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I think most people are secretly bisexual

"Not to mention that a whole lot of “straight men” find the whole girl on girl lesbian” sex fantasy hot. So the myth is continually perpetrated."

To be honest, I know a lot of straight women (myself included) who enjoy man-man action just as much! I could never find straight porn I liked when I was growing up, since most of it was designed for men to watch, so I grew up swapping gay magazines with a couple of other girls instead! I still struggle to find normal 'vanilla' straight porn where the women don't act and look like ridiculous submissive Barbie dolls!

"Eventually I realized what was motivating me to do these whore-ific things had no root in homosexuality at all - I'd been around gay men enough to know I did not think like them. I did these things because they were to my mind the most humiliating, shameful, and degrading thing I could imagine and that turned me on. I didn't want to be with men, but I needed to in order to hurt myself psychologically. I guess it's a form of masochism maybe."

You could just find a domme who's happy to use strap ons and do all of that stuff. Or do you get more out of the humiliation side if a man is involved specifically because you're not attracted to him?

Sorry, I didn't see this until now.

Thank you for the suggestion. I've been fascinated by the Femdom thing for a long time actually. I think it's beautiful, romantic even sometimes.

In life I definitely target women I percieve as dominant. And then in relationships I try to encourage any such tendencies as much as I can.

But these aren't "dominatrices." Almost none of this finds its way into our sex life unfortunately. Me having to work within HFA-related constraints doesn't help, I'm terrible at this kind of thing. For the most part I've just settled for vanilla sex.

These girls are not into the kind of thing we're talking about. And if I made some effort to get them into it they'd only be accommodating my own wishes.

Strap-ons wouldn't be a part of any Domme/sub scenario I was involved in where my own preference was a consideration. If it was important to her I'd do it, but I think most of the time when one of these Dommes uses one on a guy it's because that's what HE wants. IDK though, I haven't made the effort to plug into the scene that's necessary to bring about experiences of my own.

Oh, and I know exactly what you mean about the porn actresses. They almost never do or say any of the kinds of things I'm hoping they will.
 
"In life I definitely target women I percieve as dominant. And then in relationships I try to encourage any such tendencies as much as I can. But these aren't "dominatrices." Almost none of this finds its way into our sex life unfortunately. Me having to work within HFA-related constraints doesn't help, I'm terrible at this kind of thing. For the most part I've just settled for vanilla sex. These girls are not into the kind of thing we're talking about. And if I made some effort to get them into it they'd only be accommodating my own wishes."

I would advise against chasing women that act dominant in public if you want that in a relationship. In my experience, most women who are dominant in the bedroom tend not to seem all that dominant in real life. The women I've met (including myself) who fall into the 'naturally dominant' group are generally pretty laid back, nerdy or even quiet in real life. The more dominant I get to be in a relationship, the more chilled out and reserved I tend to be at work or elsewhere as I get to play out that side of myself at home. I doubt anyone would guess what I'm like behind closed doors just by meeting me in public. In fact, I tend to attract the wrong sort of men because they assume I'm a 'cute, submissive, wifey' type and are then disappointed to find out I'm not. On the other hand, the women I know who are very gregarious, socially dominant, seemingly assertive types all prefer to play the submissive role at home. I would suggest just being up front when you meet someone and asking what (if any) role they prefer to take on at home if that's something that's important to you.
 
I had a gay moment yesterday, the last one before that was 3 years ago. I didn't do anything I just thought something and felt a bit strange!
 
Only a little bit bisexual. I can find other men sexually attractive, but I probably won't seek a relationship or sexual relations with them. I will fantasize about it, though. :p

i'm a lot bisexual.i probably won't seek a sexual relationship with them either,especially when they make me so sexually tense,i would pounce on them like a wild animal in the jungle :bearface: :leopard: :tiger: :tigerface:.
 
Sexual reactions are strange for me.
I've had many flirtations from both men and women, some proposals for marriage
from both sexes and some just right out laying it on the line what they wanted- sex.

