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Autism IS a Disability

Discussion in 'General Autism Discussion' started by Sapphire K, Mar 20, 2021.

  1. GrownupGirl

    GrownupGirl Tempermental Artist

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    I agree that ist is a disability. But disability is not the same as inability, it's just have to do things in a different way. I think the whole superpower thing is hogwash. What is my superpower even supposed to be? It sure isn't super strength or speed or intelligence. Whatever it is, it doesn't look like it's going to save the world anytime soon.:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Major Tom

    Major Tom Searching for ground control... V.I.P Member

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    It was a small study. If it was a conspiracy theory, everyone would have heard about it and be making fun of it. It's just another possibility of why there has been such fairly recent upswing in cases of autism.

    I honestly think that it's been here all along and just wasn't being diagnosed. People were just holed up and forgotten about in the past. That or they didn't survive.
     
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  3. WolfSpirit

    WolfSpirit Not a dictionary. Or a search engine

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    "Normal is a setting on the washing machine."
     
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  4. WolfSpirit

    WolfSpirit Not a dictionary. Or a search engine

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    And then there is the whole "better recognition of less severe forms" part, and better diagnostic capabilities than in previous years/decades. The whole concept if what's causing the whole "autism epidemic" as it tends to be called by curists, and clueless people who confuse autism with a disease, is a very complicated issue, and probably as productive to pursue as finding a "cure" is.
     
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  5. WolfSpirit

    WolfSpirit Not a dictionary. Or a search engine

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    Personally, I've always found autism to be a disability. I object to people's saying it isn't. I do, however, agree, mostly, about it being a difference rather than a disorder. Except that the medical model is the one that provides the funding for services, so... sometimes it is necessary to use their terminology. Personally, I think some mix between the social model and the medical model will end up being the most effective societally, when all the "dust" settles on that debate.

    Getting kids to see some of their autistic qualities as superpowers rather than defects can certainly be a benefit, as long as their difficulties, their "kryptonite" aren't ignored, or minimized.

    As usual, concepts like this one are complicated and have no one simple answer
     
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  6. SDRSpark

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    They have - maybe not that particular study, but the "cell phone radiation is killing us all" trope has definitely been a trend amongst conspiracy theorists. There's a whole market for quack devices to protect you from EMF from cell phones, WiFi routers, smart meters...This is all part of it. (Hilariously, some of them actually DO work - by preventing your cell phone or router from doing what it was designed to do in the first place. Putting your phone in a faraday cage renders it completely inoperable.)

    The paranoid types caught on to this long ago. And yes, the rest of us are making fun of them for it.
     
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  7. Ronald Zeeman

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    if albert Einstien had been diagnosed would he complain
     
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    I wish autism and disabilities generally could be widely accepted as something value-neutral.
     
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  9. Aspychata

    Aspychata Serenity waves, beachy vibes

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    Totally agree with this. The not knowing. So many times l have walked into new jobs and see things differently, software usage, sales techniques, and l have come up against serious resentment from other employees, so this actually has affected my employment many times over. My boss is extremely happy to have me onboard but my fellow workers end up hating me.
     
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  10. Sapphire K

    Sapphire K Autistic Demigirl! (She/They) V.I.P Member

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    My theory is the same as yours. ASD has always been around, it just hasn't gained widespread visibility until recently.

    Which also basically gives ASD the same situation of queerness.
     
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    And that visibility was brought about by an unprecedented increase in severe co-morbidities.
     
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  12. Aneka

    Aneka Well-Known Member

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    Like I've stated multiple times: Let people talk for themselves.

    If some people consider it a disability, they have a point. If they don't they do have a point. Words don't shape reality, they only express our perception of reality.
     
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    I'm a little reluctant to share my opinion, since I haven't been diagnosed yet. But I do seem to have a lot of the same issues as other autistic people. And while I don't consider them to be a disability, I certainly do have some difficulties. Between my sensory issues, my emotional issues, and my almost total inability to communicate with people, things can be pretty frustrating for me in ways that don't normally affect neurotypicals. But there are those whose symptoms interfere with their lives significantly more than mine do. So it seems to me that it is a disability for some, but not for others.

    For the sake of analogy, deafness is a disability. I'm not deaf, but I am hard of hearing. Because I can hear, I don't consider myself disabled, but there are some whose hearing problems would be considered a disability.
     
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  14. Major Tom

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    I don't know about that theory, I don't watch any source of news, do Facebook, or watch stupid garbage on YouTube. I do however do independent research from various sources. (Totally unlike conspiracy theorists, or even your average citizen). Most people just watch the news and believe everything they hear, I do not do this. I use my brain and the resources available to me to try and eek out an answer that is factual or at least plausible. I don't particularly care for your passive aggressive manner of lumping me in with conspiracy theorists. You do not know me or what I've been through. I'm not judging you, and I'd appreciate if you'd give me the same respect as I'm giving you.
     
