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Autism and Intellectual Impairment

JamesM

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I hear a lot of Autistic people are on the smarter side. But unfortunately I was not blessed with this and are somewhat mentally challenged. What is known as Borderline Intellectual Functioning seems to explain a lot.

Does anyone else suffer this? And has it impacted your life in many ways, like employment, making money, understanding things properly etc.
 
@JamesM,

To be more accurate, autism and intelligence are two independent things, and to be more accurate, one of the hallmarks of autism is asymmetrical intelligence. That is to say that autism, when it comes to intelligence, is often characterized by not an overall intelligence level, but rather several different types of intelligences, with a combination of high, medium, and low. Neurotypicals can also have asymmetrical intelligences, but with autism, it is often characterized by extremes. My testing demonstrated this. So, for example, when I had my testing done, I spent 2 hours in a testing lab with 2 people, one leading, the other observing, and we performed several types of tests. There were specific tests, for example, pattern recognition where I was in the 99th percentile, and there were other tests where I literally had to stop the test because I couldn't do it at all. Later, when I had my interview with my psychologist, a similar thing happened. It was almost like she was doing some sort of Jedi mind trick with me, leaving me embarrassingly red-faced and confused as to why my mind literally shut off.

I get along in life pretty well, overall, because I am self-aware enough to understand where my intelligences lie and where they don't. I think we all have to discover what those things are for us. Within the context of autism, it is not uncommon to be presented with someone of "low intelligence", someone who needs significant assistance in their daily lives, and yet, have very high intelligence in specific areas. Personally, I have worked with a few physicians who fall into that category, people who needed an assistant with them at their side throughout the day, but were actually quite brilliant at their profession. Realistically, I know that there are folks with an ASD that are significantly impacted intellectually, but even then, I wouldn't count them out as to having some specific talent or aptitude that they may or may not be aware of.

I am of the mind that we all sort of "adapt and overcome" because we either through "trial and error" or intuitively know how our brains work and we just naturally shy away from certain things that we struggle with and embrace things we tend to be good at.

In my life, it is more or less the "autism component" that has limited my understanding of neurotypical human behaviors, and because of this, has significantly affected my ability to rise up the corporate ladder. I am at the age, a few years from retirement now, and simply let the younger co-workers apply for positions above me. Not that they are more qualified or knowledgable, but because they have a lot more potential for making those interpersonal connections that I could never do, and it is better for the department, overall. They use me as a mentor and resource person, but I am not going to be good sitting in meetings, interacting with people, and making decisions because there is always a powerful "human element" that I am often oblivious to. Neurotypicals operate on a very different plane when it comes to the emotional content and meaning behind everyday things, and I simply don't have that.

One of my posts on another thread recently: "...the autistic component often presents itself when dealing with not WHAT people say, but rather HOW people say it and from what perspective. I ran across this the other day when I presented an idea to a committee at work. Overall, I believe it was received well and the idea was immediately implemented by management. Afterward, two co-workers were discussing HOW the group was discussing it and from what perspectives and how some were actually "put off" by some of the rhetoric. I just sat there confused, and I told them so. I just smiled and said, "My autistic brain didn't catch ANY of that. All I know is that my idea was implemented, and for myself, it was a positive outcome." They laughed with me, (they know I am autistic), and they looked at me confused like, "You seriously didn't catch ANY of that? Wow! I wish I could be like that! We sit and analyze every little nuance, trying to read between the lines and try to interpret what was REALLY said." Then, I laughed at them. "Autism is a blessing and a curse."

There's a tendency with many autistics, often because of the low dopamine and serotonin levels in our brains, that we fall into depression easily, we self-deprecate, little "slights" or rejections can become devastating. We can really get ourselves into these moods where we feel hopelessly "stupid" or "retarded", "everyone hates me", and even as far as suicidal ideation. We tend to be socially isolated or marginalized, so we sit alone with our thoughts, analyzing ourselves, and often these are dark thoughts. That said, the best thing we can do for our mental and physical health is to stay busy. If you are spending way too much time in your home, on a computer or phone, you need something to do. If you are not socially busy, make sure you are physically or mentally busy, whatever that is for you. Being engaged in something productive, being engaged in life, is key to avoiding those demons.
 
