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Anyone horrible at socializing did you get any better?

matt000333

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I'm pretty bad at being social and feel I come off as boring too not sure how to get better sometimes I don;t even feel like going on its so bad and I feel like it won't get better trying to get ssi I think that would help but been trying fro awhile not sure ti will happen hopeing though.
 
Things will get better my friend that's why there are programs and things set up to help people like us. I'm also currently going through the stress of getting ssi but it's best to just stay positive and know things will work out :)
 
Dreadful at socialising. Very rarely, in a social setting have I had a good time, so yes, on those rare occasions, I left feeling ok.

It has got to the point that I do not care about it now. I know that I am lousy at interactions and so, just am accepting that.

I am so hyperaware of people that it gets very uncomfortable.

Seeing a psychiatrist this friday and hope to get an official diagnosis of chronic social anxiety.

On the contrary, if I could socialise via texting, wow lol
 
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I am bad at it, too, but for me it used to be this excited 12 year old busting in with a wide smile and eager to make friends. Can you imagine? To me, now that I know, it fills me with the most ungodly, inhuman shame when I think about it.

I truly did not know.

Throwing my arms up and saying something with great passion, like a kid. Rolling around in the grass with the kids when they came by, not even realizing the other "grown ups" were not doing that.

If I had been Dxed and everyone knew, it would have been OK.

But, of course, can you even imagine the reactions?

Now I have lost all my spark. I never even smile in public. My eyes are dim and I don't even talk in public and have pulled away from even my closest family members. I do not even talk to God as I look back and realize that if he exists, he, too, hates me.

I have no more joy even in my special interests and see no point of anything other than doing the stims and actions I have to do to keep me from losing any more of my mind than I already have.

Every day is a struggle not the end it. But aging with autism is way worse than just having autism. Having it when you are young, your body still works, etc......having it as you age and the body breaks down.......can you say TERROR??

Social issues are the least of my troubles. It's how to handle when you need an operation or your foot gets crushed and you can't even walk and you are hyper and need to run. It's when your eyes get injured and you cannot even READ. It's being a piece of aging meat with no skills other than a 12 year old would handle it.
 
I'm pretty bad at being social and feel I come off as boring too not sure how to get better sometimes I don;t even feel like going on its so bad and I feel like it won't get better trying to get ssi I think that would help but been trying fro awhile not sure ti will happen hopeing though.


I am exactly the same I am 35 i do not have any friends. And if I do manage to get one witch happens rarely I can not keep them. I don't know how to hold a conversation or even how to start one. I don't have any personality so there not much about me. But desperately would like to have some friends and a social life well at least a little bit that would make such a difference In my life
 
Well, speaking only for myself, it can be learned. I'm not great at it, but I get along most of the time in social situations. It's energy draining and stressful but I have to interact with people for work, so...
 
Yes I am hoping it can be so even if I improve a little bit it would make the world of difference. As for getting job I would be delighted but really going to try this year
 
Now I have lost all my spark. I never even smile in public. My eyes are dim and I don't even talk in public and have pulled away from even my closest family members. I do not even talk to God as I look back and realize that if he exists, he, too, hates me.

If only there was a button for: tears. Because this made me want to cry. I have no idea what you look like, but by all your wonderful posts, I imagine a sunny person and so, it breaks my heart, that it is the opposite.

I have always been that "12 year old" and here I am at 47 and still like that; but with a bit more of the adult about me.

One time only ( not literally one time), when my baby died inside of me, did I stop wearing make up ( only ever wore a tiny bit anyway) and stopped smiling; a tiny bit of my heart broke that day, when I was told my baby is no more! But off all things, I was out walking, feeling the world on my shoulders, so to speak and this guy walks past and says: cheer up, it may never happen and I wanted so much to punch him!

As for our Creator, He does love you very much, OkRad. I know because He loves me, who feels very unlovable most of the time. But the thing is, you see, He has set out a way to approach him and if one does not use this way or does not want to know what this way is, He will not listen and in truth, that is His right, since He has had to put up with a lot of evil since man was created by Him.

