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Pretty exciting about what I am finding out

William Weiler

William Weiler

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This goes against conventional wisdom and I can get into trouble for sure. In fact I already got kicked out of a Zoom seminar for basically saying what I was doing in my life. I vacillated back on forth on why I was kicked out (asked to leave by instructor, a suggestion, not mean spirited in anyway, but the referral she gave me was revealing to say the least) and talked to many people about it, so not what you think (if you ARE thinking that).

I hit on idiot/savant. I found someone whos brother was crazy successful in business who has the same talents as me, but maybe quite a bit better. I had two questions my whole life: 1) why don't people believe I can do what I do, despite doing it in front of them? 2) why do people give me no creditability, and often look down on me?

My understanding is complex, but my idiot phase triggers a sense I am incompetent. I come across as not credible. My savant phase is beyond what anyone believes someone can do. It is met with disbelief or anger, or in the case of people at work, depression. They see it as something they could never achieve.

I want to find more people like me. It has been really lonely not being understood or acknowledged all these years.

The danger is people are invested in the classic ideas. They will not like at all what I am saying. This post could get removed as offensive or controversial.
 
Wolfage - no not really. Maybe an example. I did a crowdfunding project of an inch cube robot. I was told by someone I knew that he felt he could never do it. He did FPGA's (programmable circuits) on satellites for a living and was very well thought of. So that is the savant part. But I very absent minded. I asked the CEO to do a town hall (communication meeting) and he said agreed. Then I totally forgot about and missed it, even though I asked for it. A typical person can't make this robot, and a typical person would likely remember to attend they meeting they asked for. (It was very important to me, and I still forgot). Idiot meant back then - to be unable to do something. The word idiot has changed, and now it is an insult. It happens. Erection meant a building (something erected) in the 1800s. Yikes! Not what it means now.
 
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Wolfage - no not really. Maybe an example. I did a crowdfunding project of an inch cube robot. I was told by someone I knew that he felt he could never do it. He did FPGA's (programmable circuits) on satellites for a living and was very well thought of. So that is the savant part. But I very absent minded. I asked the CEO to do a town hall (communication meeting) and he said agreed. Then I totally forgot about and missed it, even though I asked for it. A typical person can't make this robot, and a typical person would likely remember to attend they meeting they asked for. (It was very important to me, and I still forgot). Idiot meant back then - to be unable to do something. The word idiot has changed, and now it is an insult. It happens. Erection meant a building (something erected) in the 1800s. Yikes! Not what it means now.
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Genius has it "quirks". I have had similar experiences to your own. We're still human mistakes happen.
 
I get those responses too, William, idiot savant, my idiocy convinces them I'm stupid, and when I prove I'm not, they ain't happy. Seriously not happy. They know we're not of their clan, nuffin you can do bout that, it's a clan based world.
 
The parents at the zoom were funneling their kids into disability. They we primarily concerned with their kids fitting into society. Many were clearly upset about their child's diagnosis, as if it meant a life of pain and ostracization. I told them by not focusing on ABA (still doing it) and instead focusing on distractions and my son's needs, and especially encouragement and support, he began doing well in school instead of failing. I then said when he did this behavior, bolting under the table, I asked him what was wrong, and how did he feel? They became visibly upset. When I told them he wasn't being including in games at school, and instead, I am having him focus on a "best" friend, someone interrupted me and told me this was not the focus of the group and to be quiet. The psychologist told me this has to be a "safe" place, and said I should go. The referral she gave me was to a vocational disability specialist (for me). But I have been at my job for 3yrs. The psychologist was the real deal, a PhD in Autism. The stories of their kids were not low functioning, they were all in primary schools, getting ABA and not failing. This weird belief that if society doesn't accept you, you are doomed. If one person rejects you, you have no life. This was 4 parents and me. Now it is controversial.
 
I want to be clear. I have a ton of friends. They are amazingly supportive. Everyone who works with me likes me. My CEO likes me. Me trying to fit in a typical elementary or high school is a fail. What about this forum? Loaded with friends.

I want to move forward into this better future, not get hung up on what happened before.

unperson I think you get it. Find your place were your friends are and have fun. Stop trying to please a bunch of douche bags and forget about them.

Edit: that is a good bumper sticker. "Stop trying to please a bunch of douche bags"
 
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Some autism groups are heavily anti-autism, despite labelling themselves as support groups, also parent support does NOT mean support for people with autism, even if you are a parent.
 
I don't know if I can really blame anyone. They see their kids suffer socially and it is horrible for them. One guy was clearly in pain over his child's diagnosis, it was new. They think the workplace is grade school or high school on steroids.

This seminar was something about understanding ABA for parents to help their kids. The focus was parents helping their kids, that is why I signed up. I was the only Autism parent, although another parent has a Autistic husband. I definitely suffer from frustration, I noticed when it intense (yeah, it feels really bad), people can be frightening of me, as if I will attack them. It is understandable if they think I no one would want to suffer this way, and being disabled is best. But for one thing, the boredom would kill me, and I could never do the things I dream (I am a major dreamer and my dreams aren't affordable). But each person must choose what they want for themselves. It is morally wrong to impose my choice on others. I just say it, and I am done. I was on disability for 6 years ($800 month), but not b/c of Autism. So I know both.
 
Yes it's hard to understand the overwhelming fear of difference some people experience. But it seems to run very deep for NTs. To the point where they often quickly and automatically class difference as problematic or disabling.

