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Most jobs now require social and emotional intelligence

Aspea

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This is kind of me venting...

Remember data entry jobs? Now adays, virtually all data entry jobs require you to also answer the phones.

Remember records clerk jobs? Now adays, those jobs are far far fewer in number and very difficult to find or get.

Remember warehouse / production jobs? They mostly moved to China / India.

Remember medical coder? This job has now become very easy to get fired from, for such offenses as not fitting into the "workplace culture."

Remember entry level jobs? Now they require a bachelor's degree or knowing the right person. Although it was headed in that direction already 15 years ago.

And as soon as I think I've found a job ad that will be a good fit, I find that it has a social / emotional intelligence component.
 
I sent a health and safety inspector running one day, he randomly chose the business I was working in for an inspection that day.

I had a beer in my hand and was taking a swig as he walked in, his nose was out of joint right from the start. I also had a very strong smell of marijuana hanging around me and instead of steel capped boots I was wearing a pair of thongs.

He started berating me about breaking the law, I pulled him up short and told him off for misquoting law in order to represent his own personal convictions. He asked me to explain so I did.

The law states that my employer must provide insurance for all employees, which he has done. By not complying to the insurance company's regulations I have negated my right to claim insurance but I was perfectly within my rights to do so if I wish. Yes I am quite aware that I am working uninsured but that is by my choice, not by my employers, not by my government, and most certainly not by a large commercial corporation from another country. Take a hike!

He went. :D
 
This is kind of me venting...

Remember data entry jobs? Now adays, virtually all data entry jobs require you to also answer the phones.

Remember records clerk jobs? Now adays, those jobs are far far fewer in number and very difficult to find or get.

Remember warehouse / production jobs? They mostly moved to China / India.

Remember medical coder? This job has now become very easy to get fired from, for such offenses as not fitting into the "workplace culture."

Remember entry level jobs? Now they require a bachelor's degree or knowing the right person. Although it was headed in that direction already 15 years ago.

And as soon as I think I've found a job ad that will be a good fit, I find that it has a social / emotional intelligence component.
You're correct. The job market dynamics are changing quite a bit. Now, and for the near future (5-10 years), I have a sense that skilled labor will be the "hot ticket" as, at least in the US, there's been a renewed push towards infrastructure improvements and shifting away from "big oil" to "big electric". The trickle down with all the new technology is requiring significant upgrades to our existing systems, new construction, and a long list of other major projects.

A lot of those "entry level" jobs, especially those requiring repetitive motions or high-risk environments will be taken over by A.I. and robots. Tesla is starting production in January, 2025. So, this transition won't take long, given the $25,000 price tag for a robot that will pay for itself in a few months and then be free labor.

Data entry, records/clerks, warehouse/production jobs will easily be taken over by A.I. and robots.

In 10-15 years, the job market landscape for humans will look quite different. Hang on to your hats kids, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
 
I still recall that fateful day in 1981 when they plopped an IBM computer down on my desk.

The easy pace of doing manual paperwork had just ended. The day the music died...
 
And you wonder why I can't even get a simple job without college. I couldn't do college because of the social aspect I can never make a single friend there. Also I can never pass most of the classes because again being ostracized not having any friends or anyone to talk or study with seeing couples, platonic's and cliques everywhere I would flunk.

I am going to try to get an increase in my SSDI next year and maybe my church and friends there can give me some low paying part time temp under the books work.

Edit: Dammit it's against the law. Social security wants you to live in poverty. But i by some miracle I do get a job on my own my autism will mess it up and I will lose it then I will have nothing.
 
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I still recall that fateful day in 1981 when they plopped an IBM computer down on my desk.

The easy pace of doing manual paperwork had just ended. The day the music died...
I remember last position secretary typed my lab reports next position I had to do it my self on computer steep learning curve.
 
And you wonder why I can't even get a simple job without college. I couldn't do college because of the social aspect I can never make a single friend there. Also I can never pass most of the classes because again being ostracized not having any friends or anyone to talk or study with seeing couples, platonic's and cliques everywhere I would flunk.

