Do Faraday Bags Really Work?

[All-Rounder]

An advertising slogan for faraday cages: "Buy the new, improved, Faraday Cage. It's the tinfoil hat- that actually works!"

In a study, tinfoil wrapping your mobile is shown to improve signal not decrease it, lol.

Seeking alien radio frequencies.

 

[Yeshuasdaughter]

In a study, tinfoil wrapping your mobile is shown to improve signal not decrease it, lol.

Seeking alien radio frequencies.

Sort of like putting aluminum foil balls on the ends of your rabbit ear antenna, in order to improve tv reception?

 

[Slime_Punk]

Many, if not most U.S. schools have stopped teaching cursive writing.

Thank god. I was just talking to someone about this and for a few minutes I felt like society was finally on track again

In a study, tinfoil wrapping your mobile is shown to improve signal not decrease it, lol.

Seeking alien radio frequencies.

Now I'm interested! Time to find those dang aliens once and for all!

Another way you can be stalked:

Magnetic Mini Gps Tracker​

Someone could simply place it on your car.

I respect anybody who has concerns with being stalked, but sometimes I crack myself up with what people would find if they ever tried that on me. "Why is every picture on this phone one of their many dogs?"

 

[All-Rounder]

One of the enlightened ones, I see.
Welcome, brother!

The "Tin Foil Hat" thing is part of the establishment's gaslighting.
The intent seems to be to inhibit discussion about "Electronic Harassment".
"Oh, what a wonderful world."

I thought it was a conspiracy theory. One of my dad's friends was diagnosed with schizophrenic and he was seeing spirits angels and demons but also made himself a tinfoil hat and held it dearly, perhaps his way of soothing himself but more so placebo. He believed it would help him as they said. However he kept being hospitalized. He would rumble the house goods down, big man, when he was having episodes.

 

[All-Rounder]

Electronic harassment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Electronic harassment, electromagnetic torture, or psychotronic torture is a conspiracy theory that malicious actors (often government agents or crime rings) make use of electromagnetic radiation (such as the microwave auditory effect), radar, and surveillance techniques to transmit sounds and thoughts into people's heads, affect people's bodies, and harass people.[1][2] Individuals who claim to experience this call themselves "targeted individuals" (TIs). Some claim they are victims of gang stalking and many have created or joined support and advocacy groups.[3][4]

Multiple medical professionals have concluded that these experiences are hallucinations, the result of delusional disorders, or psychosis.[1][2][5][6]

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Experiences​

The experiences of people who describe themselves as undergoing electronic harassment using esoteric technology, and who call themselves "targeted individuals" ("T.I."), vary, but experiences often include hearing voices in their heads calling them by name, often mocking them or others around them, as well as physical sensations like burning.[1][2] They have also described being under physical surveillance by one or more people.[1]

Many of these people act and function otherwise normally and included among them are people who are successful in their careers and lives otherwise, and who find these experiences confusing, upsetting, and sometimes shameful, but entirely real.[1] {there goes the tinfoil hat theory with these normies}

They use news stories, military journals, and declassified national security documents to support their allegations that governments have developed technology that can send voices into people's heads and cause them to feel things.[1] The New York Times estimated that there are more than 10,000 people who self-identify as targeted individuals.[7][8]

Psychologist Lorraine Sheridan co-authored a study of gang-stalking in the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology. According to Sheridan, "One has to think of the T.I. phenomenon in terms of people with paranoid symptoms who have hit upon the gang-stalking idea as an explanation of what is happening to them".[7] Mental health professionals say that T.I.s can experience hallucinations and their explanations of being targeted or harassed arise from delusional disorders or psychosis.[1][6][9][5][10] Yale psychiatry professor Ralph Hoffman states that people often ascribe voices in their heads to external sources such as government harassment, God, or dead relatives, and it can be difficult to persuade these individuals that their belief in an external influence is delusional.[1] Other experts compare these stories to accounts of alien abductions.[2]

Press accounts have documented individuals who apparently believed they were victims of electronic harassment, and in some cases persuaded courts to agree. In 2008, James Walbert went to court claiming that his former business associate had threatened him with "jolts of radiation" after a disagreement, and later claimed feeling symptoms such as electric shock sensations and hearing strange sounds in his ears. The court decided to issue an order banning "electronic means" to further harass Walbert.[11]