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This. The entire world is patterns to me and it is difficult to explain this to others who do not perceive as I do.
It's like speaking to someone in Mandarin Chinese when they don't understand the language. The eyes just glaze over when I try to explain it to some physicians and co-workers. It's frustrating sometimes, because in my area of expertise, these patterns influence how I tune the mechanical ventilator in a critically ill patient or perhaps it can diagnose a patient's condition. I deal with infants and children. It's really important. Being able to understand the interplay between pressure, flow, volume, and time is critical, in my opinion, to understanding how the machine is interacting with the patient's lungs. Yet, to the majority of my co-workers and physicians, it's a bunch of "squiggly lines". It is dumbfounding and frustrating to me that life and death decisions are being made without this knowledge.
 
A psychologist tested me once, did so well on abstract reasoning she phoned me back a few weeks later I had stunned her on how well I did. I remember asking her prior to the test if any one had got a perfect score. She had said no, I was on last question when she said pencil down. Assume I was that close to having perfect score.
 
It's like speaking to someone in Mandarin Chinese when they don't understand the language. The eyes just glaze over when I try to explain it to some physicians and co-workers. It's frustrating sometimes, because in my area of expertise, these patterns influence how I tune the mechanical ventilator in a critically ill patient or perhaps it can diagnose a patient's condition. I deal with infants and children. It's really important. Being able to understand the interplay between pressure, flow, volume, and time is critical, in my opinion, to understanding how the machine is interacting with the patient's lungs. Yet, to the majority of my co-workers and physicians, it's a bunch of "squiggly lines". It is dumbfounding and frustrating to me that life and death decisions are being made without this knowledge.
To me that is just chemical engineering, so easy to visualize. Do not get why others can not see the obvious.
 
To me that is just chemical engineering, so easy to visualize. Do not get why others can not see the obvious.
Some people have specific intelligences where specific things "just make sense" and are "obvious".

The physical world "just makes sense" to me. I have an almost intuitive understanding of physics. However, I do not have the aptitudes to perform the mathematical proofs. I wish I did, I would have loved to be an engineer like my children and brother.
 
The world to me is patterns and schematics , and odds. I have empathy and passion, but l enjoy trying to figure out odds on anything, including probability which l believe member @Judge had a very long career in probabilities
 
JamesM we are all talented with something and try and nurture what you are talented with. Try and forget about others a bit. Life is your journey.

Don't be fooled as well, many autistics have this specialist area of interest and others areas of their life or or other things of interest of others might fall be wayside, filter what you read online.
 
Physics is my hobby even started thread on this forum so easy to visualize. Do not measure yourself by where you are on the bell curve, I am dumb in relation to my siblings. My Niece stated years ago she did not think she worthy of being a member of our family. Just found out she got a new very prominent position. Her resume is stunning on linkedin.
 
Had the IQ tests....the sections ranged from the 2nd to the 99th percentile. No wonder I'm confused.
 
I suspect that I might have undiagnosed autism, and it's unlikely that I'll undergo an evaluation in the near future. I find it difficult to process text, whether it's books or just reading, and I struggle to concentrate and write. Sometimes it's even hard to express my thoughts, and I often forget the words I need. However, I do have one positive aspect – a good memory. I especially excel at remembering slights and insults directed at me.
 
I suspect that I might have undiagnosed autism, and it's unlikely that I'll undergo an evaluation in the near future. I find it difficult to process text, whether it's books or just reading, and I struggle to concentrate and write. Sometimes it's even hard to express my thoughts, and I often forget the words I need. However, I do have one positive aspect – a good memory. I especially excel at remembering slights and insults directed at me.
This is me exactly.
 
Being labelled does not define who you are. Just be yourself. I'm starting to lose my mask, keeping quiet in social situations.
 
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What is known as Borderline Intellectual Functioning seems to explain a lot.

Does anyone else suffer this? And has it impacted your life in many ways, like employment, making money, understanding things properly etc.
Since I had a long, long discussion about my test results with the last psychologist I had...I would say yes, probably.

Apparently I do not even have a full-scale IQ (FSIQ) ... what I thought was my FSIQ is actually a "General Ability Index" (GAI).

The reason is that my IQ subtest scores are all over the place. Highest was 98th percentile, lowest less than 2nd percentile. (100 is exactly average and is 50th percentile).

I have stark and consistent impairment in processing speed and working memory (most of my scores are bo[r]dering on Intellectual Disability [(ID)] for those I think...or actually in ID range; I didn[']t go through every score with the psychologist).

It affects my life a lot.

