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Male vs. Female Aspies

I know what you mean
The first Psychologist I saw said I had all the hallmarks of AS except I had too much empathy so he said I don't fit the whole test but then went onto say he was not really qualified in the area so could not give a professional diagnosis. I felt unaffirmed and misunderstood.So I went to one that was a registered with the Autism society to give a diagnosis and she said I was AS. I felt happy affirmed and understood. Then this website only makes me feel more normal and not alone. If there was a cure I would not want it I love the way I am my querky ways and empathy and honesty etc etc. I am tied of all the insincere ******** and meaningless conversational rituals that is often a trait of NT's

Glad you connected with someone who "got it." So often we don't get NTs, who don't get us, either. NTs find their routines and conventions as comforting to them as we do ours. Diff'rent strokes, eh? It's when we meet that there's a problem.
 
I know what you mean
The first Psychologist I saw said I had all the hallmarks of AS except I had too much empathy so he said I don't fit the whole test but then went onto say he was not really qualified in the area so could not give a professional diagnosis. I felt unaffirmed and misunderstood.So I went to one that was a registered with the Autism society to give a diagnosis and she said I was AS. I felt happy affirmed and understood. Then this website only makes me feel more normal and not alone. If there was a cure I would not want it I love the way I am my querky ways and empathy and honesty etc etc. I am tied of all the insincere ******** and meaningless conversational rituals that is often a trait of NT's
My final diagnoses came from a psychologist, too. The first time I was told I might be AS, was by a social worker. She was not qualified to diagnose me so she referred me for a screening with a psychiatrist. He said I might have it, then I went for a full battery of testing but was told after all that, that I had complex PTSD but not Aspergers. So a few years later I went to a place specializing in Aspegers and Autism and finally got my affirming diagnosis, too!
 
I am not sure if I am an aspie, but I am a transsexual and have noted interesting behavioral changes following my social transition.

When I was living as a boy it would be an understatement to say I was socially awkward. Approaching new people was terrifying for me and engaging with groups was confusing. People persistently presumed that I was either constantly high or mentally retarded as I seemed generally aloof and didn't speak much.

Upon transitioning I suddenly found it much easier to socialize and actually became quite talkative. As part of my transition I consciously altered my vocal modulation patterns and adopted a "sing song" pattern, as opposed to my previous monotone. I also began to naturally pick up on female mannerisms. In summary; I am much more socially adept as a woman than I ever was as a boy. I am not sure if this is the result of my resocialization or because I am now more comfortable with myself.
 
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I am not sure if I am an aspie, but I am a transsexual and have noted interesting behavioral changes following my social transition.

When I was living as a boy it would be an understatement to say I was socially awkward. Approaching new people was terrifying for me and engaging with groups was confusing. People persistently presumed that I was either constantly high or mentally retarded as I seemed generally aloof and didn't speak much.

Upon transitioning I suddenly found it much easier to socialize and actually became quite talkative. As part of my transition I consciously altered my vocal modulation patterns and adopted a "sing song" pattern, as opposed to my previous monotone. I also began to naturally pick up on female mannerisms. In summary; I am much more socially adept as a woman than I ever was as a boy. I am not sure if this is the result of my renationalisation or because I am now more comfortable with myself.
Aspies and gender identity is a pretty interesting subject. Apparently quite a few are either asexual, trans, or some motley.

I am your reverse. I find male posture and behaviour more comfortable and it much easier to be a guy than a girl. I ain't got the grace for to be a woman! :yum: (So I may ask for pointers later on.)
 
I am female aspie. I score above neurotypical for correct interpretation of facial expression and verbal tonality at around 80. Nt's score around 50 and aspie men (who most of the research has been done on score lower at around 40-50.) I think the reason I scored higher is because I am female and we are expected as a gender to be more social;so therefore, I have had to learn by myself over the years (I'm 49 and newly diagnosed 6 months ago) how to read people. I have also taught myself to listen more to NTs during conversations and to try to be interested in what they are talking about even if I am not interested at all. I also try to not get too fixated on one subject and not talk too much about a subject that may not be interesting to them. Conversation is like a tennis match. I make a couple of comments and then hit the ball back to them for comment. This as well as good grooming habits and dressing fashionably ( I stick to black because it is easy to pair up. And keep it simple). I find that all of this helps me blend better.

