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Is the root of shutdown and meltdown just anxiety?

I find anxiety whether from internal thoughts/ conflicts,
or external can cause meltdowns.
Shutdowns for me come from emotional situations such as changes in plans, hyperfocussing on negativity or unresolved anger.

I have read articles that it is a type of dissociative state.
When the brain cannot handle something that is too overwhelming it is a protective mode to take you out of the situation even though it doesn't feel good.
So it is a type of warning also.
Getting out of the loop of causation is the only way to get relief. It will then go away and you gradually start to regain control of self.
 
I am not so sure about that. Well, at least for me, anxiety is not the cause of meltdowns and shutdowns.

Being too much in the "public" eye wears me out and when I am feeling on a high, my husband will say: you know you are not good for two day's of activity, so don't be overly eager, as you will then let others down.

Lack of logic drives me into a meltdown. Injustice; cruel words etc, hurtles me into a meltdown, but my last one, was halted, due to pain near my heart. Thankfully not heart pain, but it did balance me out.
 
If you can't read social signals you can switch to fight or flight.

A heightened state of alert.

Being autistic can mean you're in it for no reason.

The brains safety mechanism,flight or fight, can go wonky and turn on all the time.
Maybe meltdowns are also like a low battery, emergency is sounded.
Have to plug in and recharge.

A bit,but not quite
 
If you can't read social signals you can switch to fight or flight.

A heightened state of alert.

Being autistic can mean you're in it for no reason.

The brains safety mechanism,flight or fight, can go wonky and turn on all the time.
Maybe meltdowns are also like a low battery, emergency is sounded.
Have to plug in and recharge.

A bit,but not quite
I experience a shutdown I don't want to fight or run which says to me it's another form of panic
 
For me, shutdowns are the result of mental overload. They occur after a period of intense activity and I just kind of burn out. The talking, listening and having to respond, plus the environment I'm in, literally make my head feel like it's going to burst and I can't do it any more. It's almost painful and I need to rest. Afterwards, the next day even, I feel kind of washed out, brainfogged and tired. Sometimes I have a headache or feel nauseous.

Meltdowns (for me) occur as a result of a build op of emotion which overflows and I can no longer hold it. The emotion may be anxiety-driven, but may also be the result of frustration. I typically have meltdowns in situations where I feel a lack of control over my situation or environment. This causes anxiety, or frustration, both can lead to meltdown.

I will present some typical scenarios to represent how I experience these things:

Scenario 1: Meltdown. I'm in the supermarket. It's a Saturday, so the supermarket is busier that usual, and there are lots of families with small, noisy children. I start to feel very irritable. The children shout, and I cover my ears. Everything seems so bright and colourful! I start to loose concentration, and wander from aisle to aisle, unable to concentrate on my original purpose. I finish (usually I forget things) and join the queue. At the checkout, the scanner is beebing loudly, and a family with a crying baby joins the queue after me. I want to pace, but I can't, because I'm in the queue. Somebody wants to take my place in the queue because he has 2 items fewer that what I have, and I snap at him, I can still hear the beeping and money chinking and items scratching and bags rustling and I can't stand it any more and just freak out. Or, I realise I forgot something, and I feel upset and tearful. I don't feel anxious (or I'm not aware of anxiety), but I feel emotional out of proportion to the situation. I feel unusually sensitive to my environment and all stimulation, whether external or internal.

Scenario 2: Shutdown. I'm on a day trip with my partner. It's a bright, sunny day, there's a lot to see, I'm in the car, the car is moving. He is naturally very talkative, and talks away, I talk back when I can get a word in edgeways, cheerful and happy. An hour later, I start to feel very tired, I don't feel like talking. I struggle to stay focused on him and his talking, and to respond. I don't want to talk any more and start to give monosyllable answers, because I don't want to talk, but don't want him to feel ignored, I want to be polite. His chatter starts to be almost painful, and my head feels like it's about to burst. I loose my ability to focus on him talking and to respond, and withdraw into myself, and stop talking. He senses this and leaves me alone. I get home,spend some time alone, listen to some quiet music, watch a video, then after a while, feel like chatting again.

Scenario 3: Shutdown. I'm talking to a student. Suddenly, something unexpected happens: my partner comes and tells me that he had his wallet stolen (example). The student, who doesn't realise what is going on at my end, continues to talk and demand my attention. Student. Wallet. Student. Wallet. Nothing. I just can't think and can't speak. Flee. I go to the bathroom for 10 minutes. After a few minutes, my head is clear again and can I can continue.

