I am very curious about certain personality parameters and how they apply to the Autistic

[Oldlady]

I test as INTJ though since I was socialised as a female I have reasonably good Fe. I was taught that a female's role in life is to make sure everyone else is comfortable so I find that I both excel at that and rebel against it. I would rather make sure everyone else is well informed, but I am willing to offer them a cup of tea while we work on that.

Edited to add that I always forget my Big Five results but I do know I score as highly agreeable.

Thanks!

 

[Oldlady]

As an ESTJ, I believe that my disagreeable side comes from J, the judger. I can't help but form an opinion on anything and everything, regardless of its usefulness. The T, thinker, uses the brain to understand the world in great detail. I don't accept face value. S, sensation, means I must experience something. I can accept anything, but I am more comfortable doing it to truly understand it. The E, extroversion, is my fearless, almost naive way to explore.

None of these functions independently. It is the combination that makes the personality maneuver and flow. For the sake of understanding how ASD influences these traits, consider that we still don't understand ASD enough beyond something associated with neurological wiring (simplified version). The why, wherefore, and how is a scientific quest. These personality traits could be exacerbated by ASD, but like anything in autism, it's a question of degrees. I do not feel that ASD makes me agreeable or disagreeable, but I know my personality does. I would need an NT clone of myself to see how much one might influence the other. It's like taking the color purple and separating the red from the blue to measure percentages.

One must consider the dangers of labeling personalities and categorizing people for their faults and virtues. This is commonplace in business career placement strategies, but it shouldn't be thought of as a real science. My personal life has no place at work, and my work has no place at home (easier said than done), so any person can call upon the applicability of their traits for certain tasks and actions. ASD doesn't tell me to be polite nor exclude good manners when called upon. ASD doesn't dictate my ability to be agreeable, but the fact that I am an extrovert and I have opinions as a judger means that I might voice my view more often than not, regardless of it being welcome or even needed. Oops, my socially awkward Asperger moment.

We may be looking more at how disagreeable and agreeable personalities exist without the influence of ASD. I've known NTs who become very disagreeable if they don't get their way, in the manner of a spoiled child. I'm also very impressed by people on this forum who can keep their cool and be very diplomatic in response to outrageous statements.

Since childhood, I have been very obedient. I learned respect for authority, kindness, manners, and I am never late for anything. ASD has nothing to do with these. They were learned. My ESTJ side is woven into my interaction with the world. From the big mix of environment, ASD, and personality traits, we develop our way of functioning. ASD can hinder me in areas, but make me exceptional in others, only because I am keenly aware of what makes me different from the NT world. When I analyze my value, I realize that I have all the ingredients appropriate for someone whose job is to check a jumbo jet before it leaves the ground (just don't tough my tools). Somewhere in the big mix, I am driven to absolute perfection in ensuring completion of the tasks. There is no way for me to know exactly where this all comes from, suffice to say it is the mix.

Would you say that you like to be social or wish that you could be social or would you say that you prefer to be alone most of the time?

 

[Oldlady]

INFJ

Introversion
iNtuition
Feeling
Judging

Thank you.

 

[Oldlady]

I'm all of them. Or none of them. I don't know. Identity is confusing.

Yet we cannot function without a sense of identity.

 

[Oldlady]

INTJ
Mbti Personality Type

INTJ is an abbreviation used in the publications of the Myers–Briggs Type Indicator to refer to one of the 16 psychological types. According to Myers–Briggs the INTJ represents "The Mastermind". INTJs are one of the rarest of the 16 psychological types and account for 2―4% of the population

Thank you.

 

[Oldlady]

INTJ
Mbti Personality Type

INTJ is an abbreviation used in the publications of the Myers–Briggs Type Indicator to refer to one of the 16 psychological types. According to Myers–Briggs the INTJ represents "The Mastermind". INTJs are one of the rarest of the 16 psychological types and account for 2―4% of the population

Would you say you are agreeable or disagreeable?

 

[55853]

Thinker/feeler as per Meyers-Briggs. Do you know what you're feeling most of the time and make most of your decisions based on those feelings? Or do you have to think about how you feel and make decisions based on analysis?

Are you (would you like to be) relatively social out of choice or do you prefer your own company most of the time?

I highly suggest you read up on the validity of that quiz. It does not fit into current understanding of personality. I'd personally recommend this article:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ing_tool_and_window_into_intuitive_psychology

 

[Oldlady]

I highly suggest you read up on the validity of that quiz. It does not fit into current understanding of personality. I'd personally recommend this article:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ing_tool_and_window_into_intuitive_psychology

I'm using that criteria for my survey here. It is not based on any online quizz, but thank you for the information.

 

[55853]

I'm using that criteria for my survey here. It is not based on any online quizz, but thank you for the information.

What do you mean? You said "as per Meyers [sic]-Briggs". I can only assume you meant Myers-Briggs Type Indicator theory, which is the basis for many personality quizzes. Would you please clarify what you are using instead?

There is no thinker/feeler dichotomy. The way MBTI defines introversion/extroversion differs significantly from evidence-backed definitions. This, and more, is explained in the linked paper.

 

[sidd851]

Specifically: introversion/extroversion
agreeableness/disagreeableness
thinker/feeler

Where are you on these parameters?

I am highly aware of these tendencies, but seem to be able to traverse the widest span of them.
I can be extremely introverted, and yet extremely extroverted--- as the situation demands. I am very strongly aligned with being a "thinker"--- and equally so a "feeler".
It is my conviction that wholesome thought, speech, action, is dependent on collation, (re)conciliation of the two.
Accompanying that, is the cost---
it ain't cheap. It's still mask.

