what would an aspie world look like?

[kchapman1988]

nothing feaseable i can think of other than selective gravity i cant tell you how sick i am of things falling on me or around me all the time..... why can't things stay as i put them

 

[King_Oni]

I don't know if I (or someone else adressed this)... soundproof... really soundproof... rooms/houses. I like to enjoy my music loud (without headphones) and I see no reason why my neighbour shouldn't also... but I don't really want them to hear my stuff (and vice versa). Soundproofing houses would be a start for living at least. I should however add in that our house is a bit noise as well as the neighbours... old houses and all.

Oh... and another one. How about police and/or other security people that at least have knowledge and an aspie-radar, lol. Just because I have a blank stare on my face, doesn't equal that I'm blasting full on drugs and that I'm having substances on me. This is both a reason for cops to have frisked me, as well as bouncers at clubs stopped me from entering (since I'm quite sure that it wasn't my choice of clothing that set them off).

 

[Soup]

I'm all for that. I have days when I can't seem to avoid spilling or knocking over everything I touch. Would be nice to drop an egg, for instance & simply have it float where I'd left it! No more change rolling all over the place. The end of coffee all over my counter tops. Nice!

 

[kchapman1988]

it happens so often round me its not funny, i would like to be able to move clothes, prop a broom up on something or even walk around without SOMETHING falling on or around me... this may sound stupid but i hate gravity ....

 

[Soup]

@King_Oni: Sound proofing is something we did selectively throughout our home as we rebuilt it. It really makes a big difference in the sense of privacy that we feel in here. Aspie architects would design homes like this as a matter of course. As for cops, having Aspie cops would be an interesting thing. They'd surely only interfere with people when absolutely necessary.

 

[Nolan1971]

They would make awesome detectives too! Great with details and deep focus on their case.

 

[Christian T]

the same happens to me, kapchapman, all the time! I can never get anything right the first time when I'm packing my bag, or gathering my things or something like that. And, Soup, I see exactly what you mean about the coins. I have so much change in my wallet because I'm so apprehensive about having people stare at me when I fumble with my coins. I have no idea why NTs think I need an audience when I'm doing that!

 

[kchapman1988]

christian t you would not believe how my i have cursed before now... 'WHY CAN'T SH!T STAY WHERE I F**KING PUT IT!' has been shouted more often than i care to admit.....

 

[Margaretha]

An aspie world would be a logical world:


Economic systems would be centered around what is good for the environment and not exploitation and destroying the earth for profits.

There would be global universal health care and education for everyone.

People would not be put in a position where they would have to go begging for meaningless employment. Everyone would have a place in society where they can contribute according to their abilities.

People would understand that no one can find happiness as long as there is so much struggling and suffering in the world.


The world we are living in now is totally illogical. War is illogical. The discrepancy between the rich and the poor is illogical

 

[Tarragon]

An aspie world would be a logical world:


Economic systems would be centered around what is good for the environment and not exploitation and destroying the earth for profits.

There would be global universal health care and education for everyone.

People would not be put in a position where they would have to go begging for meaningless employment. Everyone would have a place in society where they can contribute according to their abilities.

People would understand that no one can find happiness as long as there is so much struggling and suffering in the world.


The world we are living in now is totally illogical. War is illogical. The discrepancy between the rich and the poor is illogical

I agree! I just played a virtual stock market program today - no real money involved, but the stock values are mapped to real time stocks in the real market. I made $1200, and didn't have to do anything good to earn it! Crazy! Greed? I'd say that there's no connection between this way of making money and concern for anything else. If the stock market is the economic force driving the economy, I'd say we are totally based on money.

How to change the world away from this? Hard, I think.

 

[King_Oni]

The financial issue makes me wonder something interesting;

Is it that our world is based on money this much that we can't do without. Or is it that peoples mindsets are so revolved around money, that they believe they need it.

I actually think there has to be a change in mentality if anything. After that, I think it's fair to see if we can rebuild a world where money is less of a prominent player.