I find that some men have been bullied so much that the norm for them might be to exercise silence instead of talking a lot like female aspies. They tend to blend in as just highly intelligent people who are a little different. Most of my friends are other aspies even if they are not diagnosed. By our age of around 50, we learn how to work in our awkwardness in social situations. My sensory sensitivities however are another story. The agitation of audible and visual sensitivities have worsened in the past 10 years and it worsens during my girly time of the month which I am sure males do not deal with on a month to month basis.
 
Aspies and gender identity is a pretty interesting subject. Apparently quite a few are either asexual, trans, or some motley.

I am your reverse. I find male posture and behaviour more comfortable and it much easier to be a guy than a girl. I ain't got the grace for to be a woman! :yum: (So I may ask for pointers later on.)

Said it before and I'll say it again...

You always remind me of this fine lady (well, maybe not the singing and in the best possible way) :p

 
Said it before and I'll say it again...

You always remind me of this fine lady (well, maybe not the singing and in the best possible way) :p

I have a new role model! I'm certainly nuts enough to scamper about a moving vehicle, I'm that twitchy, graceful enough to fall down over nothing, and about the same accent (when it stays put for a bit). If only I could sing that well.
 
I'm a bit of a mix. I look very female, but don't really talk or think like one. I have an equal mix of interests considered 'male' and 'female' (even if I've never really understood why they should be 'male' and 'female'). Even looking at 'aspie' lists of male and female traits I identify with both. As a child, I had 'normal' girl obsessions alongside odd, obscure things like cicadas, dinosaurs and Commodore 64s

I do know that once, I would have been indistinguishable from a male aspie, but as I aged, undiagnosed, I had to adapt. Adaptation and 'passing' meant survival of my self esteem and my personal safety

I think that Aspie girls and woman present differently because their experience of life is different. We have different expectations put on us, are treated differently, we have to consider different threats and dangers and different reactions to life and people are expected of us. It's not that we are different, I think its our lives that are different and as a result, our coping strategies differ.

As to my thought process I wish I could order it as logically as my literature collection. It's a lot less ordered than I would like. I lose things in it all the time
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I wonder whether being a late diagnosis is due to being happier to be different from others. More willing to be someone other's aren't going to approve of, or like as a result. That I would find autism applicable to me, and be diagnosed!
I suppose I wanted to be a girl when I was young. Pretty screwed up how that idea came up, actually. My Mum told me that boys turn into girls at around the age of 10 or just after, and I was excited because it seemed interesting but my Mum didn't correct herself. I had to find out by myself.
I think she said those things because she saw me as having female mannerisms, often saying 'you should have been born a girl'! Maybe she's right though; or, it could be that my genetics aren't entirely male. Like I could have XXY cromesomes, or actually be a female with male organs... confusing since I like woman. I have often identified myself as a lesbian. Might be true?
Confusing!!
 
I wonder whether being a late diagnosis is due to being happier to be different from others. More willing to be someone other's aren't going to approve of, or like as a result. That I would find autism applicable to me, and be diagnosed!
I suppose I wanted to be a girl when I was young. Pretty screwed up how that idea came up, actually. My Mum told me that boys turn into girls at around the age of 10 or just after, and I was excited because it seemed interesting but my Mum didn't correct herself. I had to find out by myself.
I think she said those things because she saw me as having female mannerisms, often saying 'you should have been born a girl'! Maybe she's right though; or, it could be that my genetics aren't entirely male. Like I could have XXY cromesomes, or actually be a female with male organs... confusing since I like woman. I have often identified myself as a lesbian. Might be true?
Confusing!!