I'm fine with that.
I consider myself asexual as I don't get aroused or want anything more than
cuddles or playful touching and flirting.
I enjoy this from either sex and thinking back over a lifetime, I would say there
have been more incidents of this nature from same sex or bisexuals.
 
I’m definitely gay. I have no attraction towards women at all. If you showed me a photo with a woman in a bikini next to a guy in a tiny Speedo, I’ll be staring at the guy and not even notice the woman.
 
I'm asexual, so I'm not *sexually* attracted to anyone. I find certain people aesthetically pleasing but I'm more attracted to outstanding personalities.

I've always tried to convince myself that I'm 100% straight, but that was when I was thinking about dating within the stereotypical sense... but as far as emotional connections go, then yeah, I'm probably bi or maybe even more invested in girls. I've learned that my preferences for emotional bonding and companionship are more fluid and definitely not only hetero. Women are also sometimes really adorable and cuddly, most men are not "adorable" and a lot of men think cuddling is foreplay. Lol
 
I find this discussion interesting but I have never found sex of much interest. I say that in all candor. Up close and personal was always filled with a touch of anxiety, which is not the best feeling for.... well you know. I was always a bit duplicitous afterwards if there was any conversation. I did not wish to hurt anyone's feelings, so I stretched the truth to it's absolute breaking point to avoid any awkward or unexpected reactions. Which is why all my sexual activity took place over a short span of about 10 years. So not everyone fits in a neat and tidy little box. I was not particularly adventuresome or curious and was quite happy to put it all away, for I have always been happy with my own company.
 
Fabulous post! I agree with much of what you said. The hatred and exclusion within the various factions is very real and saddening. I think, humans are in the animal kingdom, and that kingdom is rife with all forms of sexuality. We are sexual in all ways, and have natural diversities in all ways too.

However, you also left out trans-identified and or gender bending folk, and are the most misunderstood and often excluded by ALL the various groups. We confuse everyone with not only gender, but our looks. I consider myself somewhere in a “middle” and do not accept any labels for myself. The assumptions made by people of any sexual/ all various persuasions can be hilarious, completely ignorant, untrue, and also misguided.

There is no simplicity to any of these topics. I object to the simplistic thinking of only three types of men you put into the last categories. I guess society does not really give any it much thought. How sad. Masculine females are thought to be “dyke” butch lesbians. Lesbians hate all men. Feminine men are assumed to be gay homosexuals. Gay men like to dress in women’s clothing. Strong masculine males are heterosexual. Bisexual males are “turning gay.” All these are often untrue, and often utter nonsense. Not to mention the worst one of all - that gay people are pedophiles. My gosh, we do not go around saying that straight men are all rapists, do we? It’s utter craziness. It’s also crazy that gay men call women “fish.” TheRe is untruths hurled from all sides of these issues.

I have never met a female who was straight that dated other women “to get revenge.” Is this a 21st Century thing? It’s very odd. Would a gay man date a female to get revenge on his former lover? I never saw that. I have many times seen a male “come out” to his wife and family after decades of deception. It usually brings the heartbreaking end of the family. The wife cannot deal with it. Wives also leave sometimes because of the crossdressing issues - of their straight hetero husbands.

Political lesbians were very strong and visible in the 1970s and 80s. I never got along with any females back then, and these older dykes were very off putting and scary serious beings. But I now understand it, after reading Leslie Fienburg’s “Stone Butch Blues” how that all happened and why.

They hated others for identifying as a gay male when they were born female. Called that person a “traitor to sisterhood.” Many gay men could not (can not) accept such a thing either. One is a traitor to the cause if they switch gender, or sexual persuasions, and become something else. Some gays hate FTMs for being born different. (Though now, it’s suddenly fashionable and accepted in some circles!)

Lesbians confused, gays confused, and everyone else clueless. Everyone is judgemental and brutal. Lesbians have usually been way more accepting of FTMS, then gay men have been to feminine MTFs. Women accept MTFS and cross dressers more then the male acceptance of females wanting to live as males. Not all though, as some think the male to female is a sexual predator dressed up to gain the trust of females. Warped, judgemental thinking colors their views.

