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