Yet another Evaluation

[Jenisautistic]

Hi everyone, it's me Jen. I just wanted to say that for my services I had yet another evaluation. This one is very interesting as it says that there is not evidence for ASD or something like that also that my iq is 73


Here are some parts that I would like to highlight that may be interesting

obtained a Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) score of 73, placing her overall intellectual functioning in the Very Low range at the

4th percentile. (This range was formerly referred to in prior versions of the EWAIS as "Borderline.") This score indicates that

she experiences significant difficulty with tasks requiring general reasoning, problem solving, and cognitive efficiency when

compared with same-age peers
obtained a Total Raw Score of'

24, corresponding to a T-score of 37 and a 10th percentile rank, which falls within the range classified as Minimal-to-No

Symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

This score indicates that, based on behavioral observations and informant reports, characteristics typically associated with

autismsuch as deficits in social reciprocity, communication, and restricted or repetitive behaviorswere not evident to a

clinically significant degree at the time of assessment. The individuals social engagement, use of language, and adaptive

responses to environmental and interpersonal demands were generally consistent with expectations for individuals without an

autism spectrum diagnosis.

CARS-2 results do not alone support the presence of clinically significant autism-related symptomatology, and findings are not

consistent with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

She interacted

in a personable cooperative manner, making appropriate eye contact. Notably, she did not exhibit typical autistic traits or signs

of thought disorder.

She has carried multiple neurological and psychiatric diagnoses over the years, though the clinical rationale and support for

some remain unclear to the undersigned.

It also says mild dysarthria notwithstanding it says

Diagnostic Impressions:

F01.0Major Neurocognitive Disorder

R41.83Borderline Intellectual Functioning

G80Cerebral Palsy

G40.90Epilepsy

F06Psychotic Disorder due to a medical condition, by history

These are some of the things I find interesting and are curious about

At least they don't see any issues with mental health that's kind of a relief
Although these report are still hard to understand
I still believe I've ASD though

 

[Matthias]

IQ affects social interaction and communication skills, resulting in many people with lower IQ having more difficulty in these areas. One of the criteria for ASD is that these deficits must be significantly more severe than others with the same IQ. It sounds like they're saying that your ASD-related deficits (autistic traits) are similar to others with the same level of intellectual functioning (IQ).

Autistic traits are fairly common even in people with average or above-average IQ (around 10% of people have them) but most people's autistic traits aren't severe enough to qualify for a diagnosis of ASD. Research I've read indicates the cause of these autistic traits is likely the same regardless of whether someone's deficits are severe enough to qualify for a diagnosis of ASD. That would explain why you and others with autistic traits can relate to and identify as autistic even if a doctor doesn't think your autistic traits are severe enough to qualify for a diagnosis.

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

Label does not change who you are. 2 sigma below mean for IQ which probably is difficult to measure, and could possibly make it hard to determine If you are ASD being an adult.

 

[WhitewaterWoman]

Hi everyone, it's me Jen. I just wanted to say that for my services I had yet another evaluation. This one is very interesting as it says that there is not evidence for ASD or something like that also that my iq is 73


Here are some parts that I would like to highlight that may be interesting

obtained a Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) score of 73, placing her overall intellectual functioning in the Very Low range at the

4th percentile. (This range was formerly referred to in prior versions of the EWAIS as "Borderline.") This score indicates that

she experiences significant difficulty with tasks requiring general reasoning, problem solving, and cognitive efficiency when

compared with same-age peers
obtained a Total Raw Score of'

24, corresponding to a T-score of 37 and a 10th percentile rank, which falls within the range classified as Minimal-to-No

Symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

This score indicates that, based on behavioral observations and informant reports, characteristics typically associated with

autismsuch as deficits in social reciprocity, communication, and restricted or repetitive behaviorswere not evident to a

clinically significant degree at the time of assessment. The individuals social engagement, use of language, and adaptive

responses to environmental and interpersonal demands were generally consistent with expectations for individuals without an

autism spectrum diagnosis.

CARS-2 results do not alone support the presence of clinically significant autism-related symptomatology, and findings are not

consistent with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

She interacted

in a personable cooperative manner, making appropriate eye contact. Notably, she did not exhibit typical autistic traits or signs

of thought disorder.

She has carried multiple neurological and psychiatric diagnoses over the years, though the clinical rationale and support for

some remain unclear to the undersigned.

It also says mild dysarthria notwithstanding it says

Diagnostic Impressions:

F01.0Major Neurocognitive Disorder

R41.83Borderline Intellectual Functioning

G80Cerebral Palsy

G40.90Epilepsy

F06Psychotic Disorder due to a medical condition, by history

These are some of the things I find interesting and are curious about

At least they don't see any issues with mental health that's kind of a relief
Although these report are still hard to understand
I still believe I've ASD though

Jen, most “experts” don’t know how to assess autism in adults, especially in adult women.