I am going to try to get an increase in my SSDI next year and maybe my church and friends there can give me some low paying part time temp under the books work.

Edit: Dammit it's against the law. Social security wants you to live in poverty. But i by some miracle I do get a job on my own my autism will mess it up and I will lose it then I will have nothing.
i remember you said you have been unemployed since 2001, you have only had 1 job right? what was it again and how long did you work there? have you even tried to get a basic job such as in cleaning or as a janitor as well? not even a restaurant job?
 
All I see in jobs is pressure, rules, and expectation of attention to detail - things that most of us with ADHD and/or anxiety disorders can find draining and difficult. And then they blackmail you by giving you a pay rise just so that they can put more pressure on you and force you to work Sundays and public holidays when you never had to before. That trick doesn't work on me. A pay rise means paying more tax. It doesn't exactly make you richer. And I don't want the money, I just need the money. Well, I do want money if it's enough to be able to rent or buy a little home away from noisy neighbours, but getting a pay rise in an otherwise menial job isn't really going to satisfy me into happily giving into more stress and pressure.
 
And you wonder why I can't even get a simple job without college. I couldn't do college because of the social aspect I can never make a single friend there. Also I can never pass most of the classes because again being ostracized not having any friends or anyone to talk or study with seeing couples, platonic's and cliques everywhere I would flunk.

I am going to try to get an increase in my SSDI next year and maybe my church and friends there can give me some low paying part time temp under the books work.

Edit: Dammit it's against the law. Social security wants you to live in poverty. But i by some miracle I do get a job on my own my autism will mess it up and I will lose it then I will have nothing.
I tried to apply for SSDI. They told me even though my autism made it nearly impossible to get a job, the fact that I did have a job for 12 years meant that I was capable of working, therefore ineligible for support. They did put me on a job find/support/training program, but absolutely nothing happened (no interviews, no contacts, no recommendations or suggestions) for six months and I quit.

I once met a blind lady who was a receptionist. If she lost her job, would she be refused support because she had been working. I also know a couple paraplegics? If they lost their jobs, would they be refused support because they had been working? I suspect in both situations, they would go back on SSDI without a problem.
 
I tried to apply for SSDI. They told me even though my autism made it nearly impossible to get a job, the fact that I did have a job for 12 years meant that I was capable of working, therefore ineligible for support. They did put me on a job find/support/training program, but absolutely nothing happened (no interviews, no contacts, no recommendations or suggestions) for six months and I quit.

I once met a blind lady who was a receptionist. If she lost her job, would she be refused support because she had been working. I also know a couple paraplegics? If they lost their jobs, would they be refused support because they had been working? I suspect in both situations, they would go back on SSDI without a problem.
What they don't seem to realise is that all jobs are different, so just because someone has worked doesn't mean they're up for anything. My friend has Downs syndrome and has difficulty in employment. She works part-time in a supermarket but if she lost her job she probably would struggle to get another job, as a job in another supermarket might not be the same and might be more demanding or difficult or less disability-friendly.

I am capable of working but I do get very anxious easily and can't handle too much stress. If I am under stress I get all tearful and my chest goes all tight and I decide I can't cope with life. While I can still carry on, I don't think it does my health much good. Stress is a silent killer, as they say.
 
This is kind of me venting...

Remember data entry jobs? Now adays, virtually all data entry jobs require you to also answer the phones.

Remember records clerk jobs? Now adays, those jobs are far far fewer in number and very difficult to find or get.

Remember warehouse / production jobs? They mostly moved to China / India.

Remember medical coder? This job has now become very easy to get fired from, for such offenses as not fitting into the "workplace culture."

Remember entry level jobs? Now they require a bachelor's degree or knowing the right person. Although it was headed in that direction already 15 years ago.

And as soon as I think I've found a job ad that will be a good fit, I find that it has a social / emotional intelligence component.