Scenario 4. A client consitently has been cancelling at last minute, or wanting to change the time of the lesson, or not turning up for lessons. I am getting increasingly frustrated, but dealing with it via email in a direct, but polite way. One day, I call the student, but instead of getting the student, I get his mum. His mum explains that the student is unavailable for the lesson because he has a playdate over, and how sorry she is. Two things can happens here - 1. I can't speak, I stutter and mumble, trying to say ok and remaining polite, but struggling, because not, it's NOT ok to do this to me. Or 2. I get frustrated and tell her that this is not ok, and why. She then gets upset and starts to shout at me, how she is busy and how she didn't have time to write me the 30 second email to cancel the lesson, etc. I am taken aback, and can't organise my thoughts to respond and defend myself, so say nothing. I close the call, but know that I performed badly, in an incompetent way, I start to analyse and think of all the things I should have said and hate myself, why can't I handle things like a 'normal' person, I'm useless, I can't handle my job and shouldn't be doing it, Now I probably lost that client and what am I going to do? I start pacing, rocking/stimming and getting really upset, it's like a vortex spiralling down. I don't want to talk or do anything for the rest of the day. The next day, I have brain fog, feel nauseous, and perhaps have a headache.
 
For me, shutdowns are the result of mental overload. They occur after a period of intense activity and I just kind of burn out. The talking, listening and having to respond, plus the environment I'm in, literally make my head feel like it's going to burst and I can't do it any more. It's almost painful and I need to rest. Afterwards, the next day even, I feel kind of washed out, brainfogged and tired. Sometimes I have a headache or feel nauseous.

Meltdowns (for me) occur as a result of a build op of emotion which overflows and I can no longer hold it. The emotion may be anxiety-driven, but may also be the result of frustration. I typically have meltdowns in situations where I feel a lack of control over my situation or environment. This causes anxiety, or frustration, both can lead to meltdown.

I will present some typical scenarios to represent how I experience these things:

Scenario 1: Meltdown. I'm in the supermarket. It's a Saturday, so the supermarket is busier that usual, and there are lots of families with small, noisy children. I start to feel very irritable. The children shout, and I cover my ears. Everything seems so bright and colourful! I start to loose concentration, and wander from aisle to aisle, unable to concentrate on my original purpose. I finish (usually I forget things) and join the queue. At the checkout, the scanner is beebing loudly, and a family with a crying baby joins the queue after me. I want to pace, but I can't, because I'm in the queue. Somebody wants to take my place in the queue because he has 2 items fewer that what I have, and I snap at him, I can still hear the beeping and money chinking and items scratching and bags rustling and I can't stand it any more and just freak out. Or, I realise I forgot something, and I feel upset and tearful. I don't feel anxious (or I'm not aware of anxiety), but I feel emotional out of proportion to the situation. I feel unusually sensitive to my environment and all stimulation, whether external or internal.

Scenario 2: Shutdown. I'm on a day trip with my partner. It's a bright, sunny day, there's a lot to see, I'm in the car, the car is moving. He is naturally very talkative, and talks away, I talk back when I can get a word in edgeways, cheerful and happy. An hour later, I start to feel very tired, I don't feel like talking. I struggle to stay focused on him and his talking, and to respond. I don't want to talk any more and start to give monosyllable answers, because I don't want to talk, but don't want him to feel ignored, I want to be polite. His chatter starts to be almost painful, and my head feels like it's about to burst. I loose my ability to focus on him talking and to respond, and withdraw into myself, and stop talking. He senses this and leaves me alone. I get home,spend some time alone, listen to some quiet music, watch a video, then after a while, feel like chatting again.

Scenario 3: Shutdown. I'm talking to a student. Suddenly, something unexpected happens: my partner comes and tells me that he had his wallet stolen (example). The student, who doesn't realise what is going on at my end, continues to talk and demand my attention. Student. Wallet. Student. Wallet. Nothing. I just can't think and can't speak. Flee. I go to the bathroom for 10 minutes. After a few minutes, my head is clear again and can I can continue.

Scenario 4. A client consitently has been cancelling at last minute, or wanting to change the time of the lesson, or not turning up for lessons. I am getting increasingly frustrated, but dealing with it via email in a direct, but polite way. One day, I call the student, but instead of getting the student, I get his mum. His mum explains that the student is unavailable for the lesson because he has a playdate over, and how sorry she is. Two things can happens here - 1. I can't speak, I stutter and mumble, trying to say ok and remaining polite, but struggling, because not, it's NOT ok to do this to me. Or 2. I get frustrated and tell her that this is not ok, and why. She then gets upset and starts to shout at me, how she is busy and how she didn't have time to write me the 30 second email to cancel the lesson, etc. I am taken aback, and can't organise my thoughts to respond and defend myself, so say nothing. I close the call, but know that I performed badly, in an incompetent way, I start to analyse and think of all the things I should have said and hate myself, why can't I handle things like a 'normal' person, I'm useless, I can't handle my job and shouldn't be doing it, Now I probably lost that client and what am I going to do? I start pacing, rocking/stimming and getting really upset, it's like a vortex spiralling down. I don't want to talk or do anything for the rest of the day. The next day, I have brain fog, feel nauseous, and perhaps have a headache.
that's one version
 
For me, shutdowns are the result of mental overload. They occur after a period of intense activity and I just kind of burn out. The talking, listening and having to respond, plus the environment I'm in, literally make my head feel like it's going to burst and I can't do it any more. It's almost painful and I need to rest. Afterwards, the next day even, I feel kind of washed out, brainfogged and tired. Sometimes I have a headache or feel nauseous.