I barely know any people that do things because they want to better themselves personally. Money is the driving force for people to get out of bed. But similar to the question I posed earlier in this post. Isn't it so, that people are in it for the money, because they can only spend their time once. If you spend your time not making money... you are basically, not earning a living. That's how belief in money as well economy on a global scale go hand in hand.

I prefer to actually see a system like they have in Star trek (though I'm no big trekkie), where there just is no money (Picard pointed it out when they went back in the past in First Contact). Though it isn't really explained really in debt how everything works and how such order is established.

 

[Tarragon]

Well, if I had real money to "play" the stock market today... if be $1200 richer. My time, per hour would be worth $50 an hour, all day long... even when sleeping!

But, my time is worth so much more than that! I wouldn't want to have to do this every day for years, just to pay bills incurred because I needed somewhere to live near the market (ie London!) and a flash car to pose in etc!

having lost all my money when I lost my job a couple years back... I know I can speak with experience that the less money I had, the better I felt! Weird? Maybe, but life is much more precious than a number in a bank account...

I think money is a bad thing - I "made" enough profit from my today to knock the interest I would get putting it into a bank savings account for a whole YEAR into a paper hat! So, banks encourage us to save ... and pay us a days profit they make from using our money to deal in shares for a whole year!! They make 350 times more than the interest they pay out!
....then we are taxed on our days profit from the bank!

Yeah, give me the star trek world please! But, how to we measure "goodwill" to each other rather than what we "owe" each other??

Society is based on fear, control and slavery. Money let's us all be slaves to it.... :{

 

[Soup]

It would be wonderful to be living in a system in which money was not a factor. The problem with this is that nobody whomsoever; no theorist, economist, social engineer or philosopher I've ever seen has come up with a viable means by which this could be viable. There's Jacque Fresco, but even his system crumbles like a cheap suit when subjected to the least amount of critical thinking.

Even within small tribal societies, there are forms of currency & great inequalities (not always visible to the casual observer) because, despite our lofty & romantic ideals, humans are NOT all 'equal'. In a society wherein hunters feed the tribe, the best among them have great power & influence. there are those who are just plain bone idle who would refuse to do their fair share according to their abilities & who'd just coast along profiting from those who must work harder to compensate for their laziness. There are those whose abilities & talents surpass most people around them who would earn greater amounts of whatever forms of currency the society has established be it power & influence, money or other privileges.

IMO, money (like fire & water) are neutral forces. It's in their usage & the intentions of the user that it can become a good or bad thing. When using it to pay your kids' school fees, pay the mortgage & put food on the table, it's a good thing & I'm so glad we can do this. I've seen the kinds of crises that the lack of sufficient funds to meet basic needs can cause. If someone uses the same money to hire some nut to go shoot their husband (boss or whomever) it is a terrible thing.

I think that a BIG part of the problems surrounding money is really that ordinary people aren't really taught bugger all about it, don't understand it, expect it to magically make all their problems vanish, make them happy & do all sorts of impossible things & attribute almost supernatural powers to it. If you're an unhappy person, a financial windfall may make you happier briefly BUT soon your happiness level will drop to right where it was. This isn't my opinion but a documented fact. Most people who win millions in lotteries are, within a mere 5 years, in a worse position financially than they were before they won the money. Many regret having won in the first place! Then there are those who do win or their business takes off & they earn a ton of money. Suddenly, they're able to do things people in their social circle or their family cannot afford to do. Every broke relative comes out of the woodwork expecting loans (that they'll never pay back). The problem isn't so much the money BUT people's skewed expectations & greed.

 

[Margaretha]

The problem with any kind of currency is not that it exists, but how it is used.

Every human being deserves access to shelter, food, medical care and education, beyond that it is up to the individual to improve his/her life.

Money is power and when 1% of the population controls over 90% of the wealth, that is dangerous and has very bad implications for people and the environment.

Back in the 50's, wealthy people had enough money to live the lifestyle of the rich. that was OK and something to aspire to.