I've noticed a slow creep of things like this, too. Everybody seems to want the "generic human", who's also willing to sacrifice integrity for the company, throw people under the bus when needed and draw as little attention to themselves as possible. They must also be great with people, but gossiping (aka being deceptively two-faced behind their back) is strongly encouraged. Bonus points for being as stealthy, sneaky and slimy as possible.

You know things are bad when simple honesty and a good work ethic don't mean anything anymore.
 
I've noticed a slow creep of things like this, too. Everybody seems to want the "generic human", who's also willing to sacrifice integrity for the company, throw people under the bus when needed and draw as little attention to themselves as possible. They must also be great with people, but gossiping (aka being deceptively two-faced behind their back) is strongly encouraged. Bonus points for being as stealthy, sneaky and slimy as possible.

You know things are bad when simple honesty and a good work ethic don't mean anything anymore.
It does at our place. There's a bully-type bloke at work who doesn't like me, but everyone I spoke to about it - including the union - seem to dismiss what I say because he's a good engineer and does the job really quick but really effectively too. So everyone seems to like him because of that.
 
I've noticed a slow creep of things like this, too. Everybody seems to want the "generic human", who's also willing to sacrifice integrity for the company, throw people under the bus when needed and draw as little attention to themselves as possible. They must also be great with people, but gossiping (aka being deceptively two-faced behind their back) is strongly encouraged. Bonus points for being as stealthy, sneaky and slimy as possible.

You know things are bad when simple honesty and a good work ethic don't mean anything anymore.
You've touched on another important point. I am now middle aged, but when I was in my early 30s, I figured out that most "prestigious" corporations that I might have worked at, had I succeeded in become an Engineer, are deeply corrupt, and are not deserving of honest, hard-working, employees who have integrity.

Example: Boeing, which was once owned and operated by engineers, began a long downhill slide after the takeover by non-engineers (who's interests did not lie in a quality product, but pure profit for the sake of profit without any other considerations--but that is a whole other topic).

And it seems that the vast majority of companies/corporations have the problems you mentioned, which would make me lose respect for the company, and then everything else goes out the window because if I can't respect the company, I cannot give my loyalty and hard work, and if I can't do that I feel extremely inauthentic, and like, what am I doing here? Time to move on.
 
When I was taking night school they usually had one lesson where a group activity was expected noticed it did usually not work as expected. However after many years of employment noticed the opposite is usually true one person made the big break through.
 
I prefer working as a group rather than on my own. Communication isn't something I find a challenge at work - unless I'm confronted or bullied, because I find it difficult to stand up for myself. (Yes, my offline persona is a bit different to my online persona.) Otherwise I have been told I make a good team player and that I co-operate well. My high anxiety and stress levels don't really interfere with my team communication skills. In fact I'm less anxious when working alongside others.

Like when I did voluntary work at a charity shop when I was younger, I used to feel really scared being alone on the till and having the responsibility of the customers and the money. But sometimes another volunteer would go on the till with me, and my anxiety just went out of the window. I was more chatty with the customers and had fun chattering with the other volunteer as we went along.
 
You've touched on another important point. I am now middle aged, but when I was in my early 30s, I figured out that most "prestigious" corporations that I might have worked at, had I succeeded in become an Engineer, are deeply corrupt, and are not deserving of honest, hard-working, employees who have integrity.

Example: Boeing, which was once owned and operated by engineers, began a long downhill slide after the takeover by non-engineers (who's interests did not lie in a quality product, but pure profit for the sake of profit without any other considerations--but that is a whole other topic).

And it seems that the vast majority of companies/corporations have the problems you mentioned, which would make me lose respect for the company, and then everything else goes out the window because if I can't respect the company, I cannot give my loyalty and hard work, and if I can't do that I feel extremely inauthentic, and like, what am I doing here? Time to move on.
Corporations take on a life of their own, and the only priority is survival of the corporation. People are nothing more than "cogs in the mechanism", often seen as liabilities, not assets, and the rule in business is limit your liabilities and maximize your assets.

