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Is this love?

Madame Catfish

...Fascinating...
I hate to bother anyone who might be reading this downpour of what might be perceived as no more than a stereotypical flood of teenage angst, but I have a genuine question that would best be answered by people with similar neurological wiring.

I have had a friend for six years. Family friend, visits our house every couple of weeks but has now lived in college town for the past three years. We met on stage, strangely enough, whenever I was about ten and he fifteen.

This question comes into play, however, due to a conversation I had with some of my classmates. I was beginning to be concerned that I had some sort of heart defect due to the occasional heavy thumping and light airy feeling I get in my chest on occasion, stemming from about six years ago. They had asked me about the specifics and soon pointed out that all of these "attacks" coincided with me being around, texting with, or even thinking about this friend.
As of now, I can see how ridiculous my previous hypothesis of a heart defect was, as my chest is feeling airy at the mention of my friend. I have examined my behaviour since then and have come to the definite conclusion that this feeling, whatever it may be, is a response to this friend. Perhaps I had diverted myself from the obvious due to my unwillingness to admit that I could respond to another individual in such a positive way. I say positive, but sometime this feeling burns or keeps me from thinking of other things. I have never slept well, but this feeling has occasionally disrupted my sleep these past years.

Anyhow, my classmate concluded that I must be sexually attracted to this friend of mine, for they believe the feeling I described to be a sexual response. I will admit that my hands become sweaty and my pulse quicker when addressing my friend, but I don't feel any stimulation in the genital area. I often want to reach out and hug my friend (something highly unusual for me), but I have never had any desire for coitus whatsoever. We often hug and this airy feeling intensifies during these occasions, but as stated previously, I don't recognise any sexual urges. Sometimes, when we are both laying on the sofa, I have the urge to snuggle with him, but not in a sexual context: I'm curious if all of these feelings are some sort of repressed expression of a subconscious romantic inclination towards him, because it doesn't seem common for friends to snuggle or hug as frequently as we do.

This post is becoming excruciatingly long and I apologise to anyone bothering to read it, but I am providing as much information as I can in search for the most accurate answer.

Another reason that I am not quite sure if the classmate's (plural classmates, actually, as many other people joined in) answer is accurate is that I don't have any feelings of jealousy, as people are prone to have when in love with somebody. My friend has had a girlfriend for the past couple of months, but when he had first told me of this I felt nothing but happiness. This friend is very lonely, and has had many bad experiences with girls taking advantage of his unusual (A bit too extreme, in my opinion) niceness. It is not uncommon for people to bum rides off of him when they are drunk or make him pay for things, but this girlfriend is a good person. She has come over a couple of times before and is amiable (though sometimes she shows an unusual coldness towards me, compared to her like of my parents) and I am glad that my friend has someone to be happy with. Yet, on the other hand, he hasn't been visiting us as often as he used to because of his occupation with this girlfriend and this irritates me. I don't know if this is jealousy, though, because I feel nothing towards her, but rather a frustration at his lack of visits.

Yet then again, my fondness for his smell might be cited as evidence for my having a romantic inclination towards him. I have a very sensitive nose and recognise others by their smell, and I have never met anyone who's smell is as pleasant as that of my friend, not even my closest family members have scents that comfort me as much as his. A few years ago, upon my request, he put a piece of paper I had given him in his coat pocket for a while and then given it back so that I could have a sample of his smell with me. Whenever I have bad days, I can open the book I put it in and the smell makes me almost as happy as when he is here.

I cannot tell if I am in love or not. I cannot accept either answer from myself, because, in saying no I might be deceiving myself and in saying yes I might be talking of a subject I know nothing about.

Have you had any similar experiences?

What do you think?

If I am in love, are there any good methods for suppressing this feeling or should I just withdraw from this individual?

I don't know what more to say or ask. I don't mean to sound hopelessly melodramatic, but I'm sick of losing sleep over this. The idea that I might have been in love for so many years and deceived myself of the fact scares me, but so does the idea that I have a heart defect. XD I just need a third person opinion on this, someone unbiased as I come from a small town where many of my classmates have pre-conceived notions as to my friend and I. In a way, I think the people telling me I was in love were trying to fulfil their own romantic notion that someone like me could be subject to love. In a way, I also think they might have been right.