Support and advocacy communities There are extensive online support networks and numerous websites maintained by people fearing mind control. Palm Springs psychiatrist Alan Drucker has identified evidence of delusional disorders on many of these websites,[5] and psychologists agree that such sites negatively reinforce mental troubles, while some say that the sharing and acceptance of a common delusion could function as a form of group cognitive therapy.[2] According to psychologist Sheridan, the amount of content online about electronic harassment that suggests it is a fact without any debate on the subject, creates a harmful, ideological, platform for such behavior.[7]

As part of a 2006 British study by Vaughan Bell, independent psychiatrists determined "signs of psychosis are strongly present" based on evaluation of a sample of online mind-control accounts whose posters were "very likely to be schizophrenic."[6] Psychologists have identified many examples of people reporting "mind control experiences" (MCEs) on self-published web pages that are "highly likely to be influenced by delusional beliefs." Common themes include "bad guys" using "psychotronics" and "microwaves," frequent mention of the CIA's MKULTRA project and frequent citing of a scientific paper entitled "Human auditory system response to modulated electromagnetic energy."[32]

Some people who describe themselves as undergoing electronic harassment have organized and campaigned to stop the use of alleged psychotronic and other mind control weapons.[1][2] These campaigns have received some support from public figures, including former U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who included a provision banning "psychotronic weapons" in a 2001 bill that was later dropped,[1] and former Missouri State Representative Jim Guest.[2]

 

[Slime_Punk]

Unfortunately, schizophrenia (or at least delusions) are pretty common in this territory. The idea that everyday citizens would have that much time and money invested in them by governing bodies is a pretty grandiose assumption from the start. Imagine being just that important for unspecified reasons.

I might be a proponent of such theories if I were selling people fake protection bags on the internet as well. Well, I'm not that evil, but money and greed do strange things to people. Honestly, it sometimes makes me think that money really is the root of all evil, because people go to great lengths to sell products to vulnerable individuals and keep their intrusive theories alive as a byproduct.

We all absolutely are under 24-hour surveillance, especially if we use the internet or make phone calls, but there's absolutely no escaping that. Not even with the coolest bag on the planet . Maybe it's better to stay grounded and realize that we're all getting the same treatment as the next person and it's a fair exchange.

 

[Jonn]

I respect anybody who has concerns with being stalked, but sometimes I crack myself up with what people would find if they ever tried that on me. "Why is every picture on this phone one of their many dogs?"

It isn't the contents of the phone that I am focusing on here.
It is the ability of the perps to track and harass ppl.

 

[Forest Cat]

Someone could simply place it on your car.

Luckily there are detectors that can easily find things like that. I have one that can find cameras and microphones, it detects lenses, it's a very clever device. Don't have much use for it now but I used it at a job I had years ago and kept one.

 

[Forest Cat]

Unfortunately, schizophrenia (or at least delusions) are pretty common in this territory. The idea that everyday citizens would have that much time and money invested in them by governing bodies is a pretty grandiose assumption from the start. Imagine being just that important for unspecified reasons.

I'm not worried about the government at all, if they wanted me for some reason they would just send the police to my home and get me. And I have no reason to worry about that. The thing I protect myself against is just the thieves and scammers and all that. Every day there are new scams, new technology, more crap. It's just getting worse. So I do what I can to avoid being a victim. It's common sense.

 

[Jonn]

Luckily there are detectors that can easily find things like that. I have one that can find cameras and microphones, it detects lenses, it's a very clever device. Don't have much use for it now but I used it at a job I had years ago and kept one.

Could you recommend a brand?
Did you ever find anything?
Probably not, but it would give ppl peace of mind.

 

[Forest Cat]

In a study, tinfoil wrapping your mobile is shown to improve signal not decrease it, lol.

Yes, that is why Faraday bags/cages must have a non-conductive layer on the inside.