Today wealthy people in the USA have more money than they could spend in many lifetimes. Many of them use their money to influence the government.

Individual people and corporations should not have that kind of power. It is really scary.

 

[Tarragon]

The problem with any kind of currency is not that it exists, but how it is used.

Every human being deserves access to shelter, food, medical care and education, beyond that it is up to the individual to improve his/her life.

Money is power and when 1% of the population controls over 90% of the wealth, that is dangerous and has very bad implications for people and the environment.

Back in the 50's, wealthy people had enough money to live the lifestyle of the rich. that was OK and something to aspire to.

Today wealthy people in the USA have more money than they could spend in many lifetimes. Many of them use their money to influence the government.

Individual people and corporations should not have that kind of power. It is really scary.

Money is only useful up to a point. A starving person, given the choice, would rather have food. I love films and stories, where the rich man ends up cast aside because he has nothing useful to give others when the system breaks down...

 

[supernova]

Loomis, that sounds too good to be true! The only ads that come close to that are the ones for the Dyson Vacuum cleaners featuring James Dyson. The thing he doesn't tell you in the ads is that the vacuum is cost prohibitive. I tested his & I tested the Shark: bought the latter, saved 300$ & never looked back.

Products that said 'contains X Y Z would contain only X Y Z as stated. No more 'made with real fruit' on something made mostly of petroleum, red dye #9 & a shaving of rind from a rotted lemon. No more 'this ______ is a part of this complete breakfast ads' (so is a fistful of cat hair IF I sprinkle it on your toast!) Aspies with an OCD for cleaning & germs would be recruited to ensure that public lavatories are up to snuff.

Imagine never getting poked, prodded, having your arm rubbed, your ear whispered in, your cheeks pinched or kissed, someone's hairy arm casually tossed over your shoulder (I know this is a NT gesture of bonhomie) or draped through your arm. I'm ready to pack my bags & move there now.

Me too!

Also, schools and workplaces where you know exactly what you are doing and where you are doing it each day. No sudden surprises - in fact 'surprises' banned by law.

 

[Soup]

Most surprises tend to be shocks. A predictable schedule would greatly improve the organization & efficiency of most institutions.

 

[King_Oni]

But the notion of "surprise" to each person might be different. Earlier this year I was "surprised" by a letter of the tax office. Apparently, a few years ago I messed up something with filing em. Yes... my own fault, but still, it made up for a surprise.

The way to "ban" surprises, in any way, would be to make a system that's so foolproof that people can't go wrong, there's no room for interpretation, and as such there's no risk of ending up "you should've read the small print" as such. Everything has to be explicit and clear, no hidden agendas and total transparency.

 

[gilstamp]

Actually, there may not even be money with its convoluted rules and laws and incitement to criminality. The main justification given by capitalists for the necessity of monetary economy is to keep people working with the threat of starvation if they don't. Aspies mostly cannot bear to be idle and seem to be responsible for most of the inventions and worthwhile cultural contributions throughout history. Such an economy would be productive enough to provide for the disabled and trade in kind.

Just think, everything since the beginning of human development would have been motivated differently and we would have had a much healthier society.

On another note, I think that there is enough evidence to suggest that that state of affairs may have been possible at one time. Have you considered that AS genes may have belonged to a successful race, similar to the Neanderthals? Our current situation could be the result of incomplete hybridisation. Those with extreme autism seems evidence of that. I could go on but will leave it to discussion.

 

[Soup]

" Everything has to be explicit and clear, no hidden agendas and total transparency."-King_Oni

YES! This is exactly what needs to happen. The way laws (from municipal bylaws to federal laws) are written, they're so vague, contradictory & illogical that it is virtually impossible to even obey them! Knowing what laws apply even in relatively simple situations (like renovating our home) is incredibly difficult & you wind up entangled in a mass of red tape. For us Aspies who prefer things to be clear & sensible, dealing with any branch of the gov't becomes a foray into insanity.