Really a disorder?

[Nitro]

All individuals have their own personal strengths and weaknesses.
In a clinical setting, I think it is proper to try to define them.
In a psychological setting, it is viewed as a disorder in order to define it on that level.

Take Asperger's syndrome for instance.
Too broad of an area on the spectrum to sort out who actually needs what level of support, so in the DSM 5, it was dropped in favor of three definitions of support needs.

Some still feel that Asperger's should have remained so they could keep their identity.
Many still refer to themselves as aspies.
Nothing has changed in them except the clinical definition.

Personally, Asperger's Syndrome sounds every bit as scary as saying you have an autism spectrum disorder, and still requires further explanation of the term to those not familiar with it.

 

[Tom]

It more or less all comes down to being born into a very social species. It would be different if we were deer or raccoons, etc. Its far from perfect but I for one am glad I wasn't born into a insect social species. Males are pretty much useless baggage except for one short race to mate which all but one lose and all die after. Or even worse being a male Black Widow spider. Those are often eaten by the female after mating. Some date night.

 

[Streetwise]

Ummm, an uninjured brain?

definition of norm :something that usual ,typical or standard

It more or less all comes down to being born into a very social species. It would be different if we were deer or raccoons, etc. Its far from perfect but I for one am glad I wasn't born into a insect social species. Males are pretty much useless baggage except for one short race to mate which all but one lose and all die after. Or even worse being a male Black Widow spider. Those are often eaten by the female after mating. Some date night.

or even worse what human women suffer........

 

[Tom]

definition of norm :something that usual ,typical or standard

or even worse what human women suffer........

You mean being taken out for a hamburger or pizza instead of somewhere nice?

 

[the_tortoise]

So categorizing it as a disorder really does negatively affect those of use who are negatively affected by it but not to the level that we can't be self-sufficient, hold down jobs, etc.

I don’t think calling it a disorder or disability is the problem, I think negative attitudes towards disabilites and disorders is the problem.

There is no shame in having a disability or disorder, whether or not you are able to attain a normal level of independence (with or without help/accommodations).

 

[Streetwise]

You mean being taken out for a hamburger or pizza instead of somewhere nice?

ah my other answer slipped into this, I meant rape! for years or assault for years, bleeding once a month for 40!!!!!years ,horrifically in childbirth or menopause

 

[SDRSpark]

I don’t think calling it a disorder or disability is the problem, I think negative attitudes towards disabilites and disorders is the problem.

There is no shame in having a disability or disorder, whether or not you are able to attain a normal level of independence (with or without help/accommodations).

I feel like you took that one sentence out of context and didn't really grasp the rest of my post.

The reason seeing it as a "disorder" can be harmful has nothing to do with shame. It has to do with the fact that those of us who aren't "disabled enough" can't get diagnosis and support. As per the rest of my post.

 

[Fino]

The reason it's considered a difference is because there is nothing inherent to Autism which is problematic.

I honestly don't think you got my point.

Calling a cut a warm fuzzy name won't make it feel any better.
Calling autism by another name won't either.

As opposed to a cut, a diagnosis impacts the identity. How it impacts the identity matters in part to what it's referred to and how it's thought of.

 

[the_tortoise]

I feel like you took that one sentence out of context and didn't really grasp the rest of my post.

The reason seeing it as a "disorder" can be harmful has nothing to do with shame. It has to do with the fact that those of us who aren't "disabled enough" can't get diagnosis and support. As per the rest of my post.

You are right. Sorry about that.

However the problem you are talking about where there is no support for those who need it, I think saying it is not a disorder will only make it harder to get support, not easier - and/or make it so even more people are denied support.

 

[SDRSpark]

You are right. Sorry about that.

However the problem you are talking about where there is no support for those who need it, I think saying it is not a disorder will only make it harder to get support, not easier - and/or make it so even more people are denied support.

That's part of the overall point that I was trying to make...that it's a conundrum with no simple straightforward answer. Or in other words...the entire structure of society has to change with regards to this issue - changing how we're categorized won't fix it because that's not the true problem.

 

[Nitro]

You are right. Sorry about that.

However the problem you are talking about where there is no support for those who need it, I think saying it is not a disorder will only make it harder to get support, not easier - and/or make it so even more people are denied support.

Wow, look, someone who sees that there is a positive reason to the name.

 

[Nitro]

The reason it's considered a difference is because there is nothing inherent to Autism which is problematic.



As opposed to a cut, a diagnosis impacts the identity. How it impacts the identity matters in part to what it's referred to and how it's thought of.

You seem to have a great deal of focus on the negative aspect of a label instead of setting a sight on overcoming an obstacle that would better your outcome.

 

[Pats]

do you think wired differently! is dis!- ordered ,is different dis?

According to the definition, yes. Our brains are put together a little differently and functions a little differently. I think the word disorder may have a negative tone to it, but it doesn't need to.

 

[Pats]

do you think if you suffer permanent !!!brain injury and you are neurotypical you are disordered ?

is the brain functioning differently than the typical brain? I guess it would. My son has a brother-in-law that was in an accident years ago with a brain injury. He's the kindest person I've ever met in my life, but he has no short term memory and will repeat his greeting several times each time he sees me. He can not take care of himself because he won't remember what he's doing. What is it you would like to call it? I'm game for new terms.

 

[Pats]

To be honest I am very thankful that I was born with the brain I was born with. I prefer my attitudes and ways of thinking and doing things over my siblings thinking and attitudes, and most people in general. I was born without the automatic critical judgement and shallow thinking and I'm glad I'm without those things. I am speaking of siblings.

 

[SDRSpark]

To be honest I am very thankful that I was born with the brain I was born with. I prefer my attitudes and ways of thinking and doing things over my siblings thinking and attitudes, and most people in general. I was born without the automatic critical judgement and shallow thinking and I'm glad I'm without those things. I am speaking of siblings.

I don't know if I'm thankful that I was born this way, exactly, but I wouldn't change it now. I've worked the bugs out so to speak and learned the system. Starting over with a new way of experiencing the world in my 30s is not something I even want to think about LOL!

 

[BrokenBoy]

People who say it shouldn't be classfied as a disorder are beyond selfish.

 

[zurb]

I’ve posted this before, but it seems relevant to the subject at hand:
The discovery of aspie criteria

It’s only ‘disorder’ or ‘condition’ because we’re not in the majority. It’s not like NTs are perfect either.

 

[Fino]

You seem to have a great deal of focus on the negative aspect of a label instead of setting a sight on overcoming an obstacle that would better your outcome.

Just to be completely clear, here's the post you responded to with your post:

"The reason it's considered a difference is because there is nothing inherent to Autism which is problematic.



As opposed to a cut, a diagnosis impacts the identity. How it impacts the identity matters in part to what it's referred to and how it's thought of."

I don't see any negativity in what I said. I'm not sure what you're thinking. It feels as if you accidentally quoted my post and then responded to someone else's.

 

[Fino]

The subject of whether or not it's a disorder and the subject of whether or not it should be considered a disorder are entirely different subjects.