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Direct involvement in research

Discussion in 'General Autism Discussion' started by Rahere, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. Crossbreed

    Crossbreed Neur-D Missionary ☝️ V.I.P Member

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    I didn't pull any of that out of his dialogue. I am glad that you did.
    I (and other autistics) have worked in the same capacity with the leadership at US Autism Association.
     
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    That sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

    Yes , i agree with the point being aligned with the divine. This is what i am trying to do with my life.
     
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    Exactly. My anger is at the misrepresentation of our traits, and I'm ONLY talking about what I know about, personally. However, there's a lot more others can add, and I must certainly don't want to do a Temple Gradin on you. A lot of what's said is cop-out, "I think differently", for example. In what way? I think logically, but built a wide base of knowledge to a fairly deep level when young. That wasted a lot of time, though, as it was written for NTs. It's now 100 years since Binet looked at IQ, and all the work's gone into low-performance, out of sympathy, but not necessarily fruitfully. We've got issues at the top end, it's been presumed we can look after ourselves, so let's do so! Actively.

    A lot of it's left-hand brain, factual quantitative. But I suspect we're equally highly active in the right-hand emotive qualitative as well.

    My first agenda point is to survey where we are. I see an extension to normal linear mentation, into networked logic, and a general field of The Weird. This then leads to scoping.
    The next is to get these studied properly. Get academic studies on the books. The Koestler Institute proved how not to do it, pure science, Psychology doesn't constrain itself that way, though.

    So take the ball on, folks. Please can you say how it is for you, not in jargon terms the shrinks might understand, but in ways a newby might. The Tavistock Clinic lost my cerdit when I discovered they'd not met their standards of transparency in the 1960s, and the UK High Court recently removed their authority to decide for underage completely, in a different sextor, admittedly, but for the same behaviour. That's the home of Freud and Jung, and many psychologists take their high-handed cues from them.


    Then comes pure research. Are there lessons to be drawn and areas to experiment in?
    This is pure academe, in a new sub-domain. Work's being done near to it in the 3rd Sector, see Mosby's Complementary and Alternative Medicine as a foundation text.
     
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    I'm sniffing at a possible Uni affiliation after comments on the edge of a NeuroTheology seminar went well. I'll see what happens
     
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    Many of us have made autism a special interest, so we know the jargon whether we use it or not. I have worked technical helpdesk jobs before, so I always adjust my language to the listener, if I can get a handle on them.
     
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    UK National Autistic Society supervisor level.
     
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    I think that we are coming at the same problem from different angles.

    I don't think that we are going to get the respect (that you advocate for) until the concept of neuro-diversity is embraced by the medical community at large. Our (good) autism societies, here, recognize it, but that is as far as it goes.
     
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    So, are they on-board with the concept of neuro-diversity?
    (Some of our "autism" organizations are not.)
     
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    Fear often is the fruit of ignorance. These aren't bad men, just experts. As in ex=has been, spurt=drip under pressure. The recent history's been one of reaction, self-justification. Over-excitability? By comparison with dull milquetoast teachers. Give them some insight - and we're the real experts, we live with it 24/7 lifelong - and they'll sign up. Look at Temple Gradin. Nobody else had the courage to speak.

    I've posted an online seminar day on neurodiversity at the end of next month separately.
     
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    Nobody's ventured any ideas on how they think yet, though. I can only speak for myself, does it ring any kind of bell? The fact we make any kind of sense at all to an NT and conform to some kind of logic gives me hope. Imagine what a fully-telepathic group might do to linear communications like speech, for example!

    It's one reason I tend to hit jargon a bit, to pack an entire side-thread into a single word so readers don't need to go haring off after it and can stick to the main thread of what I'm talking about. My Warburg studies include big chunks of the reality used by some prime conspiracy theories to lend themselves credibility, and I don't want folks importing the guff with the reality, for example.
     
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    I think it would be good to start a new thread, write the the question clearly, and ask for responses.

    Is the question, What is your thinking like? If so, that could be the thread title.

    It might also be good to add some potential sub questions as prompts, such as, do you notice your thinking tends to branch in different directions, or is it more linear and straightforward? How complex does it get? How does your thinking link with your verbal/written communication? Do you think in pictures or like a film? Or how?

    Are you conscious of thinking logically? Do emotions come into your thinking?

    Right brain can be more creative, do you have a creative or empathic or telepathic feel to some of your thinking? What is it like? How do you use it? Do you feel understood?

    What do you see as different about your thinking, compared to that of neurotypicals?

    And/ or other questions or prompts.
     
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    What I'd like to do first is define the wider area so we're not flailing around at crossed purposes. Indeed, if you'd like to take the lead, please do so. I'm a pathfinder by nature, and above all else don't want to frighten people off by my attitude. Don't forget some folk have complex/multiple traits. I'd suggest
    1. Mentation
    2. Paranormal (in the sense of beyond normal) skills
    3. Meltdowns
    4. Management
    5. Education
    6. Socialisation
    7. Employment
    8. Health
    9. The Law
    10. ...
    This is why I was asking about a subforum, so it's not distracted by the mainstream ASD needs. It's already painful for them, and I'd greatly appreciate the ability to be discrete so as not to make it worse.
     
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    I got iinto the heavy stuff by listening. The young Samuel. Cut out the gabble, drop into meditation, and listen.
     
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    Not sure what you mean, can you say more about what the list is for?
     
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    Hi,

    I am also a big advocate for working with our divine planner. I see this relationship as a Love Bond.

    John
     
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    The field of interest is wider than just mentation. I think we need to treat high-performance as virgin territory, describing all facets of the subject from the sociological to the downtight freaky, preferably with eyewitnesses. I mean, what I've handled just ain't normal, and I'm not alone in it. It's the definition of normal that's wrong, because however much my father's engineering scepticism makes me want to count twice, the result remains the same, I understand my weird and have accurately predicted where it would go next. I'd like others with like backgrounds to have a say. Bugger the Blavatsky BS and all the noise that's echoed down the years, reality check 101, what gives empirically? What when where why how.
    Some of it intersects with other traits, giftedness for example, which isn't constrained to high-performance.
     
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    I see. From what I can tell, there are certainly a range of people here with particularly strong gifts in certain areas from what people have mentioned anecdotally, but maybe a lot of the people you may also want to contact would be elsewhere, as like you, they tend to get headhunted or do very well in their niche work. This usually provides for any lacks they might otherwise experience socially or relationally. Many of them won't be diagnosed I imagine, or see themselves as neurodiverse except in being exceptional.

    So maybe what we could do here, is ask people for what they regard as their strengths in the areas of interest, and also what has held them back in terms of utilising their strengths, within themselves, such as meltdowns and overwhelm, or from others or their environment?
     
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    I just want to add, I'm not really sure what IQ tests measure. To me they seem mainly a test of how well you do at puzzles, created by people who like, and are really good at puzzles.

    15-Puzzle.jpg

    And man do I suck at puzzles. The only way I could do the above is break the frame, arrange the squares and glue it back together. But that has to count for something right?

    ;)
     
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    You see I never would have thought of that. Genius! Also, until you posted that picture, I never realised that was what you were meant to do with those puzzles. Get the numbers in order. I wondered what the point of them was...
     
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