And also you highlight a significant problem with some so called autism experts, who actually don't understand autism at all, and are intent on deepening the confusion that leads to a lifetime of being schooled in How To Seem Normal/ Neurotypical for the doubly unfortunate offspring of those who consult these sham gurus.

We are different. We are uneven. We are untypical. Get over it. See the positives in who we are. Help us, don't suppress and hinder us. Good for you @William Weiler, keep advocating for your child, you are doing a great job.
 
Thinx - thanks. I got the initial idea from Autism speaks. I communicated with this story. Should someone missing an arm wear a prosthetic so people aren't frightened?, or should people get used to a missing arm and see it as normal? I like the latter because there is nothing wrong about a missing arm.
 
The group session had a very narrow remit and didn't explain or request in enough detail their rationale to not talk outside that narrow subject matter. Perhaps it was run by a company whose only product that is? Perhaps you were misled by some party into joining it. Or its probable information benefit to you despite its structure, was misrepresented to you. Expecting you and me to stick to the script when we haven't been given the script.

Yes we are more than averagely uneven. I'm alarmed when people recognise my quick intuition but get compacent on my behalf as if I don't need their help realising and even expressing my ideas, or assuming my ideas aren't going to benefit them as well as me.

I don't press anyone's buttons and no-one presses mine, but the "world" expects button pressing problems to be solved wholly within the button pressing system, contra Godel.

It's only recently I knew what intuition is and that I have it. It's also only recently that I'm discovering logic - if only everyone else would too!

Words being one of my dozens of special interests, I have a wide vocabulary (coupled with received pronunciation, due to forebears over several generations getting together from widely different places, and lots of changes of religion in the family) but this is not the same as articulacy.
 
Finally in relation to what has already been said, there is simply group mindset which can form and then mob compliance sets in and all of the sudden you are suddenly playing the role of what they assigned you. l do know l personally go off track and l force myself to stay on topic. But l enjoy getting laughs so l am trying to rearrange thoughts for fun.
 
Finally in relation to what has already been said, there is simply group mindset which can form and then mob compliance sets in and all of the sudden you are suddenly playing the role of what they assigned you. l do know l personally go off track and l force myself to stay on topic. But l enjoy getting laughs so l am trying to rearrange thoughts for a comedic outcome.
 
I relate. I'm really kind of a dunce in some areas and blindingly brilliant in other areas. I'm also very honest and upfront about this with my closest friends. I get the impression sometimes that when I say "I'm not good at X" they think I mean "I suck at everything and I'm a terrible person"...which isn't true. I'm just not good at X. I'll blow your mind with my skills in Y and Z. And I darned well know it, too. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm not good at X.

There are some things..."basic life and social skills" things...that I'm just not good at. But I'm good enough, because I live independently, have a stable, well paying job and money in the bank. I'm not failing at life. But my apartment is a mess, I regularly accumulate piles of unopened mail, and my diet consists of one thing for each meal, or takeout. So sue me.

It sounds like that group you found is not so great. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of those "parent" groups are like that...and who can blame them when they've had A$ propaganda shoved down their throats for decades? They've all been taught that autism is a tragedy and that the only way to help us is to make us conform and call it improvement.
 
@William Weiler: I think a lot of us on the spectrum can relate. One of the hallmarks of someone who is autistic is "asymmetrical intelligence". Anyone who has gone through the process of cognitive performance testing by a professional, and has shared the results, will often show performance/IQ results quite discordant,...IQ of 110 here, 150 there, 90 in another area, and so on. Sometimes it's not on an IQ scale, but a percentile scale, 50th percentile, 90th percentile, and so on. It's this deviation, or inconsistency, that professionals are looking for during their assessment,...and ultimately a diagnosis.

I, for sure, am this way. My pattern recognition skills are well above the 100th percentile, but my verbal skills are 68th percentile. I have a very, very difficult time discussing mechanical ventilator waveform graphics with a physician,...as I am seeing things within seconds that it may, in some cases, take a team of physicians some 6 months to confirm. Very frustrating.

I can go on and on about my daily life,...my wife is so good at simply picking up and filling in the gaps with family and friends, answering the door, completing my sentences, answering the phone, etc. At work,...it's a bit more difficult, but many of my close co-workers know I am on the spectrum and give me some grace.

We have an ophthalmologist that does our neonatal eye exams. This guy is absolutely brilliant, and in the operating room with a cold laser,...precision. He is very much autistic,...needing a private nurse to literally take him by the hand from patient to patient. I know he has a difficult time speaking with other physicians. We have a shared diagnosis and will often have professional and non-professional conversations. His nurse just gushes on how he just loves me and is always talking about me,...makes me feel pretty good.
 
Neonatal RRT said:
I, for sure, am this way. My pattern recognition skills are well above the 100th percentile, but my verbal skills are 68th percentile. I have a very, very difficult time discussing mechanical ventilator waveform graphics with a physician,...as I am seeing things within seconds that it may, in some cases, take a team of physicians some 6 months to confirm. Very frustrating.
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I'm similar (different subjects, but similar recognition). I constantly have to remind myself that no, the person I'm talking to is not completely incompetent, I'm above the curve in this area and things that are blatantly obvious to me are things that they'd possibly never pick up on. I often find myself thinking how are you not seeing this? What is wrong with you??? (Especially where politics is concerned...:confused:)
 
Having this Autistic thing makes us come across as contradictory and flaky. Because we excel at certain things but may flunk an interview or social nuances or we have transitory social skills ( mostly great, but once a month l should stay silent).
 
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