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The violent aspie

Earlier this week the Netherlands were shocked by the death of a volunteer soccer referee. The 41 year old was kicked and beaten to death by? 3 teens. Yes, Two 16-year olds and one 15-year old brutally kicked the good sir in the head while he was already down.

Needless to say, media is all over this all week. Because of that, I read an article earlier today about antisocial personality disorder and a claim by so-called experts, stating that men until the age of 24 are a bigger danger than afterwards that point of age.

This is the article (which I feel I deserve a medal for translating it, since Google translate does a terrible job)

Until age 24, many men are dangerous

Buitenboys against Nieuw Sloten ended in tragedy, with a linesman dead and three young players in jail. We can only guess about this irrational violence. SCP-director Paul Schnabel came to mind, when I saw him at a conference last month. He spoke about people with the ?fat I?, who cannot control this manifestation. Many don?t identify themselves with the officials, but live in a "high" of aggression, tension and testosterone. Schnabel said that this is due to the "intensification of existence". Young people are raised to be assertive. And a short fuse charaterizes this. The aggression against the "lower-ranking uniformed officials" is an epidemic. The social control decreases, the ?fat I? advancing. I traced that term back to the philosopher Harry Kunneman. The overfed, permanently discontented individuals, those withbindifferent, rude or even violent behavior claiming more and more space.

Over 13 percent have a personality disorder.

That short fuse is also to be found in psychiatry, within antisocial personality disorder. This disorder isn?t that rare. On average this manifests within 4,3 percent of men at some point in their lives. But in the group of 18-24 year olds is 13,3 percent. This is evident from the Nemesis-2 study of the Trimbos Institute. These guys cannot follow rules, are dishonest, lying, swindle, are impulsive, cannot think ahead, are aggressive, irritable, reckless, careless of others safety, irresponsible, have no regretfull feelings and seek causes outside themselves. Imagine you have to check their trainticket or address their violation of rules. This disorder decreases dramatically after the 24th year, to 4,9 percent. Apparently you grow out of it or you learn to manage it better. Experienced police officers refer to this as "three W's" (sic). The three W?s would be Woning, Werk and Wijf (which translates to; House, Job and Wife). If those are arranged they adapt themselves and outgrow their wild stage. Up until then, they can be a bigger danger.

How to recognize persistent aggressive youngsters is pretty much the holy grail of forensic psychiatry. ADHD has long been suspected as a component. This attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is associated with mood and anxiety disorders and learning disabilities. In adolescence, a quarter too aggressive. 5 to 6 percent of the youth population has ADHD. It?s up somewhere between 17 and 22 percent if you look at youngsters that live with special care. ADHD is hereditary, but also socially by promoting poor family circumstances, neglect, rejection, abuse. It turned out that the earlier youth behavioral problems manifest the greater the biological component - and the longer the problematic behavior continues. If the boys are only aggressive in their adolescence, then the intensity oftheir behavior is even bigger temporarily probably.

Now I know nothing of the players of Nieuwe Sloten. Perhaps they?re normal boys. And just as in Haren (A riot ensued due to out of hand Facebook invite; thousands showed up, just to cause havoc), for the kick went drinking and fighting. Rioting as fairground amusement seems to be the way to go now. The looters of Albert Heijn (Dutch Supermarket chain) also proved unable to think ahead. In sociology such an incident is called celebrating a 'moral holiday'. Violence as an experience, also for not explicitly disturbed youth.

And the big question: what are you gonna do about it? By coincidence last week ?Wat werkt nu werkelijk??( what does really work?) got released, which is a list of effective 'social interventions' for undesirable behavior. It also contained a focus on crime by criminologist Peter van der Laan (VU Amsterdam). He provides an instructive list of what in any case does not work. Pure retaliatory punishments, known in the Netherlands for the failed Glen Mills School, got nothing. Also fright programs involving youth prison visits, have no lasting effect. The same applies to house arrest with ankle bracelets and GPS monitoring. Survival Group tours affect individual performance in a group. But it does not lead to lasting different behavior. Also imprisonment may not have high expectations cherished. 90 percent of all prison sentences in the Netherlands are shorter than one month.

Van der Laan lists seven principles to which methods of intervention in the life of a young lawbreaker must satisfy. It has nothing to do with retaliation, he warns. Victims are not served by that either. The permanent change in behavior occurs mainly with training, for example cognitive skills. Three months twice a week an afternoon learning to think before acting. Or a lifestyle training for addicts, focused on self-control, staying away from dangerous situations and other behavioral choices. Or the course ?Respect Limits? referred to learning "sexual interaction skills?. Justice has a repertoire of 23 fully accredited behavioral interventions that the court may impose. Undoubtedly part of the public opinion will see these programs as ?cuddling criminals?. Which brings us back in the repression and rehabilitation debate, which we tirelessly go on and on about. Crime is a problem, for which no clear solutions exist, which was Schnabels conclusion. That's right, unfortunately.

