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Could it be Asperger's?

emm71

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I was hoping to get some help with my daughter. She is 6 years old and has a lot of behavior issues. I have gotten used to a lot of her issues and I have a high tolerance with dealing with them. However, since starting kindergarten, her behaviors have gotten worse. Her school has actually threatened to suspend her due to hitting other teachers and loud, violent outbursts.

I had originally ruled out Asperger's because my nephew has it and his mannerisms are definitely different than my daughter's. After reading about some of the symptoms of Asperger's, I'm wondering if I'm wrong? Here is a (long) description of what we are dealing with. I can't provide details on some of the items because my mind has become mush due to lack of sleep these last 6 years:

She has a lot of behavioral issues at school and at home. She is very defiant and will scream and sometimes throws violent tantrums if she can’t complete school work within a given time or is asked to do a task she does not want to do at that moment.

She is extremely strong-willed and intense and has as been this way since birth.

She obsesses about small things. For instance, if she gets a new craft or toy she obsesses about when and where we will work on it or play with it, to the point that it takes over all other conversations. She also obsesses about large scale situations such as a meteor hitting the earth and destroying the planet.

Related to obsession - She has a lot of anxiety. She constantly dwells on things she has no control over or situations that may have occurred at school.

She is very social but in a one sided way. She wants to play but if the other children aren’t doing what she is doing she becomes easily annoyed and leaves. When we are at a playground, she tends to chat up the other parents more than the kids.

She definitely has personal space issues. She wants to be constantly in your face talking. She also loves to hug total strangers.

She lacks empathy in most situations. Sometimes she will apologize or say she feels bad for the way she treated someone. However, many times it is to see if we will reverse the punishments we have put in place for bad behavior, such as taking away TV for that day or her tablet.

She was delayed in a few areas such as starting solids and general play such as riding a bike. It seemed she had a lot of anxiety towards these items, such as being scared of certain textures or falling off the bike.

She is extremely clumsy. She’s always knocking over water cups or unintentionally destroying things. She is not very good at paying attention to her surroundings which tends to cause the accidents.

She is extremely intelligent. She can memorize school work and instruction very quickly. She is always at the top of her class.

She is can be very sensitive to loud noises. When we used to use public restrooms, she used to beg me not to flush the toilet until after she left the stall. If the hand blowers were too loud, she would sometimes request not to use that bathroom at all. She seems to have gotten better with this but it is still an issue at times.

Related to loud noises – she definitely has some sensory issues. She was very colicky as a baby to the point she would get extremely physical. She would pull my hair and contort her body. She also hated teething to the put that it delayed solids. The minute she would try to gum her food and feel any kind of teething pain she would freak out and refuse to put any food in her mouth. She didn’t really eat much solids until she was nearly 18 months old. She is still a very picky eater. She would also not like to wear certain clothes because of the way the fabric felt on her skin.
 
Some of those things do sound like autistic symptoms and some do not. But I don't think that's unusual since that the way it is with HFAs (High Functioning Autistic).

Something that makes it hard to determine, easily, is that many symptoms are shared by more then one condition. Another possible complication, and not all that rare, is having more then one condition.

But from what you describe it seems something unusual is going on and it would be well worth investigating it thoroughly with doctors. And I would not be hesitant to share your own observations/suspicions with them. You know your own child best.

There are actually a lot of services available thru your school district and medical insurance company. This will vary depending upon clinical diagnosis but can include things like a one on one aid in school, a behavior team that works with your child at home a few hours a week, etc. Something to think about is that these programs or doctors often involve recommended medications.

Anyway, there is no guareentee how things will turn out in the end. Ultimately the child will become an adolescent and then adult and be making their own choices. Your choice is whether to go lightly at this point or hit it hard and try the professional services route.
 
Thank you for your reply Tom. We have been seeing a psychologist for 3 months now. He has given us some techniques to use. We had seen a small amount of improvement but lately her behavior suddenly got worse again. I'm going to request to have her officially evaluated but not sure where to go? I guess I should ask if her school can do it? Her pediatrician only recommended seeing a psychiatrist to see if she needs to be put on meds for her anxiety. My husband supports this, I do not. I just need to find out what is wrong with my daughter. :(
 
Aspergers is highly individualized, so comparing someone to other aspies won't tell you whether or not they have it.