I have areas of very very high ability but also equally low ability...and people seem to see only one or the other. It is very frustrating just all by itself, f[ai]ling and making mistakes I could never foresee or dont even understand after the[y] happen, but becomes more frustrating when faced with the expectations of others.

I am as often disbelieved about having any impairment as I am treated like I am 2 years old and have way more impairment than I do.

It's really hard to explain to anyone why I don't understand them or can't do something they expect I should be able to - often I just can't, because I don't know why any better than the person questioning me. It's equally hard to explain how I can do things people expect I can't (and if I am ever able to it is usually not with words).

I think it is a big part of why life just feels like a never-ending struggle and becomes more of a nightmare the older I get.

I also think it is part (possibly most) of why I feel like I don't fit anywhere with anyone.

Even in autism communities I often feel this way...like everything about me is a sort of weird mix of extremes nobody understands and that I can't ever explain....

I've been on disabil[it]y [benefits] for years because most jobs I just can't do - many because I have "extreme/severe sensory needs" (psychologist said that and told me for the RRB/sensory category of support needs I am probably a 3 ... which at first was surprising but then thinking about it for a while, kind of makes sense....as much as any of those subjectiv[e] scales mak[e] any sense.)

...[M]any more jobs I have tried and failed at (over and over and over) because even when I can find ways to cope with the sensory environment, I am never ever efficient enough...

...[T]hose jobs I actually am good at, social communication issues destroy everything. I often don't actually even understand what's gone wrong and nobody will tell me - quite likely because they think I either already know or can figure it out by myself. ([And I can only guess this because people have actually explicitly said - so, so, so many times - that they won't tell me because they think I already know or can figure it out. ]Also possible is that they do try to explain to me, but I am so[,] so lost I can't even see that's what they're doing.)

[When I was in post-secondary school, I could only take 3 courses at once [full courseload was minimum of 5] and still needed accomodations, spent more time on schoolwork than anyone else I knew taking a full courseload, and could do nothing else - I couldn't even work one or two days a week or it all fell apart.

I made the Dean's List, my first term, though...I do have real ability along with real disability. The ability though, is why one prof didn't believe I needed so much time...to prove it to her (and honestly a bit to prove it to myself) I handed in an assigment she thought would be near perfect by that time...she was convinced I was just being a perfectionist...NOPE: What I had accomplished at that point was a complete disaster, I got it back just covered in red pen and one of the comments was basically tha[t] it was barely comprehensible, and the only reason she gave me a D- was out of compassion and I think fairness, because she had pressured me to hand it in way before it was actually done and just disbelieved everything I said...it was never perfectionism slowing me down; I actually am just that slow.]

I endlessly frustrate and offend and irritate people and I don't understand how or why.

I've basically given up on having friends....and a lot of other things.

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Since I had a long, long discussion about my test results with the last psychologist I had...I would say yes, probably.

Apparently I do not even have a full-scale IQ (FSIQ) ... what I thought was my FSIQ is actually a "General Ability Index" (GAI).

The reason is that my IQ subtest scores are all over the place. Highest was 98th percentile, lowest less than 2nd percentile. (100 is exactly average and is 50th percentile).

I have stark and consistent impairment in processing speed and working memory (most of my scores are bo[r]dering on Intellectual Disability [(ID)] for those I think...or actually in ID range; I didn[']t go through every score with the psychologist).
All evidence suggests this sort of phenomenon is consistent with the autism experience. Many here are of the self-diagnosed, but those of us that did go through the process of a comprehensive clinical diagnosis and have been tested like this will have likely had what I call "asymmetrical intelligences". This goes well beyond the neurotypical experience where some are good or poor at math or artistic ability...but rather things like processing speed and understanding of verbal and non-verbal problem solving. Most people vary in their aptitudes, problem solving, imagination, etc. however, it seems the autism experience can be quite amplified, with notable peaks and troughs, and appears to be a bit of a "hallmark" of the condition.
It affects my life a lot.

I have areas of very very high ability but also equally low ability...and people seem to see only one or the other. It is very frustrating just all by itself, f[ai]ling and making mistakes I could never foresee or dont even understand after the[y] happen, but becomes more frustrating when faced with the expectations of others.
Very much so.
I am as often disbelieved about having any impairment as I am treated like I am 2 years old and have way more impairment than I do.