Meltdowns (for me) occur as a result of a build op of emotion which overflows and I can no longer hold it. The emotion may be anxiety-driven, but may also be the result of frustration. I typically have meltdowns in situations where I feel a lack of control over my situation or environment. This causes anxiety, or frustration, both can lead to meltdown.

I will present some typical scenarios to represent how I experience these things:

Scenario 1: Meltdown. I'm in the supermarket. It's a Saturday, so the supermarket is busier that usual, and there are lots of families with small, noisy children. I start to feel very irritable. The children shout, and I cover my ears. Everything seems so bright and colourful! I start to loose concentration, and wander from aisle to aisle, unable to concentrate on my original purpose. I finish (usually I forget things) and join the queue. At the checkout, the scanner is beebing loudly, and a family with a crying baby joins the queue after me. I want to pace, but I can't, because I'm in the queue. Somebody wants to take my place in the queue because he has 2 items fewer that what I have, and I snap at him, I can still hear the beeping and money chinking and items scratching and bags rustling and I can't stand it any more and just freak out. Or, I realise I forgot something, and I feel upset and tearful. I don't feel anxious (or I'm not aware of anxiety), but I feel emotional out of proportion to the situation. I feel unusually sensitive to my environment and all stimulation, whether external or internal.

Scenario 2: Shutdown. I'm on a day trip with my partner. It's a bright, sunny day, there's a lot to see, I'm in the car, the car is moving. He is naturally very talkative, and talks away, I talk back when I can get a word in edgeways, cheerful and happy. An hour later, I start to feel very tired, I don't feel like talking. I struggle to stay focused on him and his talking, and to respond. I don't want to talk any more and start to give monosyllable answers, because I don't want to talk, but don't want him to feel ignored, I want to be polite. His chatter starts to be almost painful, and my head feels like it's about to burst. I loose my ability to focus on him talking and to respond, and withdraw into myself, and stop talking. He senses this and leaves me alone. I get home,spend some time alone, listen to some quiet music, watch a video, then after a while, feel like chatting again.

Scenario 3: Shutdown. I'm talking to a student. Suddenly, something unexpected happens: my partner comes and tells me that he had his wallet stolen (example). The student, who doesn't realise what is going on at my end, continues to talk and demand my attention. Student. Wallet. Student. Wallet. Nothing. I just can't think and can't speak. Flee. I go to the bathroom for 10 minutes. After a few minutes, my head is clear again and can I can continue.

Scenario 4. A client consitently has been cancelling at last minute, or wanting to change the time of the lesson, or not turning up for lessons. I am getting increasingly frustrated, but dealing with it via email in a direct, but polite way. One day, I call the student, but instead of getting the student, I get his mum. His mum explains that the student is unavailable for the lesson because he has a playdate over, and how sorry she is. Two things can happens here - 1. I can't speak, I stutter and mumble, trying to say ok and remaining polite, but struggling, because not, it's NOT ok to do this to me. Or 2. I get frustrated and tell her that this is not ok, and why. She then gets upset and starts to shout at me, how she is busy and how she didn't have time to write me the 30 second email to cancel the lesson, etc. I am taken aback, and can't organise my thoughts to respond and defend myself, so say nothing. I close the call, but know that I performed badly, in an incompetent way, I start to analyse and think of all the things I should have said and hate myself, why can't I handle things like a 'normal' person, I'm useless, I can't handle my job and shouldn't be doing it, Now I probably lost that client and what am I going to do? I start pacing, rocking/stimming and getting really upset, it's like a vortex spiralling down. I don't want to talk or do anything for the rest of the day. The next day, I have brain fog, feel nauseous, and perhaps have a headache.

I can relate to every word you wrote.

Like it was me in a different life.
 
I don't experience the same symptoms but I do shut down almost catatonic for an enth of a second
So you lose consciousness or awareness? I don't do that, I just lose the ability to process new, incoming information, and it can trigger a fight or flight response.

Edit: I guess it's different for everyone, each person experiences it in a slightly different way, or a person's neurological system can respond in different ways to overstimulation.
 
I’d always understood dissociation to be different to depersonalisation or derealisation in that the dissasociative state would run along the lines of amnesia.