And then again, they might be wrong. }:/

I have such a headache. Thanks to anyone who managed to read my entire catharsis all the way through, it must have been cringe worthy in it's adolescent confusion. :)
 
I'm afraid I'm not going to be terribly helpful with my reply, and I certainly don't have an answer for you, but I will just give you my thoughts. Firstly, that you feel the need to ask if it's love is sort of telling ;) You should consider that there are a million different kinds of love. Certainly from what you're describing, you love your friend. Are you IN love with you friend, in a romantic sense? I don't think anyone could tell you yes or no except yourself, and maybe that's something that will have to unfold in time. To me it sounds like you have a strong, deep connection to this person. I can only liken it to the feeling I have for my partners - - I have one main partner, lifemate, whatever you want to call it, but we each realize love is not a measurable thing. For instance, me loving my lifemate does not reduce the amount of love I am able to have for anybody else. I have many friends who I hug, cuddle, etc. without it becoming a romantic or sexual thing. You certainly have the physical responses of someone who loves another person.

I think it's wonderful that you have someone in your life who makes you feel so nice and comforted. As long as you two are clear on your expectations and boundaries of your relationship (whatever that may be), I don't think it matters if it's "love" or not. Communication can be extremely difficult, but sometimes necessary. I hope you are able to relax, let go, breathe, and accept all the lovely things you feel towards your friend.

Don't take my word for it though, I'm a dirty hippie. :sunflower:
 
[QUOTE="Madame Catfish, I will admit that my hands become sweaty and my pulse quicker when addressing my friend. I often want to reach out and hug my friend [/QUOTE]

mmm...Hmmm...:hearteyes::hearteyecat:...:screamcat:....Ooh you're so cute I want to hug the stufyings out of you :pandaface:. Sorry...:D you've got it baaad!:sheep: Make your play and pray, or take cold:snowflake: showers for a while.:cryingcat: Sigh! love is grand even when it's squashing you like a bug.:beetle:

Hey another new Jess :confused: you're awfully cute for a dirty hippie, thanks for ruining the fantasy.o_O
 
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I'm afraid I'm not going to be terribly helpful with my reply, and I certainly don't have an answer for you, but I will just give you my thoughts. Firstly, that you feel the need to ask if it's love is sort of telling ;) You should consider that there are a million different kinds of love. Certainly from what you're describing, you love your friend. Are you IN love with you friend, in a romantic sense? I don't think anyone could tell you yes or no except yourself, and maybe that's something that will have to unfold in time. To me it sounds like you have a strong, deep connection to this person. I can only liken it to the feeling I have for my partners - - I have one main partner, lifemate, whatever you want to call it, but we each realize love is not a measurable thing. For instance, me loving my lifemate does not reduce the amount of love I am able to have for anybody else. I have many friends who I hug, cuddle, etc. without it becoming a romantic or sexual thing. You certainly have the physical responses of someone who loves another person.

I think it's wonderful that you have someone in your life who makes you feel so nice and comforted. As long as you two are clear on your expectations and boundaries of your relationship (whatever that may be), I don't think it matters if it's "love" or not. Communication can be extremely difficult, but sometimes necessary. I hope you are able to relax, let go, breathe, and accept all the lovely things you feel towards your friend.

Don't take my word for it though, I'm a dirty hippie. :sunflower:

Thank you for managing to read the entire rant, I feel as though you deserve an award for making it all the way through. XD I miss him terribly. I don't know what the boundaries of our relationship are, though, That's why I was concerned. I don't know if I have a romantic inclination towards him and it would surely be disastrous if I do, as there is a large age gap and he is considered a part of our family and the family would certainly not approve. I think we both expressed a weird romantic thing a couple of years ago when he left for college and we missed eachother, but we never acted on anything and it wasn't an ongoing phenomenon. I'm just hugely confused and scared that I might be attached to someone. I don't like the idea of being dependent on someone else emotionally, but now that he has been absent for a little while I am beginning to recognise how integrated he was in my life. Love has always been an abstract entity to me anyway, I'm just concerned that it might be romantic or sexual in nature.
 