 

[Jonn]

I'm not worried about the government at all, if they wanted me for some reason they would just send the police to my home and get me. And I have no reason to worry about that. The thing I protect myself against is just the thieves and scammers and all that. Every day there are new scams, new technology, more crap. It's just getting worse. So I do what I can to avoid being a victim. It's common sense.

When the establishment gets involved, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
But there might be ways to mitigate harassment campaigns by bikie groups, as an example, who specialise in terrorising ppl for profit.
I know someone who had this done to them.
To think it never happens is naive.

 

[Jonn]

Yes, that is why Faraday bags/cages must have a non-conductive layer on the inside.

Well, it is easy to test.
Wrap the phone in foil and try to call from another one.
This was done in the youtube video.

But this is moot since we have purpose-built Faraday Bags.

 

[Forest Cat]

Could you recommend a brand?

No I don't know what's best now, but things like that is available for anyone to buy. Just do a search for reviews/tests of that kind of equipment.

 

[Forest Cat]

I think many people don't realize that for example home invasion and car theft is now areas where GPS trackers and electronics are common tools. You see an expensive car in a mall parking lot, you slap a tracker on it and then you go to the owners house later and steal the car. People have been raped and robbed because someone put a tracker in their purse or pocket in a nightclub and then followed them later. We live in a very unsafe world full of electronic crap.

 

[Jonn]

I think many people don't realize that home invasion and car jacking is now areas where GPS trackers and electronics are common tools. You see an expensive car in a mall parking lot, you slap a tracker on it and then you go to the owners house later and steal the car. People have been raped and robbed because somone put a tracker in their purse in a nightclub and then followed them later. We live in a very unsafe world full of electronic crap.

There is a very dark social underworld out there that many ppl aren't aware of.
Autistic ppl have a tendency to be rather naive and are perfect victims of psychopaths.

 

[Forest Cat]

Autistic ppl have a tendency to be rather naive and are perfect victims of psychopaths.

The first time I moved to a big city I was scammed out of all my money 12 hours later. It was a rent/security deposit scam. That would not happen now for sure, but back in the 90s I was hopelessly naive and didn't understand how the world works. Perfect victim.

 

[Jonn]

The first time I moved to a big city I was scammed out of all my money 12 hours later. That would not happen now for sure, but back in the 90s I was hopelessly naive and didn't understand how the world works. Perfect victim.

I got scammed recently.
I devised a working solution:

1. Never answer my mobile phone.
2. Throw pots and pans from my balcony at any unsolicited salesperson that knocks at my front door.

Seems to be working.

I strongly suspect "gullible" ppl's contact details are shared on the Dark Web, BTW.

 

[Jumpinbare]

Well, it is easy to test.
Wrap the phone in foil and try to call from another one.
This was done in the youtube video.

But this is moot since we have purpose-built Faraday Bags.

The phone case itself is non-conductive, so no need for an additional layer

 

[Slime_Punk]

I think many people don't realize that for example home invasion and car theft is now areas where GPS trackers and electronics are common tools. You see an expensive car in a mall parking lot, you slap a tracker on it and then you go to the owners house later and steal the car. People have been raped and robbed because someone put a tracker in their purse or pocket in a nightclub and then followed them later. We live in a very unsafe world full of electronic crap.

I agree with this, and even things like the Flipper Zero kind of scare me. I just still don't know how any of them are really preventable in our modern world that already has so many unchecked security holes (outside of spending one's entire life on patching such secrutiy vulerabilities, which is absolutely an option). I think there was another thread on here where we were all talking about the awesome capabilities of just an arduino or raspberry pi for personal use (IR capabilities especially), but in the hands of a really horrible person who wants to do harm, they're pretty much unstoppable.

I definitely don't wrestle with the idea of protection, I just still feel confused about the bag (my own deficit, for sure) in a world where everything else is already hackable and exploitable as it is. I'm hoping that these advancements in technology push all of us to simply create stronger security, as these devices are merely uncovering a greater issue that's gone unchecked for a long time. I personally believe we're all going to have to work together to create better security with less gaping holes in order to solve this problem (which always starts with penetration testing, kind of where we're at now), and the bag still looks like the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a car tire (of course, I could also be very wrong).

Usually I think all of this tends to strengthen us, especially when the awareness gains enough traction.