Some people with autism can make eye contact and be sociable when necessary. Women in particular can be more social than the standard “male” autist.

Your reading and writing skills are above a 73 IQ.

I am not qualified to make assessments, but I spent over 20 years working with people with developmental disabilities and reading all their assessments, so I have some idea of what is going on in your assessment.

The last diagnosis is a mental health diagnosis, just so you know. It does say “by history” which means this assessor didn’t see it.

Take a look at the qualifications of this person who did the assessment. I’d be interested in seeing that, if you care to share it.

 

[oregano]

IQ testing is trash, the original idea was to remove undesirables from society using "science". The testing is more subjective than objective, even today. I know that ASD is really hard to diagnose, my own main diagnoses are "depressive type schizoaffective disorder" and OCD not otherwise specified. For someone with cerebral palsy you seem on the higher functioning end of it. Cerebral palsy comes with developmental and cognitive delays/disorders. That and epilepsy would likely be your keys to getting services. Don't argue with the "experts" about ASD, just focus on using cerebral palsy and epilepsy to get the services you need.

 

[Mary Terry]

@Jenisautistic - Your IQ is much higher than 73. I'm not qualified to diagnose or test you, but your ability to read and write and your insights into your life and the world tell me that you're a very bright young lady.

 

[oregano]

@Mary Terry: I presume the evaluators here are using the Mensa scale, which runs from 50 to 150. 75 is considered the upper cutoff for intellectual impairment, which is probably why @Jenisautistic got slapped with a "borderline intellectual functioning" label. She seems to be able to express herself in a manner which doesn't jibe with intellectual impairment. Sometimes ASD Level 1 can have interests or ways of expression that doctors consider "childlike" or "below age appropriateness" which of course is subjective. I know that when my mom tried to get me services in the mid 1970s the "experts" were all arguing with each other as to my intellectual impairments or lack thereof. It was the "refrigerator mother" era so their philosophical orthodoxy crashed into their observed experience of me and they couldn't handle the professional cognitive dissonance. It reminds me of the infamous Carrie Bell case where Bell was labeled an "imbecile" by the SCOTUS. A reporter who interviewed her in the 1970s when she was elderly said she seemed to be of normal intelligence. My opinion of the whole mess can't be posted to this forum, but I hate it.

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

In the 1960's my mother was told I was intellectually challenged, year later a genius neither was correct. So take it with a grain of salt. You know who you are I did. Have never been big on the so called soft sciences.

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

@Mary Terry: I presume the evaluators here are using the Mensa scale, which runs from 50 to 150. 75 is considered the upper cutoff for intellectual impairment, which is probably why @Jenisautistic got slapped with a "borderline intellectual functioning" label. She seems to be able to express herself in a manner which doesn't jibe with intellectual impairment. Sometimes ASD Level 1 can have interests or ways of expression that doctors consider "childlike" or "below age appropriateness" which of course is subjective. I know that when my mom tried to get me services in the mid 1970s the "experts" were all arguing with each other as to my intellectual impairments or lack thereof. It was the "refrigerator mother" era so their philosophical orthodoxy crashed into their observed experience of me and they couldn't handle the professional cognitive dissonance. It reminds me of the infamous Carrie Bell case where Bell was labeled an "imbecile" by the SCOTUS. A reporter who interviewed her in the 1970s when she was elderly said she seemed to be of normal intelligence. My opinion of the whole mess can't be posted to this forum, but I hate it.

Remember this story. Also a savant who passed the medical exam went, state I think, to a supreme court as they would not give this individual his license.

 

[Sarah S]

Reg messuring Iq on us with NP diagnosis (incl Asd ) its very well known that its NOT possible. And therefore cant be used in any way for us Jen. Im also significantly below average Iq and yet here i am perfectly able to participate in here and all the rest. So yes you are most likley way above the claimed Iq level Jen. wouldent surprice me if youre simular to me or even over me so i wouldent worry to much about my friend.

(btw on so called online Iq tests im 64 ) officually im way above that but still significantly lower than average )

And reg youre questions reg you are having Asd or not. They recently have narrowed down the demanded (ie the specific criterias to get Asd diagnose) criterias to get Asd diagnose making the demands way higher to actually get said Asd diagnose Jen. So, this might also be why you are not currently in this test up to the criterias to get Asd diagnose. So again i wouldent worry or feel too concerned on this diagnose or not my young friend.

 

[oregano]

In the 1960's my mother was told I was intellectually challenged, year later a genius neither was correct. So take it with a grain of salt. You know who you are I did. Have never been big on the so called soft sciences.

Yep same here. Two different evaluators, one said "trainably mentally challenged" (using more modern terms) and the other said "genius IQ". Then the two evaluators start arguing with each other over who was right. Then they observed my mom interacting with me and it was obvious that she was very sweet and loving to her boy so I COULDN'T have been autistic since she wasn't a cold unfeeling wretch! Never mind that I was obviously autistic.