If you want to know more, I am so happy to help.

You bring a smile to my face, my friend. Please don't give up!
 
Well, speaking only for myself, it can be learned. I'm not great at it, but I get along most of the time in social situations. It's energy draining and stressful but I have to interact with people for work, so...

Hi guys.. new member here and lots of good relate-able posts, including this one.
I have to agree with Wight on that it can be learned. Baby steps of course. I would start by identifying what is it that is bothersome to you in a conversation or social setting.

I have a lot to say about this topic. I have myself learned a lot and grew in the last few months after finding out I am on the spectrum. I should say, after confirming i'm on the spectrum, I always had a feeling.

I will keep it lite for now. I would be constantly in situations where I would spawn awkwardness (and still do, though not as much) or say/do the wrong thing. Now, I am more aware of people's reaction and try to adjust the situation back to a positive balance.

Here are some key things that have been working for me in social settings:

  1. A lot of it is being self-aware. That's a very difficult thing to do for me anyway.
  2. The other thing is energy, feeling other's energy in a conversation is very important. When you feel the energy is off, change the topic to something more positive in order to restore balance and get that person back on your side.
  3. Eye contact, when making eye contact, try not to give the other person a control. Meaning, try not to let them control the situation. Try to keep the emotional control in your favor. This is much easier said than done.
  4. Keep it positive. I have noticed that most of my interactions go sour when I am being a downer. People like positive energy. So let's say you share with someone a negative thought because you cant control your mouth for that moment (happens to me often). Spin it into a positive ending to keep the audience engaged.
  5. Get comfortable with being unconformable. I used to get anxiety when I had to speak to someone I had nothing to talk to them about. I would freeze with creating new topics. Still happens, a lot less though. It helps that I am a Project Manager, I have to engage people often and try to win them over. This has giving me a lot of practice with constantly being unconformable. Discomfort spawns anxiety which takes over you and your logic. Which takes me to my next point.
  6. Anxiety, understand that anxiety is just the fear of two things, 1. the unknown and 2. loosing control of the situation. When your conversations go out of bounds or go dead. Your anxiety starts to kick in because you are loosing control of the audience. Work on maintain control of yourself, if you control yourself, you control the mood of the audience. It's like kids, if you freak out, they freak out... If you have a good time, they join.
Yes, this is lite information :blush: there is a lot more to be said about this topic.

Just know that for this specific topic, there is hope!! A lot of it is acting for the audience. It's not easy, but you have to start somewhere.




Yes I am hoping it can be so even if I improve a little bit it would make the world of difference. As for getting job I would be delighted but really going to try this year
 
Unfortunately, I seem to be getting worse as I get older.

It's def. not easy.. It's like working out.. You have to practice regularly or else you wont get better. Being on the spectrum sucks major you know what.. but you know what sucks more, is not trying to overcome the struggle.
 
I used to be the absolute worst at social interaction, but through practice and imitation it got better to the point that none of my friends or family even believed me when I told them I was diagnosed with aspergers.
It took me about 15 years to get to that point though.
That being said, I still go out of my way to avoid my colleagues during breaks at work as I'm terrified of being inappropriate, that and completely uninterested in engaging in small talk about their lives and interests.
And when I'm expected at a family gathering or a party where I don't know many people you can be sure I'm incredibly nervous, constantly pondering canceling, and grabbing an alcoholic drink as soon as I get there to soothe my anxiety and enhance my social skills.
 
I have gotten better at it. Mostly by mimicking whatever others are doing.
I'm still really bad at some situations, but in many situations I'm able to fit in pretty well. It's mostly if other people are taking the lead in whatever social situation it is, and if it's something I know from previous experience I can follow pretty well.
I've gotten better at it by practicing, basically. I analyse what others do and then I apply that to myself in similar situations. It's really uncomfortable at first and it has definitely caused many anxiety attacks, but I have also gotten a lot better at it.
That being said, there are still plenty of social situations where I completely fail, and also it's really exhausting so sometimes I simply don't have the energy to do all the work it takes to be that social.
But in general I'm extremely happy I've learned this much. I'm able to do things I never thought possible when I was younger.
Also, so far this has only gotten me shallow friendships. Not actual deep relations which are the kind that matters to me in the end. So there's that.
 