I'd say what you describe sounds like AS. The thing with personal space – getting in people's faces but losing it if anyone comes near her uninvited – sounds like an attempt to come to grips with society's double standards in that particular area, for instance.
 
Thank you for your reply too Ylva. :) I am going to contact her school counselor to see if we can get her evaluated through the school. Thanks!
 
You I am not sure about how to do that. I would think the prime method is to get the diagnosis thru your own doctor. Has the idea it may be more then anxiety been addressed with your psychologist? I think they mostly operate on a float chart type methodology, with if the child shows x,y,z symptoms, you look at this, this and this. Having a list of what you observed (like the one above) may be useful to bring in and show to the psychologist. I know the doctors office is like a brain eraser to me. I walk in and my mind goes blank. Written notes are good to make sure you don't forget something. Also the medical field believes HFA/Aspergers rarer in girls and maybe that isn't on their minds as much. There is debate, especially by ASD people themselves that there are more girls/women with it then the field recognizes. Really the doctor should address all your concerns thoroughly. They are not doing you a favor, you are paying them after all. And if they don't get a new doctor. There are also Psychiatrists as well as psychologists and I am unclear on the distinction, other then thinking the Psychiatrist is actually the only true clinical doctor.

There are school psychiatrists but they may be a supplemental services. They do evaluate students and can make medication change recommendations but the family (and perhaps their own doctor) has final say. They are also spread quite thin and can not give much individual attention.
 
Some of what you have listed are typical AS traits, but could also be other things. Wanting to talk to adults more than peers could just be related to her high IQ and strong personality. Clumsiness is pretty common in six year olds. Apologizing in order to avoid punishment is the typical way of reasoning at that age.

Much of what you described as far as her anxiety issues I could have said about my daughter at that age. Here is a book I can recommend
What To Do When You Worry Too Much: A Kid's Guide To Overcoming Anxiety I think "a meteor destroying earth" is one of the examples used in the book. If you spend a few minutes every single day working through the exercises in the book you'll have a good chance of success. Also, don't be afraid to push her a little at a time out of her comfort zone. For example, if she is afraid of the hand dryers in public restrooms you could start drying her hands at home with a hair dryer on low each day before dinner.

Another thing to keep in mind is that sometimes when a child throws a tantrum it may seem as if her behavior is way out of proportion to the small task you asked her to complete, but if she has been experiencing anxiety all day she may just have hit a breaking point. Helping her to alleviate the anxiety can help the behavior issues.
 
I just noticed that the author of the worry book also has a book What To Do When your Brain Gets Stuck and What To Do When Your Temper Flares. I haven't read those, but the whole series seems to get very good reviews.
 
For example, if she is afraid of the hand dryers in public restrooms you could start drying her hands at home with a hair dryer on low each day before dinner.

Good point. She could just have sensory processing disorder. Not sure I'd start accustoming her to hideous sounds, just in case she does have that, but mildly annoying sounds could be your starting place.

Also not sure what kinds of therapy they actually give for SPD, even if gradual exposure seems logical.
 
I was quite quiet at that age the only things I had issues is with getting very upset when I did things wrong but I guess every aspie is different.
 
I was hoping to get some help with my daughter. She is 6 years old and has a lot of behavior issues. I have gotten used to a lot of her issues and I have a high tolerance with dealing with them. However, since starting kindergarten, her behaviors have gotten worse. Her school has actually threatened to suspend her due to hitting other teachers and loud, violent outbursts.

I had originally ruled out Asperger's because my nephew has it and his mannerisms are definitely different than my daughter's. After reading about some of the symptoms of Asperger's, I'm wondering if I'm wrong? Here is a (long) description of what we are dealing with. I can't provide details on some of the items because my mind has become mush due to lack of sleep these last 6 years:

She has a lot of behavioral issues at school and at home. She is very defiant and will scream and sometimes throws violent tantrums if she can’t complete school work within a given time or is asked to do a task she does not want to do at that moment.

She is extremely strong-willed and intense and has as been this way since birth.

She obsesses about small things. For instance, if she gets a new craft or toy she obsesses about when and where we will work on it or play with it, to the point that it takes over all other conversations. She also obsesses about large scale situations such as a meteor hitting the earth and destroying the planet.

Related to obsession - She has a lot of anxiety. She constantly dwells on things she has no control over or situations that may have occurred at school.

She is very social but in a one sided way. She wants to play but if the other children aren’t doing what she is doing she becomes easily annoyed and leaves. When we are at a playground, she tends to chat up the other parents more than the kids.