So anyway, still reading? Good.

As some of you know my girlfriend is an aspie (well, therapists still argue over that, but for sake of the following story, she is). She clearly has more anxiety issues than me, and she certainly is a bit more social than me.

The reason I brought this article up was the following situation.

A few weeks ago, when I was out with my girlfriend at 2 in the night, some guy decided to light some fireworks. My girlfriend panicked and ran off crying. Clearly, she cannot deal with sudden stuff like that. I can?t deal with that either, but where she tried to run and hide, actually instead of thinking to comfort her, I went on to look who did it. My phasers were set to kill. And I?m quite sure that if I found anyone responsible for this it would?ve been a lot messier. Then, I got back to her and told her it was ok, since there was no one around. So far, no fireworks anymore.

Does that point out there is an inherent difference between aspies and the fight or flight response, as well as what was written in the article in terms of antisocial personality disorder and being on a high of testosterone? I know it?s not true for all male aspies, and I?m quite sure there are violent female aspies as well. But still, I think that this kind of semi-violent behavior, triggered by increased irritability and awareness of the senses actually is as much of a problem as the people who are actually targeting those senses just for the heck of it.

Of course those guys wouldn?t know that people came around the corner that were highly sensitive to this. But in that same ideal world, those guys would save their fireworks till new year?s eve.

Link to the article; https://www.nrc.nl/rechtenbestuur/2012/12/08/tot-hun-24ste-zijn-veel-mannen-gevaarlijk/ (dutch)
Glen Mills school (for anyone unaware of their existence); Glen Mills Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments

First off, I thank you for taking the time to translate that article. It was fascinating & I read every word. Clearly, there are no easy solutions to youth violence. Also there are conflicting agendas. There are those who don't seek to 'rehabilitate' violent young men: merely to contain & punish them. This short-sighted viewpoint may appeal to some people's sense of vengeance, but it ignores the impact it will have on society once these enraged, wrong-headed & impulsive offenders get released right back into society with no life skills! Then, there are those who think that solely so-called coddling-type programmes are the solution. While re-educating & training these youth is essential, they also must learn that their violent actions have unpleasant consequences (NOT just for the victims BUT for themselves). If a violent youth learns that all that will happen to him when he brutalizes someone is that he'll get sent away for a few months of 'happy camp', what is there to deter him from behaving in this manner?

As for violence & male Aspies, this is something that I've tried to discuss on this forum more than once. Since some Aspies here are very sensitive to any discussion of hard-hitting issues, it cannot be discussed. This is problematic since it means that the only people able to freely & openly discuss unpleasant or controversial aspects of life affecting Aspies are those who are NOT themselves Aspies! It is akin to disallowing Asians from discussing issues of concern to Asians amongst themselves while allowing non-Asians the liberty to discuss those topics & shape the discourse around them.

It seems politically incorrect for Aspies to admit that there may be a serious problem with our young men that we're just not looking at. I've noticed that many of them I've encountered here (I won't name anyone) harbour a dangerous combination of:

- extreme sexual frustration (can't get a live woman to give them the time of day let alone sleep with them!)
- Rage at being socially isolated, economically dependent, conventionally unattractive & lonely
- Misogynistic & generalized 'beliefs' about women.
- Very high intelligence that can be tinged with egocentrism, black & white thinking, excessive investment in their own opinions.
- Nihilistic & suicidal ideation.

Alarmingly, some of these same Aspies DO own & have easy access to a firearm. It doesn't take a genius to see how this emasculating, dangerous & humiliating combination could give rise to the mother of all meltdowns. You can also see how such an individual, who is smarter than most therapists, teachers & certainly relatives he encounters would be difficult to dissuade from his way of thinking. Also, such an individual, with much intelligence, plenty of alone time on his hands & a 'chip on his shoulder' could sit back & hatch a plot to teach some people a thing or two (& gain 'revenge' on the society that rejected him). In the west, pop-culture (many Aspie guys are obsessed with pop cultural motifs like Star Trek, Power Rangers etc.) is replete with hyper-masculine imagery & themes. The hero characters are all overly muscled & armed to the teeth. They solve their problems with violence AND they gain 'respect' & fame for it. In the absence of mush other input, these young men internalize some distorted & patently false ideals.

This issue has been my obsession for the past year or so but finding an outlet for discussing it in any depth with other Aspies is next to impossible. Thanks for at least being willing to broach the topic!
 

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