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I am bad at it, too, but for me it used to be this excited 12 year old busting in with a wide smile and eager to make friends. Can you imagine? To me, now that I know, it fills me with the most ungodly, inhuman shame when I think about it.

I truly did not know.

Throwing my arms up and saying something with great passion, like a kid. Rolling around in the grass with the kids when they came by, not even realizing the other "grown ups" were not doing that.

If I had been Dxed and everyone knew, it would have been OK.

But, of course, can you even imagine the reactions?

Now I have lost all my spark. I never even smile in public. My eyes are dim and I don't even talk in public and have pulled away from even my closest family members. I do not even talk to God as I look back and realize that if he exists, he, too, hates me.

I have no more joy even in my special interests and see no point of anything other than doing the stims and actions I have to do to keep me from losing any more of my mind than I already have.

Every day is a struggle not the end it. But aging with autism is way worse than just having autism. Having it when you are young, your body still works, etc......having it as you age and the body breaks down.......can you say TERROR??

Social issues are the least of my troubles. It's how to handle when you need an operation or your foot gets crushed and you can't even walk and you are hyper and need to run. It's when your eyes get injured and you cannot even READ. It's being a piece of aging meat with no skills other than a 12 year old would handle it.

I think we incarnate on this planet in order to lose our naivete and learn to perceive ourselves - physically and psychologically - in relation to others:

"Shame which can make the body blush and writhe, confirms character’s instinctive abhorrence of innocence" ~ James Hillman.

Once we've learnt how our words and behaviours are perceived and evaluated, then we are in a position to decide how much importance to attached to others' evaluations. The point is not to do so blindly but to be fully informed when making that decision.

The character Katherine in the 2003 film 'Under the Tuscan Sun' gives a speech about always retaining your childish enthusiasm:

"You have to live spherically, in many directions. Never lose your childish enthusiasm...and...things will come your way."

"Remember at the end when another man left her in the most terrible way. She thinks it's all over for her. Then, she see's some children playing in the street making music, and before she knows it, she's smiling again. That's what [?] always said.. no matter what happens, always keep your childish innocence...it's the most important thing."


The unspoken caveat is that childish enthusiasm needs to be neurotypically expressed if it's to be socially acceptable - that is, with a measure of reflexiveness or self-awareness. Aspergers tend to be un-self-aware and that's the actual trait that seems to attract opprobrium: a lack of self-awareness.

There doesn't seem to be any way around this: we do need to lose our childish enthusiasm (naivete) and learn how we are perceived and evaluated BUT without losing one's spark - at least not permanently. It's a tricky balancing act: losing one's naivete without become cynical or embittered.

The loss of naivete requires a 'dark night of the soul' when our light does indeed go out - depression, anxiety, loneliness, low self-esteem, self-loathing, pain, heartbreak, loss etc. Anything less will not get the job done (raising our level of consciousness). Although unavoidably painful, it is important to maintain faith in oneself and one’s individual values. A great book to read while one is going through this process / re-evaluating the self is Thomas Moore's 'Dark Nights of the Soul'. It manages to find all kinds of beauty in the dark, but you do need lateral thinking to see it.

Maybe the spiritual test on Earth is how many hurts, disappointments, internal conflicts and insoluble problems we can live with without either imploding (self-destructing) or exploding (destroying others). How much meaninglessness, senselessness, emptiness, injustice, disapproval, rejection, thwarting, anonymity, tension and wrongness we can absorb without losing faith or giving up hope, whether in ourselves or in each other?

P.S. I should add that there are areas in which NTs are unaware and need to develop their consciousness - perhaps the topic of another thread?
 
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Tony Attwood has said this in his book, The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome, that people do slowly learn how to deal with these deficits as they get older. They learn the social lingo. It might still exhaust them but they learn it eventually with exposure to social situations. Of course it all depends on how much experience you put into these things.
 