It's really hard to explain to anyone why I don't understand them or can't do something they expect I should be able to - often I just can't, because I don't know why any better than the person questioning me. It's equally hard to explain how I can do things people expect I can't (and if I am ever able to it is usually not with words).
The ability to verbally express oneself in meaningful ways can be extremely difficult. Story of my life. I am much better doing something like this...writing. I can monologue for hours on topics I am well-versed in...but not able to have a meaningful, back-and-forth conversation.
I think it is a big part of why life just feels like a never-ending struggle and becomes more of a nightmare the older I get.

I also think it is part (possibly most) of why I feel like I don't fit anywhere with anyone.
I am almost retirement age, but as you suggest, we sort of reach this plateau and it never gets easier. Sure, we can sort of adapt and overcome, develop life strategies in specific ways, but it's always there.
Even in autism communities I often feel this way...like everything about me is a sort of weird mix of extremes nobody understands and that I can't ever explain....
It might be that some have never been tested and the reality pointed out to them. I went through the first 50 years of my life without a real understanding of my significant deficits, either. I definitely knew where I excelled, and I naturally leaned into them...so I ignorantly had no clue where my deficits were. It's sort of like that Dunning-Kruger phenomenon where on one part of the curve, certain individuals may have high confidence and low ability, or in less flattering terms, "Stupid people often do not recognize they are stupid." Within the context of autism, some undiagnosed individuals might fully recognize what they do well, but not fully appreciate to what extent they fall off the intellectual curve in very specific areas. I certainly didn't. I can do everything, I am independent, I have a high intellect profession, etc...and then I was tested and there were very specific types of tests were my mind locked up, I got red-faced, and couldn't even start the test let alone pass it. Never, ever in my life did I experience such a thing. What kind of cruel Jedi mind trick was happening? Absolutely embarrassing, humbling, and made me question a lot about myself.
I've been on disabil[it]y [benefits] for years because most jobs I just can't do - many because I have "extreme/severe sensory needs" (psychologist said that and told me for the RRB/sensory category of support needs I am probably a 3 ... which at first was surprising but then thinking about it for a while, kind of makes sense....as much as any of those subjectiv[e] scales mak[e] any sense.)

...[M]any more jobs I have tried and failed at (over and over and over) because even when I can find ways to cope with the sensory environment, I am never ever efficient enough...
Definitely a common experience.
...[T]hose jobs I actually am good at, social communication issues destroy everything. I often don't actually even understand what's gone wrong and nobody will tell me - quite likely because they think I either already know or can figure it out by myself. ([And I can only guess this because people have actually explicitly said - so, so, so many times - that they won't tell me because they think I already know or can figure it out. ]Also possible is that they do try to explain to me, but I am so[,] so lost I can't even see that's what they're doing.)
Agree. "He's a top-level high performer, but..." When asked why I keep getting passed over for job promotions by less experienced, less qualified, less capable people, it's always something like "How I deal with people." I am done in 4 years. It is what it is...and time to move on. I've stopped being disappointed at this point in my life.
[When I was in post-secondary school, I could only take 3 courses at once [full courseload was minimum of 5] and still needed accomodations, spent more time on schoolwork than anyone else I knew taking a full courseload, and could do nothing else - I couldn't even work one or two days a week or it all fell apart.

I made the Dean's List, my first term, though...I do have real ability along with real disability. The ability though, is why one prof didn't believe I needed so much time...to prove it to her (and honestly a bit to prove it to myself) I handed in an assigment she thought would be near perfect by that time...she was convinced I was just being a perfectionist...NOPE: What I had accomplished at that point was a complete disaster, I got it back just covered in red pen and one of the comments was basically tha[t] it was barely comprehensible, and the only reason she gave me a D- was out of compassion and I think fairness, because she had pressured me to hand it in way before it was actually done and just disbelieved everything I said...it was never perfectionism slowing me down; I actually am just that slow.]
There's knowing the material...usually not the issue, but rather how tests are written. For the neurotypical that can often ignore all the other variables and simply focus upon the simple phrase and infer it's meaning, the autistic student has an uncanny ability to read into the question enough to make something very simple into something very complex and confusing. I know...because I am a part-time university instructor who writes and reviews test questions...and has had autistic students. I have experienced this phenomenon as a student myself, as an instructor, and as an autistic.
I endlessly frustrate and offend and irritate people and I don't understand how or why.

I've basically given up on having friends....and a lot of other things.
Oh yeah. Story of my life.
 

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