As long as you accept yourself this way, and as long as you have no problems with it, you're fine. You would be probably diagnosed with gender dysphoria or what not. But, as far as I know, current treatment mostly includes acceptance, even though some specialists may still support old beliefs. When I was very young between ages 2 and 5 or so, I felt as if I was a very old man in a little girl's body. Then I started feeling that I could be a boy on inside and pretended to be a boy frequently, after 13 I started coming to terms with my female body and started loving the way I was. But on inside I still felt mostly a man with some female qualities. I think the feeling came from associating myself mostly with males. I love it this way. Sometimes it can be annoying, but I mostly love it. And I think it's totally fine, even normal, the only thing that might require treatment in cases like mine or yours is when a person is in distress because of it, or because of discrimination.
I know you didn't seem to ask anything in the post, so I guess I just wanted to share my experience on this thread, just like you did.
 
I can't answer all the others, but this question I will have a shot at. My personal observations about being a female on the spectrum, have been that 99% of the time I am disbelieved when I say that I have Asperger's. Or people try to say things like, "OH, I get that way too," when I describe sensory issue or intolerance of prolonged social interactions. I have acted for so long, that now people have a hard time seeing how hard it is for me.

Personal stories; one was that I was temporarily seeing a counselor at the county crisis office (it was free so I decided to try it) and the counselor, an otherwise personable young woman kept doubting that I was on the spectrum. I finally told her that I would be in to see her once more, but that I wouldn't be coming back because I was tired of countering her doubts instead of receiving the support I sought. I have begun to brace myself for the inevitable doubting, and been practicing saying, "It's not up for debate."

I get the exact same reaction ie oh I am like that but lol I am not autistic and I think: I guess you are just not aware of how flipping dismissive you sound, but of course, never say so!

Bravo for standing up to this therapist!
 
Honestly, I'm finding Asperger's resources to be largely skewed TOWARD women. I'd like to read anything related to male Aspies. Best I've been able to find is this from Rudy Simone:
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I think this hits it dead on the head.

I agree with Progster. Female aspies may be better at "passing" due to social performance skills. And there may be less tolerance given to female aspies because women are expected to be social caretakers. The quiet lone independent man can be seen (at least in the U.S.) as a sort of mysterious respected strong person (think of the cowboy). A less-social female loner is often viewed as a pitiful social reject. And then there's the numbers thing. I am finding it hard to find other ASD women in my community to talk with. It's lonely.

I feel so validated by this well said comment, thank you for that. I currently don't have a very strong support system in my life and I'm new to this site, so the level of understanding I've come across in the small amount of threads I've read so far is overwhelming.

I can't answer all the others, but this question I will have a shot at. My personal observations about being a female on the spectrum, have been that 99% of the time I am disbelieved when I say that I have Asperger's. Or people try to say things like, "OH, I get that way too," when I describe sensory issue or intolerance of prolonged social interactions. I have acted for so long, that now people have a hard time seeing how hard it is for me.

Personal stories; one was that I was temporarily seeing a counselor at the county crisis office (it was free so I decided to try it) and the counselor, an otherwise personable young woman kept doubting that I was on the spectrum. I finally told her that I would be in to see her once more, but that I wouldn't be coming back because I was tired of countering her doubts instead of receiving the support I sought. I have begun to brace myself for the inevitable doubting, and been practicing saying, "It's not up for debate."

I can relate. I've wondered if my timing could be better when informing someone that I have AS, but as I've tried different approaches, nothing seems to help. I've tried disclaiming it before any misunderstandings happen, hoping it would lessen the chance of coming across poorly but all that seems to do is alienate people. I become an unsolvable mystery, placed in the 'unknown' category, which is generally something people fear. Since I've mentioned it at the beginning, they don't know of any redeeming qualities yet that I may have, and now that they're aware that I'm helplessly abnormal, they don't care to stick around and find them.