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    WHAT? I never, ever said I thought you were a conspiracy theorist. Where did THAT come from??? That's not even close to what I meant.

    I have discussed this topic many times with people I know, friends, colleagues...it's not "people on the internet" believing this stuff, it's people I know in person.

    The fact that people believe crazy stuff doesn't have anything to do with you at all. Again, I have no clue where your accusation that I'm "lumping you in with conspiracy theorists" is coming from.

    Edit: By the way, it never actually occurred to me that you believed radio waves cause autism. I thought you were saying that you would have thought conspiracy theorists would have gotten ahold of the idea, and I was saying that they have.
     
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    First of all, if you got banned from a subreddit for saying this, good job. That's all I've got to say on that. I don't do well with echo chambers.

    Second, I think it's a mixed bag. There are some people who claim otherwise and I can see why. There are some people who see it that way or those who are in fact severely impaired and I can also see why.

    One thing it's not is a disease, and for those using that term in relation to ASD I say go back to Google and do your research again until you get it right.
     
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    From my point of view, autism is indeed a disability, however I do not believe in a “woe is me” attitude. I believe delving into the sorrow of disability is crippling in itself.

    I believe that the term “superpower” is a relative term and I believe that while autism is indeed a disability, there are elements of it that are very empowering if enabled by a positive attitude.

    I do not believe that encouragement is false hope or “inspiration porn”. I believe that inspiration helps people, regardless of their disability, to do better. Indeed, better is never perfect, but better is always better.

    There are examples of people with crippling disabilities that, with a positive attitude, achieve amazing success. For example, there are double amputee athletes, with both legs amputated, that have been disqualified from running races, not because they are disabled but because their custom prosthetic gives them an athletic advantage.

    There is Rebekah Taussig where too much focus, help and sympathy towards her disability is not helpful or welcome. See her story here.

    Greta Thunberg was a non-speaking autistic. Her discovery about climate change inflamed a passion in her that pushed her to speak. And so, she now speaks to the world. A feat I cannot even fathom.

    Michael Edwards – “Eddie the Eagle” is not “disabled” but is still a good example. Eddie Edwards had a childhood passion to be an Olympian. His disability is that he had no athletic talent. However, he had passion. While his performance was terrible at best, he still won an Olympic medal simply due to his passion.

    I believe my life can also be an example of an autism advantage. Yes, all throughout my life, including now, I suffer deeply from autism, but my relentless autistic passion resulted in fulfilling my childhood dream. A dream that I do not believe would have ever happened if I was not autistic. My dream, starting in my single digit years, was to be an electronics design engineer. However, my autistic disabilities and my extremely poor math skills, dashed that dream. But, in the end, I am now a retired electronics design engineer. An engineer with no degrees or any college. I did not have any master plan for achieving this. I had no idea what to do. I didn’t even have any imagination that it was possible. It just happened. I was unable to work any job that required social skills, but I could not shake my passion for relentless study of electronics. I got technician jobs where I just followed directions working in a quiet backroom. With my autistic social disability and lack of understanding of the social structure of the career field, I would often build a circuit and add it to a device to improve its performance or add a function or sometimes I would just modify the device – without ever asking permission. While this would infuriate my boss, there were a few instances where the information about the improvements made it to the design engineers, prompting them to come look at what I did. Then the engineers started bringing their design documents to me for my input. That practice then became company policy. Finally, I was promoted to senior engineer. From my perspective, that is an autistic "superpower" - but I am still disabled. Among many issues, I am completely disabled if other people are moving about or talking in the same room.

    These examples are not intended to say that the positives and negatives equal, or even that the positives outweigh the negatives. They do not. But that is not any reason to subdue or dismiss or reject positive encouragement. I believe that regardless of the type of disability; building on strengths, however small or limited, always improves one’s life. It is possible to be disabled and still have a “superpower”. One does not negate the other.
     
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    Amazing you sound very SIMILAR TO MY younger brother, electronic whiz, aspie. the stuff he does is very similar. his latest interest is the stock market retired years ago. wealthy .designs rquipmen from from the ground up for automotive suppliers now works for fun only. bit of a hemit.
     
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  19. Ronald Zeeman

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    interesting story he would not buy a tv for his kids thought it was to primitive a device he could easily build not worth the money.
     
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    [​IMG] (What post are you replying to...? [​IMG]) whisper
     
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