In overwhelming situations we are very aware and very present. We can recall the most minute detail of the overwhelming stimulus.

There’s a suggestion therapeutic disassociation can be useful(?) in instances such as rape.
(Victim ‘tunes-out’ not ‘present’ during the trauma. Disconnects thoughts/feelings in that moment. Can create some form of amnesia?)


As I understand it to date (I haven’t finished looking)

My own responses to stimuli are the habits I’ve created in the absence of finding another way to deal/cope with it.

I look to neuroplasty and neurogenisis in the way neural pathways are formed and sometimes changed.
I understand a repeated behaviour over a long period of time becomes an unconscious habit.

To change my own ‘habit of a life time’ I first need to know what to change it to. What new habit to create.

In answer to one of your questions @fullsteam and this is just my personal belief, I currently think my own ‘fear response’ is at the very heart of all I presently do.
(Fear response having much to do with stress anxiety)
 
So you lose consciousness or awareness? I don't do that, I just lose the ability to process new, incoming information, and it can trigger a fight or flight response.

Edit: I guess it's different for everyone, each person experiences it in a slightly different way, or a person's neurological system can respond in different ways to overstimulation.
no totally aware totally conscious almost frozen
 
So you lose consciousness or awareness? I don't do that, I just lose the ability to process new, incoming information, and it can trigger a fight or flight response.

Edit: I guess it's different for everyone, each person experiences it in a slightly different way, or a person's neurological system can respond in different ways to overstimulation.
I think it's related to the predator will find or see you if you move
 
I’d always understood dissociation to be different to depersonalisation or derealisation in that the dissasociative state would run along the lines of amnesia.

In overwhelming situations we are very aware and very present. We can recall the most minute detail of the overwhelming stimulus.

There’s a suggestion therapeutic disassociation can be useful(?) in instances such as rape.
(Victim ‘tunes-out’ not ‘present’ during the trauma. Disconnects thoughts/feelings in that moment. Can create some form of amnesia?)


As I understand it to date (I haven’t finished looking)

My own responses to stimuli are the habits I’ve created in the absence of finding another way to deal/cope with it.

I look to neuroplasty and neurogenisis in the way neural pathways are formed and sometimes changed.
I understand a repeated behaviour over a long period of time becomes an unconscious habit.

To change my own ‘habit of a life time’ I first need to know what to change it to. What new habit to create.

In answer to one of your questions @fullsteam and this is just my personal belief, I currently think my own ‘fear response’ is at the very heart of all I presently do.
(Fear response having much to do with stress anxiety)

But perhaps dissociation is when you can't escape physically?
One step along in a meltdown?
I try to mentally block the outside... in busy places
So is that preventative dissociation?

Dissociation to prevent the intrusion of stimuli, shutting down first,
Going to my personal 'nowhere'
 
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But perhaps dissociation is when you can't escape physically?
One step along in a meltdown?
I try to mentally block the outside... in busy places
So is that preventative dissociation?

Dissociation to prevent the intrusion of stimuli, shutting down first,
Going to my personal 'nowhere'

I don’t understand enough about it at the moment to answer that Mr Fridge
Sorry :)
 
I don’t understand enough about it at the moment to answer that Mr Fridge
Sorry :)

Nor do I, I just started thinking about it in this way yesterday, so am speculating.

As I had more 'blocks' than I thought.
In a way,it was to protect myself from my own brain!
(We don't always get on)
 
Like baking...
:)

HFA cakes were as a result of not paying attention. :)

Physically I was making cup cakes, mentally I was processing an emotive situation and trying to find a way forward/solution for someone else.

If that was indeed what you meant.

Just goes to show I can’t do two things at once.
:)
 
But perhaps dissociation is when you can't escape physically?
One step along in a meltdown?
I try to mentally block the outside... in busy places
So is that preventative dissociation?

Dissociation to prevent the intrusion of stimuli, shutting down first,
Going to my personal 'nowhere'

I don't know, they seem distinct to me.

My meltdowns are usually emotional, but shutdown are not. Just stumuli and anxiety.

Example, shutdown : video meeting with Indian developers today caused a mild shutdown. I can run the call ok but I couldn't end it very well. Anxiety and 4 people talking, and trying to understand accents and project details.

Example, nearly a meltdown. Working hard, kids come I'm shouting, wife give me taco take away. It's not what I normally have as I've got to do FODMAP diet, the food is a bit cold, and shouldn't drink wine tonight as it might be I have ibs. It's all crap and I'm getting upeet about not being able to eat what I like, and drink wine.

I feel myself starting to lose is and head downstairs for quite time.

I do like your idea about not being able to escape, as a feeling of being trapped can often exist, especially in conversation and in shops. In the past I have bought things I don't want as I couldn't think how to get out of the shop with out buying something.
 

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