Bad at socialising here, I hate big Family get together events, a few months back we attended my Cousin's 40th at a local Farm, don't get me wrong I like seeing Family members I don't see much of, but the whole big social gathering in a big room thing puts me off, unless there's food and lashings of Beer involved, and even then I tend to take off into a quiet corner with me Pint.
 
I got a tiny bit better recently with a ton of tips/advice and huge amounts of effort to recondition myself.

Things I learned that helped a ton when I could remember and do them:
1) Posture, gait and confidence or at least inner calm level is key to social standing, especially upon initially entering a social setting.

2) Timing of interjections and of being careful to mainly broach topics comfortable for NTs helps a ton, as otherwise they project onto you that you're outcasting them by talking so readily about mainly things you're interested in or knowledgeable on. So like if a guy you're talking to is a car guy and you know that, even if you know next to nothing, bringing up that topic and talking a bit helps ease the social tension on their end.

3) Women see everything socially speaking, ten times faster than men. And they have way more reactions and they're always way more guarded and subtle about those reactions too. So not only sexually, if like me, you're a heterosexual male and they interest you that way, but also in terms of not setting them off and/or letting them feel at ease it's key to be more scrutinous of their behaviors.

4) Body language, gestures, where they look, facial tics all count for like 99% of reactions and actual communication among NTs from what I've found. Often they'll talk just to engage someone but the topic literally doesn't matter to them just maintaining or strengthening, or even repairing! that connection to each other is what's key, and most of what's said is completely non-verbal. Often to the point of obscurity unless you train yourself a bit according to the next point.

5) A tip given to me by a friend that was two-fold is this: 1) Any stare at a given person for longer than 3 seconds is usually taken as intent to copulate with or kill them as far as "lizard brain" type reactions. 2) Try going into a bustling social setting and just kind of chilling not hiding but being unobtrusive in an unoccupied corner for awhile. And then, just....study those people. Not in an obsessive or creepy way, but just try to learn what their gestures, postures, space bubbles between their body, cadence and rhythm of talking, dominance or submission in posture, and so on mean for any given person or people.

6) Another tip to be aware of: if you notice people with more intense scrutiny when they first enter a setting, it's usually easier to gauge their mood from posture and walk and so forth and know what types of interactions they'll be having. So, if someone is say, pissed off, you'll know about it and won't bug em and end up in an unnecessary fight, or conversely seductively interested in you, you might actually pick up on the subtle flirting for the very first time.

Hope these help, it's what I've got so far.
 
Bad at socialising here, I hate big Family get together events, a few months back we attended my Cousin's 40th at a local Farm, don't get me wrong I like seeing Family members I don't see much of, but the whole big social gathering in a big room thing puts me off, unless there's food and lashings of Beer involved, and even then I tend to take off into a quiet corner with me Pint.

This is me at any event that I have to go to, and it's only just hit me now when I read that. Whenever we have to go to anything, I would prefer to have my back against the wall, rather than be out in the open. (Preferably in a corner out of the way.)
 
I have gotten better at it. Mostly by mimicking whatever others are doing.

This ^

Though in my own case the key word here is "mimicking". It doesn't mean I become Neurotypical and adapt accordingly. It just means I fake it in part and not likely in whole. Like a part in a play that only lasts for a few hours until the next "acting gig".

Those who have the opportunity to see who I am "between performances" are apt to abandon me at some point. Or as Gwen Stefani once sung, "It's My Life!" :eek:
 
This ^

Though in my own case the key word here is "mimicking". It doesn't mean I become Neurotypical and adapt accordingly. It just means I fake it in part and not likely in whole. Like a part in a play that only lasts for a few hours.

Those who have the opportunity to see who I am "between performances" are apt to abandon me at some point.

Yeah I can mimic to a point. Goes to hell if I'm in an unfamiliar situation though. I find that I'm not as good at faking it as some people, as NT's (typically who don't know me well) can still tell something is off. They'll either pull a face at something I said or did, or laugh.
 

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