She definitely has personal space issues. She wants to be constantly in your face talking. She also loves to hug total strangers.

She lacks empathy in most situations. Sometimes she will apologize or say she feels bad for the way she treated someone. However, many times it is to see if we will reverse the punishments we have put in place for bad behavior, such as taking away TV for that day or her tablet.

She was delayed in a few areas such as starting solids and general play such as riding a bike. It seemed she had a lot of anxiety towards these items, such as being scared of certain textures or falling off the bike.

She is extremely clumsy. She’s always knocking over water cups or unintentionally destroying things. She is not very good at paying attention to her surroundings which tends to cause the accidents.

She is extremely intelligent. She can memorize school work and instruction very quickly. She is always at the top of her class.

She is can be very sensitive to loud noises. When we used to use public restrooms, she used to beg me not to flush the toilet until after she left the stall. If the hand blowers were too loud, she would sometimes request not to use that bathroom at all. She seems to have gotten better with this but it is still an issue at times.

Related to loud noises – she definitely has some sensory issues. She was very colicky as a baby to the point she would get extremely physical. She would pull my hair and contort her body. She also hated teething to the put that it delayed solids. The minute she would try to gum her food and feel any kind of teething pain she would freak out and refuse to put any food in her mouth. She didn’t really eat much solids until she was nearly 18 months old. She is still a very picky eater. She would also not like to wear certain clothes because of the way the fabric felt on her skin.

Just an FYI that AC has some very helpful books listed in the Resources section, & the subject 'Parenting & Autism Discussions' forum has many similar &/or related discussion threads which might provide you with additional insights & useful advice. (Wishing you well with your daughter.) Autism & Asperger's Resources | AspiesCentral.com
 
Some of what you have listed are typical AS traits, but could also be other things. Wanting to talk to adults more than peers could just be related to her high IQ and strong personality. Clumsiness is pretty common in six year olds. Apologizing in order to avoid punishment is the typical way of reasoning at that age.

Much of what you described as far as her anxiety issues I could have said about my daughter at that age. Here is a book I can recommend
What To Do When You Worry Too Much: A Kid's Guide To Overcoming Anxiety I think "a meteor destroying earth" is one of the examples used in the book. If you spend a few minutes every single day working through the exercises in the book you'll have a good chance of success. Also, don't be afraid to push her a little at a time out of her comfort zone. For example, if she is afraid of the hand dryers in public restrooms you could start drying her hands at home with a hair dryer on low each day before dinner.

Another thing to keep in mind is that sometimes when a child throws a tantrum it may seem as if her behavior is way out of proportion to the small task you asked her to complete, but if she has been experiencing anxiety all day she may just have hit a breaking point. Helping her to alleviate the anxiety can help the behavior issues.
Sully, I didn't see this book or anything from the series listed in the Resources section. If it's not there already, why don't you list it because this book looks like a great resource for parents. :)
 
Sully, I didn't see this book or anything from the series listed in the Resources section. If it's not there already, why don't you list it because this book looks like a great resource for parents. :)
Ok, I will when I get a chance. I'm usually on Tapatalk when I participate here, so I haven't even seen many of the other areas of the website.
 
Hi emm71 I'm currently goo.g through the same thing with my son although not all the symptoms are the same. My son is 4 and in school is a nightmare, he hits and kicks his teachers, throws chairs, and stones, and tries to barricade himself away from people using what he can. He does not socialize with the other children, even with his grandfather and uncle he has to "warm" too and takes a hour or so before he comes around.
But at home he is completely oppersite, always telling me he loves my and doing whatever I ask of him

He is obsessed with trains and the only thing he will play with at home is his train tracks, the only thing he watches on tv is curious george.

He also hates loud noises and anything unstructured.

I have told the school that I have aspergers and he could possibly have it, a behaviour specialist is seeing him in school and hopefully be having a meeting soon. But I have been up the school countless times which is having a bad affect on me due to my very poor communication skills, it one time he has been truly sorry was when he saw me crying. I am afraid he will be kicked out of the school, today he had a really bad day and was extremely violent and thus I now have another meeting with his class teacher and the head teacher.

Aspergers affects everyone differently and I think the first step is diagnosis, even if it is not aspergers syndrome they can then get all the help they can, I don't want my son to be branded as the naughty child and just be seen as a lost cause all his life.
 

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