My mostly NT older sister told me, "Don't start off telling people you're autistic; there's just nowhere to go from there," and that's what drew my focus to timing in the first place. If I wait until after a misunderstanding happens, hoping to clear it up somewhat, it just seems to be an additional trait they add to the one that they've concluded caused the fallout I'm attempting to resolve and it's a death sentence to the formerly budding relationship.

I'm finding that there are so many different factors involved in developing friendships that as much of it is up to chance and circumstance as it is up to the moves we make, sometimes even more. We have to first meet someone who either understands autism well enough to not be uncomfortable with not knowing about it, or who doesn't mind not knowing long enough to learn, the latter of which can be influenced by how things played out in the relationship so far. For example, if interactions led to the expression of some of your more endearing qualities that would be incentive for someone to want to find out more about you as a person, which would include learning about AS.

It isn't always in out power to prevent a misunderstanding from happening before our more desirable qualities are revealed and even less so the more socially inept one is, so I often feel at the mercy of the wind. It can be terrifying, frustrating, hopeless, chaotic, isolating and just miserable in general among numerous other things, so I have to find consistent stability (something Aspies tend to have a more intense need for) somewhere else. I am not in control of how people react to me, but I am in control of how I respond to those reactions. As long as I focus on what I can control, which is what I believe and how I conduct myself, I don't lose control and get frantic. I suppose this could be considered one of those practical obsessions mentioned in AsheSkyler's post.

I get the exact same reaction ie oh I am like that but lol I am not autistic and I think: I guess you are just not aware of how flipping dismissive you sound, but of course, never say so!

Bravo for standing up to this therapist!

Sometimes announcing you're on the spectrum is interpreted as asking for special treatment and most people are resistant to exerting the extra effort this requires unless it benefits them amply. So that response likely was intended to be dismissive - not to your identity or struggle, but moreso to the perceived request.

I've had checkered diagnoses as well. I'm 35 and still don't have an official diagnosis as a result. Getting a diagnosis and disability income would significantly help me function well enough to jump through the hoops required to get diagnosed. It's a catch 22 situation.
 
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I can't answer all the others, but this question I will have a shot at. My personal observations about being a female on the spectrum, have been that 99% of the time I am disbelieved when I say that I have Asperger's. Or people try to say things like, "OH, I get that way too," when I describe sensory issue or intolerance of prolonged social interactions. I have acted for so long, that now people have a hard time seeing how hard it is for me.

Personal stories; one was that I was temporarily seeing a counselor at the county crisis office (it was free so I decided to try it) and the counselor, an otherwise personable young woman kept doubting that I was on the spectrum. I finally told her that I would be in to see her once more, but that I wouldn't be coming back because I was tired of countering her doubts instead of receiving the support I sought. I have begun to brace myself for the inevitable doubting, and been practicing saying, "It's not up for debate."

I could have written that first paragraph word for word!
 
My personal observations about being a female on the spectrum, have been that 99% of the time I am disbelieved when I say that I have Asperger's. Or people try to say things like, "OH, I get that way too," when I describe sensory issue or intolerance of prolonged social interactions. I have acted for so long, that now people have a hard time seeing how hard it is for me.

One of the compelling reasons I sought a formal diagnosis was to avoid just this problem. No one believes me because I am so social and intuitive; however I am doing all this with my intellect, which gets exhausted. I reached the point where I was destroying my immune system.

Growing up as an undiagnosed Aspie girl, I often think we get the worst of both worlds. A guy living in a remote mountain cabin with only a dog is the hero of the action movie! A woman doing that, only with a cat, will turn out to be the villain :)

I'm cis-het, but still got into so much trouble because I hated wearing uncomfortable clothes and lying my behind off to appear a "proper young lady." It didn't help that I was raised in a culture that had extreme gender roles. The only part that worked for me, instead of against me, was that I was allowed to be shy.

I think our society has completely UN-Aspie expectations for women.
 
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