In the list of polar opposites, "agreeable" seems to be my closest affiliation.
I can, however be brazenly dis-agreeable, if I feel an ideal is being assaulted or injustice being done.

This once again brings home, for me, the complex sophistication of masking---
and the crushing weight of it--- simultaneously.

It is a huge expenditure, pleasing when it's working, despair when it's not.

I hope that any of this made sense in some way.

 

[Pats]

Your introversion is not what makes you agreeable. I am very introverted and quite disagreeable. Just saying.

Do you know what you are feeling most of the time or do you have to think about it before you know what you're feeling?

oh, is that what you meant by thinker/feeler? I thought it was like how you make decisions and stuff. No, I don't have to think about how I'm feeling to know how I'm feeling.
And my introversion does make me agreeable because in most cases, rather than disagreeing I will agree just to keep a low profile. I'll compare myself to my extroverted ex who disagrees with everything because he loves to hear himself talk. I don't.

 

[Tom]

It depends on the last fortune cookie I had.

 

[Judge]

Agreeable or disagreeable?

-Yes.

 

[Ylva]

Specifically: introversion/extroversion
agreeableness/disagreeableness
thinker/feeler

Where are you on these parameters?

Can be both
Can be both
Do both

 

[Peter Morrison]

And my introversion does make me agreeable because in most cases, rather than disagreeing I will agree just to keep a low profile.

This is a good example of how we alter our natural ways of behaving because of other influences and circumstances. Most people will agree that for the insight a Myers-Briggs test may have, it isn't an exact science. Even the questions are subject to interpretation, and the answers are supposed to represent what one might "usually" do, think, or feel. This can easily skew the final tally if someone misunderstands or uses a one-off situation as their example. The system is still valid, but it doesn't take the numerous other factors into consideration when determining how rigid you might be. I will keep my mouth shut if I believe my view or commentary might cause a problem. I like to avoid problems, so I override my instincts to contribute by bowing out. There are always too many factors that influence our behaviors. That T, thinker, that can see problems is also the same T that finds solutions. I can't see it at either good or bad. It just is.I always thought that the T in me keeps me fair, as I always try to see both sides of an issue and the residual consequences. Then again, that T has no value on a topic for which the person is unacquainted. It's like "garbage in, garbage out". None of these markers functions alone.

 

[55853]

The system is still valid

No it's not. It's not considered to be scientifically valid. Please read the paper I linked, plus the many others that exist, that explain why this is. The paper I linked it written in fairly plain English and is only 9 pages long.

 

[Aspychata]

It depends on lots of things,
1: coffee
2: Sunshine
3:no messages from satan, my ex
4: no surprises that deviate from my day
5: which job l am going to
6: how well l feel incontrol of my life

if this all yes, l am agreeable, mostly social,

 

[Fino]

Yet we cannot function without a sense of identity.

"Identity disturbance is the core feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) DSM‐5 describes 2 types of impairment of self‐functioning:

1. identity: The self is impoverished, poorly developed, or there is an unstable self‐image, which is often associated with excessive self‐criticism; chronic feelings of emptiness; and dissociative states under stress,
2. self‐direction: instability in goals, aspirations, values, and career plans.

However, the classification of identity disturbance is diffuse, covering a wide range of indicators. Clinically, the notion of identity disturbance corresponds to severe difficulties in describing personal features of oneself and others, as well as problems in developing a sense of self with beliefs, interests, and life goals that are stable over time. This can take the form of extreme and polarized self‐conceptions, feelings of puzzlement about changes in the self, lack of a coherent image of self, explosive shifts into states where the perception of self is distorted and shows weak correspondence with external reality, a lack of capacity to flexibly adapt oneself to changes, rapidly changing roles and relationships, discontinuity in self‐experience, and no clear concept of self‐development. Patients identify only with their present affective states and have no sense of their continuity over time, leading Fuchs to describe the phenomenology of identity in BPD as an “atemporal mode of existing.”"

 

[Fino]

I scored INFP the first time I did the Myer-Briggs, ENFP the second time, INF-something-I-forgot another time, and two others I don't remember at all, all months or years apart from each other.

 

[Aspychata]

"Identity disturbance is the core feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) DSM‐5 describes 2 types of impairment of self‐functioning:

Thank you for the psychobabble, l feel sooooo much better now?!?

1. identity: The self is impoverished, poorly developed, or there is an unstable self‐image, which is often associated with excessive self‐criticism; chronic feelings of emptiness; and dissociative states under stress,
2. self‐direction: instability in goals, aspirations, values, and career plans.

However, the classification of identity disturbance is diffuse, covering a wide range of indicators. Clinically, the notion of identity disturbance corresponds to severe difficulties in describing personal features of oneself and others, as well as problems in developing a sense of self with beliefs, interests, and life goals that are stable over time. This can take the form of extreme and polarized self‐conceptions, feelings of puzzlement about changes in the self, lack of a coherent image of self, explosive shifts into states where the perception of self is distorted and shows weak correspondence with external reality, a lack of capacity to flexibly adapt oneself to changes, rapidly changing roles and relationships, discontinuity in self‐experience, and no clear concept of self‐development. Patients identify only with their present affective states and have no sense of their continuity over time, leading Fuchs to describe the phenomenology of identity in BPD as an “atemporal mode of existing.”"