Thank you for managing to read the entire rant, I feel as though you deserve an award for making it all the way through. XD I miss him terribly. I don't know what the boundaries of our relationship are, though, That's why I was concerned. I don't know if I have a romantic inclination towards him and it would surely be disastrous if I do, as there is a large age gap and he is considered a part of our family and the family would certainly not approve. I think we both expressed a weird romantic thing a couple of years ago when he left for college and we missed eachother, but we never acted on anything and it wasn't an ongoing phenomenon. I'm just hugely confused and scared that I might be attached to someone. I don't like the idea of being dependent on someone else emotionally, but now that he has been absent for a little while I am beginning to recognise how integrated he was in my life. Love has always been an abstract entity to me anyway, I'm just concerned that it might be romantic or sexual in nature.

Boooo :p :rose::kissingheart:.......:rolleyes:
 
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!אוי ויי (Oy Vey!) Why do people always think I'm joking... these faces are confusing me even more. I think it's time to log off and do something involving less confusion, like reading my current Thomas Harris novel that involves a man sneaking into an art museum to eat a priceless painting.
 
What do all of these faces mean? Why do we have so many emoticons on this website whenever half of us are incapable of reading the facial expressions?

Ha ha! you cant read a kissy face and a rose. It means stop over thinking things and see if you can get him to kiss you before it's too late.;) sorry Maels being bad today:smilingimp:
No russian curse words I can look them up:D
 
Ha ha! you cant read a kissy face and a rose. It means stop over thinking things and see if you can get him to kiss you before it's too late.;) sorry Maels being bad today:smilingimp:
No russian curse words I can look them up:D

Not Russian, not quite curse words, lol. It's "Oy Vey" in Hebrew script. It's Yiddish and means something like "Oh god... I have to put up with this, too." It's kind of related to "Oy Gevalt" (
געוואלד אוי I think you'd spell it) which is more of a cursing expression, though. :)
 
Not Russian, not quite curse words, lol. It's "Oy Vey" in Hebrew script. It's Yiddish and means something like "Oh god... I have to put up with this, too." It's kind of related to "Oy Gevalt" (
געוואלד אוי I think you'd spell it) which is more of a cursing expression, though. :)

Okay Mael is sorry for teasing you, I've been there too with Ooh the birds are sing today. But I wasn't totally kidding if he's not your first cousin give it a go, trust me lost moments in time haunt you the most. If it crashes and burns, so what, at least you tried and you won't have to wonder the rest of your life how wonderful it could have been. And Mael is not being mean :innocent: just a little naughty:tonguewink:
 
I hate to bother anyone who might be reading this downpour of what might be perceived as no more than a stereotypical flood of teenage angst, but I have a genuine question that would best be answered by people with similar neurological wiring.

I have had a friend for six years. Family friend, visits our house every couple of weeks but has now lived in college town for the past three years. We met on stage, strangely enough, whenever I was about ten and he fifteen.

This question comes into play, however, due to a conversation I had with some of my classmates. I was beginning to be concerned that I had some sort of heart defect due to the occasional heavy thumping and light airy feeling I get in my chest on occasion, stemming from about six years ago. They had asked me about the specifics and soon pointed out that all of these "attacks" coincided with me being around, texting with, or even thinking about this friend.
As of now, I can see how ridiculous my previous hypothesis of a heart defect was, as my chest is feeling airy at the mention of my friend. I have examined my behaviour since then and have come to the definite conclusion that this feeling, whatever it may be, is a response to this friend. Perhaps I had diverted myself from the obvious due to my unwillingness to admit that I could respond to another individual in such a positive way. I say positive, but sometime this feeling burns or keeps me from thinking of other things. I have never slept well, but this feeling has occasionally disrupted my sleep these past years.

Anyhow, my classmate concluded that I must be sexually attracted to this friend of mine, for they believe the feeling I described to be a sexual response. I will admit that my hands become sweaty and my pulse quicker when addressing my friend, but I don't feel any stimulation in the genital area. I often want to reach out and hug my friend (something highly unusual for me), but I have never had any desire for coitus whatsoever. We often hug and this airy feeling intensifies during these occasions, but as stated previously, I don't recognise any sexual urges. Sometimes, when we are both laying on the sofa, I have the urge to snuggle with him, but not in a sexual context: I'm curious if all of these feelings are some sort of repressed expression of a subconscious romantic inclination towards him, because it doesn't seem common for friends to snuggle or hug as frequently as we do.