There is a huge block between acceptances within these niche communities. Many gays abhorr the serious male to female crossdresser, or transsexual. They exclude him/her from their clubs. Called an aborration to the gay community. Some, but not all, want to change the straight male to become gay also. Everything adores the campiness of RuPauls Drag Race, as long as men keep their genitals, no matter how feminine they become.

Off putting too were the various classifications of gay men and how they treated each other. Twinks, Fems, Trannies, .... exclusionary clubs based on just how you looked, walked, and acted. Gay men so masculine they pass as straight. Truckers, cowboys, leather “daddys,” “pups” & “pigs.” Gay men, except when they go home to their wives and children, who live lies as to who they are. But no different really, then the husband who is paying for sex on the way home from work or hanging out at the strip clubs- no?

Everybody falls into different groups and not accepted. Actually beat up for being in the wrong type gay club! Then beat up for being out in the straight world too! Hope it’s all changing and more accepting of diversity these days, but I doubt it.
Nope I disagree about all forms of sexuality. It is my understanding that sex is binary then then there is reproduction. I believe the rest is psychiatric conditions, some very dangerous psychiatric conditions
 
I'm asexual, so I'm not *sexually* attracted to anyone. I find certain people aesthetically pleasing but I'm more attracted to outstanding personalities.

I've always tried to convince myself that I'm 100% straight, but that was when I was thinking about dating within the stereotypical sense... but as far as emotional connections go, then yeah, I'm probably bi or maybe even more invested in girls. I've learned that my preferences for emotional bonding and companionship are more fluid and definitely not only hetero. Women are also sometimes really adorable and cuddly, most men are not "adorable" and a lot of men think cuddling is foreplay. Lol

Posted this nearly four years ago, I learned later in life that I'm not fully asexual, and yes, I'm bi, and engaged to a man. Still stand by most of my statements from this post though.
 
Most of my girlfriends when I was young had been in lesbian relationships. I always thought it was a lot more common than many people believe.
I think women having more "fluid" sexuality is common, yes. I don't remember where he saw it, but my partner showed me a statistic from a Finnish study that said something like 40% of young women identify as something other than heterosexual.

Don't know if the number would be different for women overall, not just "young" women, but seemed fairly accurate based on my own experiences.
 
People look down on LGBTQ where im from and where I live, but men commonly will just think horny things about lesbians, while gays can be assaulted on streets. This increases the amount of lesbians vs gays here, because gay men are forced to hide.
 
I’ve had that thought since forever and I have never shared it, this is the first time.

I believe most people are secretly bisexual, and that there’s just a minority that is 100% heterosexual and 100% homosexual.

I know it’s a polemic thought, that’s why I’ve never shared it before, but this seems to be an appropriate crowd.

I am mostly attracted to men, but I’ve been occasionally attracted to women. I can see beauty inside and out, and when I do, I feel attracted to that person. I can’t believe that I’m the exception, and that most people only see beauty in the opposite sex. It’s not logical. If there is beauty in a person, and you feel happy with that person, I don’t see how sex would matter, except for procreation. Of course, my not understanding this issue might be due to the fact that it’s hard for me to be in somebody else’s shoes.

I’d like to hear your thoughts in the matter.
I often heard that before, that everyone is a bit bisexual. And it honestly makes sense to me, I mean apart from actual reproduction, most relationships have very little to do with what bits you have and more to do with the connection you have with the other person.

I jokingly use the term "homoflexible" to describe myself. I would consider myself by and large to be a straight man. But I won't lie, I experimented in college, not really my thing but also I didn't not have fun.

But back to the initial idea at hand, plenty of research showing that particularly among neurodivergent population there is a much higher than average portion of folks not identifying as straight.
 
"Just the Facts"? More like "Just the Propaganda." They claim that science-based laws defining sex based on biological reality as people have known and understood for thousands of years are somehow "ideologically driven" while the very recent anti-science fad (that biological sex is merely something doctors assign to individuals at birth) promoted by a very small but very loud group of political ideologues is somehow science. What a joke!
 

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