A person is only an asset if the decisions they make or the work that they do create more money for the company than what they are being paid.

So, if you're wondering why the company you work for is resistant to hiring enough staff or paying a living wage, this is why. It's not about the people. It's company first. Many people are disposable liabilities.

You hear these people out on the streets with picket signs, fighting for increased wages and benefits, often with union representation, "Pay me what I am worth!" Be careful what you wish for, because to the company, you may be costing them money. You may be worth "negative dollars" in many cases.

Example: At our hospital system, we are one of the largest employers in Michigan, US and our insurance division is one of the largest in the US, period. Hundreds of thousands of employees. Big. We have a corporate policy that if someone leaves the organization or even shifts from one position to another, that open position will go to review. It may take months before Human Resources makes a decision to post a replacement position because they will dig into whether or not hiring another person will actually result in more profit. I always got frustrated when a person leaves or moves, all their projects are left, sometimes abandoned, and then if and when a replacement shows up there is nobody to train them. It's a clean slate and they have to train themselves how to do the job. Personally, I think it's a stupid way to operate a business from a job performance perspective, but from a corporate accounting perspective, money talks and people don't matter, even within healthcare.

Furthermore, when I talk to my team about the potential roles and applications of A.I. and humanoid robots in healthcare, the initial reaction is to scoff it off as impossible, as if it will never happen. Humans need to take care of humans. The emotional interactions. I look at them and say, "You mean to suggest, that our corporate leaders, when presented with an opportunity to fill needed healthcare positions with A.I. operated humanoid robots that can be purchased at 3X LESS than a human, that will not make human mistakes, that will pay for itself in a few months, and then result in free labor, that YOUR job will be secure?" "This will sweep through healthcare like a wildfire and you won't know what just happened because it will not creep in, but rather hit us like a tidal wave."
 
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Corporations take on a life of their own, and the only priority is survival of the corporation. People are nothing more than "cogs in the mechanism", often seen as liabilities, not assets, and the rule in business is limit your liabilities and maximize your assets.

From my own perspective of both working for corporations and being a shareholder, is that they perceive only three assets of any corporation:

1) Shareholders and the equity they bring to the bottom line
2) Directors
3) Officers

In that order. Everyone else is just a liability to culled and let go, much like cattle. Including at times, even their own retail customers.

Had I just been born 20 or 30 years earlier....and survived two or three wars....life with gainful employment would have been so much less stressful.
 
Everyone else is just a liability to culled and let go, much like cattle. Including at times, even their own retail customers.
I am not really sure how anyone puts up with this demoralizing reality in their day to day workplace.

When I read articles about the importance of emotional and social intelligence in the workplace, I do not believe they are talking about having genuine empathy for your co-workers in which you sincerely care about them and their happiness and their lives, but rather tactical or strategic empathy--the kind where you figure out what the other person or people or clients or customers want, and use that to manipulate them to obtain your own or the company objectives, putting aside moral or ethical considerations.

And what corporation wouldn't want its cogs to get along well, so the machine runs smoothly?
 
I am not really sure how anyone puts up with this demoralizing reality in their day to day workplace.

When I read articles about the importance of emotional and social intelligence in the workplace, I do not believe they are talking about having genuine empathy for your co-workers in which you sincerely care about them and their happiness and their lives, but rather tactical or strategic empathy--the kind where you figure out what the other person or people or clients or customers want, and use that to manipulate them to obtain your own or the company objectives, putting aside moral or ethical considerations.

And what corporation wouldn't want its cogs to get along well, so the machine runs smoothly?
They don't care how smooth the machine runs. Only that a perpetual flow of shareholder equity is maintained. A dynamic I witnessed up close and personal through a corporate name that nearly everyone here has heard of.

They didn't care if or when a patch for a game came out for customers. Only that such issues could be "spun" to keep the shareholders happy on a quarterly basis. Something that was once uttered to me by a public relations representative well known in the computer gaming industry around the turn of the century.
 

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