This post is becoming excruciatingly long and I apologise to anyone bothering to read it, but I am providing as much information as I can in search for the most accurate answer.

Another reason that I am not quite sure if the classmate's (plural classmates, actually, as many other people joined in) answer is accurate is that I don't have any feelings of jealousy, as people are prone to have when in love with somebody. My friend has had a girlfriend for the past couple of months, but when he had first told me of this I felt nothing but happiness. This friend is very lonely, and has had many bad experiences with girls taking advantage of his unusual (A bit too extreme, in my opinion) niceness. It is not uncommon for people to bum rides off of him when they are drunk or make him pay for things, but this girlfriend is a good person. She has come over a couple of times before and is amiable (though sometimes she shows an unusual coldness towards me, compared to her like of my parents) and I am glad that my friend has someone to be happy with. Yet, on the other hand, he hasn't been visiting us as often as he used to because of his occupation with this girlfriend and this irritates me. I don't know if this is jealousy, though, because I feel nothing towards her, but rather a frustration at his lack of visits.

Yet then again, my fondness for his smell might be cited as evidence for my having a romantic inclination towards him. I have a very sensitive nose and recognise others by their smell, and I have never met anyone who's smell is as pleasant as that of my friend, not even my closest family members have scents that comfort me as much as his. A few years ago, upon my request, he put a piece of paper I had given him in his coat pocket for a while and then given it back so that I could have a sample of his smell with me. Whenever I have bad days, I can open the book I put it in and the smell makes me almost as happy as when he is here.

I cannot tell if I am in love or not. I cannot accept either answer from myself, because, in saying no I might be deceiving myself and in saying yes I might be talking of a subject I know nothing about.

Have you had any similar experiences?

What do you think?

If I am in love, are there any good methods for suppressing this feeling or should I just withdraw from this individual?

I don't know what more to say or ask. I don't mean to sound hopelessly melodramatic, but I'm sick of losing sleep over this. The idea that I might have been in love for so many years and deceived myself of the fact scares me, but so does the idea that I have a heart defect. XD I just need a third person opinion on this, someone unbiased as I come from a small town where many of my classmates have pre-conceived notions as to my friend and I. In a way, I think the people telling me I was in love were trying to fulfil their own romantic notion that someone like me could be subject to love. In a way, I also think they might have been right.

And then again, they might be wrong. }:/

I have such a headache. Thanks to anyone who managed to read my entire catharsis all the way through, it must have been cringe worthy in it's adolescent confusion. :)
There are different ways of feeling love for someone. Sometimes it includes jealousy, but not always. I myself have been in love and not been too jealous.

I'm going to guess (anyone can contradict me) that jealousy is often connected with a sexual desire. Perhaps one wants to have sex with that person and doesn't want anyone else to do so. In your case, you're not feeling a sexual element.
 
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I think the age gap only matters when there is a sexual element.

People assume that being in love must always have a sexual component, but htat is not always the case.

However, other people can still be judgemental about an age gap, even in friendship.
How big is the age gap anyway? Up to a certain point, even that doesn't have to be too important, imo.
P.S: I just re-read, and the age gap is only five years. That's not very much. Of course, if you are still a minor and he isn't, you will have to be cautious to make sure no one mistakenly thinks you are sexually involved.
 
Also, if you are still young...
I think that in some people the sexual part of their psyche takes longer to develop than for others. In my case, it didn't develop until my late twenties. I think that in many Aspies, it develops later than in others. I fell in love several years before I became interested in sex. When I finally did become interested in sex (I still haven't actually had it) it was in regards to sex with the person with whom I had already been in love.
 
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I think the age gap only matters when there is a sexual element.

People assume that being in love must always have a sexual component, but htat is not always the case.

However, other people can still be judgemental about an age gap, even in friendship.

Ummm...shes got it pretty bad I think if any arms get put around any one the elements will be....Ahem! anyways I think the age thing is stupid and 5 years is nothing as you get older. I'm not even going to tell you how much younger my ex was who was chasing me for 2 years:D of course I clean up a little better than some at my age.:D
 
Ummm...shes got it pretty bad I think if any arms get put around any one the elements will be....Ahem! anyways I think the age thing is stupid and 5 years is nothing as you get older. I'm not even going to tell you how much younger my ex was who was chasing me for 2 years:D of course I clean up a little better than some at my age.:D
Well I'm not going to tell you how much older the guy was I spent several years chasing around ;)

Only older guy I've felt that way about. But he had an amazing personality.
 
Well I'm not going to tell you how much older the guy was I spent several years chasing around ;)

Only older guy I've felt that way about. But he had an amazing personality.

HA! everyone pulls out their wretched little lists and forget they are going to be living with that person 30 billion years. A bowl of sunshine starts to look pretty good after you have been stuck in the same house with him for 6 months. I don't know why nice guys are spit on so much, we scrub up pretty good with a little TLC.:p Haven't seen that work with too many bad boys.:rolleyes:
 
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I think the age gap only matters when there is a sexual element.

People assume that being in love must always have a sexual component, but htat is not always the case.

However, other people can still be judgemental about an age gap, even in friendship.
How big is the age gap anyway? Up to a certain point, even that doesn't have to be too important, imo.
P.S: I just re-read, and the age gap is only five years. That's not very much. Of course, if you are still a minor and he isn't, you will have to be cautious to make sure no one mistakenly thinks you are sexually involved.

I know the age gap isn't huge in the great scheme of things, but when we met I was in elementary and he was almost through High School, and that idea kind of sticks.
 
I know the age gap isn't huge in the great scheme of things, but when we met I was in elementary and he was almost through High School, and that idea kind of sticks.

I know, and I'm sorry for teasing you, He does sound nice and magic is magic. That gap is nothing at my age, and who cares what your family thinks. Do you you want me to tell you all the horror stories of how helpful my family is in my love life.:rolleyes: Sometimes you just have to do what you need to do, and let them sort them selves out later.o_O
 
I suggest that you do live him very much AS A BROTHER. Because he is not related, it can be easy to confuse emotions and indeed, the fluttering of the heart and the sweaty palms, so indicate a romantic inclination towards him, but your complete lack of jealously, with him having a girlfriend, throws that out.

I have to say that when I have felt sexually attracted to the opposite sex, I do not react downstairs; it is all in my head.

With my husband, some times, I react in that area, but mostly it is just a comfort feeling, when we hug. Actually, he is the only human, so far, that I get a sense of feeling, when we hug.

I believe your classmates are confusing you. It is automatically jumped on that if you get breathless when he walks in etc that the conclusion is being in love. But truly, the fact it doesn't bother you a jot that he has a girlfriend, really does not equate.

Personally, I would just keep concentrating on your deep friendship, but you are going to have to face reality, that his girlfriend, might not app recite the idea of you too being that close.

Is your friend an aspie too? It would explain why he has this deep connection ie hugging you and yet has a girlfriend otherwise, his motives have to be questioned.
 
It certainly sounds like romantic love or the butterflies of infatuation (but seeing as you've know each other so long, more than infatuation...so romantic love). You don't always have to be possessive of the other person to be in love. Because you genuinely like and care about this person, you are able to be happy for them even if that doesn't include you romantically...you usually see this when the love is less sexual in nature (I agree with Ste11aeres here). It can be old couples for whom the passion has died and they are able to genuinely put the other first. It can be polyamorous people who love without wanting to possess. I don't know about asexual people.

Romantic attachment doesn't have to include sexual attachment, or it may be that for you they don't immediately link up, but one would follow the other if you were put in that position. It's sort of like this for me, in relationships with men especially. I don't have much immediate sexual or physical desire for men, but I can fall head over heels in love with them. And usually that is enough to help along the physical element. Society likes to tell you that these two things are inextricably bound, but that's not actually true for a number of people.

ETA: I was trying to think of times I have experienced jealousy, but I think, like you, it was not 'genuine' jealousy. It was being upset that I could not trust the person I loved, or that they would be unavailable to me or not return my feelings. I don't know if that's actually normal or not, so I looked up jealousy and was informed that it is related to anxiety and fear about losing what you had. If that's true, then maybe I share the root of jealousy, but most people link that up more to the other person as the 'threat', whereas I do not. I don't assume that another person threatens the relationship and take the relationship on its own terms (just between the two of us)...actually I'm not sure why this is. Maybe just another failure to get social consequences. I think in many ways, this is a good thing. Jealousy is awful. Anyway, maybe it's similar for you?
 
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