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Why I Think **Relationships And Sex** Are Just Too Dangerous For Some Aspies

Hopeless_Aspie_Guy

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If you’re a guy who can relate to this in any way then by all means chime in, tell me about your story or advise me.
Women’s comments, questions or advice is still welcome too. I apologize for the length of this otherwise abridged article/question.


To me, looking through an online dating catalog of women is almost as pointless as looking at a porno site, you’re looking at things you can never have and are partially conflicted about wanting in the first place. You look at each profile and it might as well be a fantasy to hope for anything and this is part of the danger, especially when you see someone so perfect physically or in terms of having many shared interests.
I’m still in many ways a 17yr old or younger in my mind even though parts of it are adult. I can’t really laugh or joke with someone or even do general banter (unless there’s a specific subject to discuss).
If you imagine a much less annoying Sheldon cooper (from big bang theory, because like him I have aspergers) in a realistic world where the likes of Penny is naturally never gonna associate with the likes of him and his group of friends, then in some ways (not all) I’d kinda resemble his perceived awkwardness around women and it’d also be similar to his relationship with his girlfriend Amy (though I have additional problems he does not).
I just want and need the feelings to go away (the romantic and the sexual), I need the pressure taken off of me to have what I do not have and want what I’m lead to believe (in a biological and instinctive way I guess) that I need. This all escalated in the face of the coming of so many irreversible problems and so long as it remains, so too does the dependence, but if the feelings were removed then so would the partially correct assumption it’d bring the happiness it never could (not even if I did get a girlfriend I actually considered to be good looking, even though in many ways it would make things better for the time being). I need to stop wanting people to care enough to want to try and advise or offer sympathy or to even criticize me for not wanting a relationship (I don’t get this often, but I liked it and I shouldn’t have, so now I’m practically asking for it in my mind even though overall understandably almost no-none really cares).
Trying for a girlfriend (through the more likely but never the less impossible means of online dating over anything face to face) is just cruel towards me and makes me lose my self-respect when I’m immediately or eventually rejected (through all those annoying delays and various other things you'll get once those few have responded to you) and more seriously it contributes slightly to my ongoing anxiety and on/off depression (a few years ago it triggered a horrible break-down in which seeing the temptations and starting to feel dependence on them caused me to to abandon my recently ordered food in McDonalds and run out of the town-center to the nearest private place, a field, to collapse for 20mins and burst into tears).
I mustn’t be allowed to purposely look at or feel anything for a girls (breasts, thighs, butt etc) nor acknowledge any beauty in her face or imagine anything happening with her and most importantly I need to not to have a problem with this nor with knowing that a girl will never truely care about me (just like it used to be, except it was encouraged by myself back then and wasn’t a requirement as it seems to be now). Love and any sexual feelings are just dangerous for me (always have been, not that I always realised) but these days my willpower isn’t enough because of this irreversible situation I’m in as of these last 4 or so years (too long to go into). It’s annoying that your own so-called natural feelings/tendencies could create such a problem for you, especially as I’ve been in conflict with love/sexual feelings since I was a child (though normally I managed to reject and suppress romantic tendencies).

I’ve deleted my online dating profile and with it all current contacts I was partially engaged in conversations with and any further unattainable temptation. My internet content filter has been reactivated along with the additional custom blocks I’d previously had in place. Henceforth I’ll ensure I go back (when chance unfortunately presents itself) to no longer trying to socialize with any women and all communication is either on a professional or polite response basis only (so basically there’ll be no joking around with any of them or complimenting them etc in my day to day job and I’ll try once more rejoicing in being seemingly socially unresponsive/awkward rather than trying to engage with them (used to be this way prior to about 4yrs ago, but no effort was required).
The problems I’m gonna face however is seeing them on a daily basis (I basically work/call on a variety of supermarkets around the county where I’ll see plenty of women of all desirable shapes and sizes all the time, couples engaging with one and other and also the fact that I work around magazines a lot (avoiding looking at the lads mags is easy, but there’s too many womens mags dealing with 'bodies' and relationships) and finally there's fiction (soap operas and films all portraying these situations I finally understand why I could never be a part of, the one’s that give that false hope and the very scenarios to base your pathetic fantasies around). This is why I need to be made or assisted in becoming emotionally unreceptive to them because the temptation is always going to be there in front of me and after time I almost forget what I’m supposed to do or not do and potentially fall into this trap of trying once again (or sometimes the temptation might just be too much even when I don't forget). There’s a lot more that I should’ve written down when I was thinking for the first time about it, but basically what I need is help from the councillor and any guys who can just relate to this or anyone with any advice, but moreover I need to try and go about getting ‘anaphrodisiacs’ (basically for the uninformed, these are the kinda drugs/tablets that kill the libido and could perhaps prevent me from thinking and feeling about these things so that I can avoid more shame, humiliation, anxiety and potential depression). This’ll ultimately stop me from deluding myself into thinking that if I stop this, try that, ask for this etc that there’s somehow a way I can defy my preset limitations and that women will abandon their rightful (if somewhat harsh) standards to accept me as their otherwise pitiful excuse for a boyfriend.

I think on the rare occasions anyone innocently asks if I’m married, have a girlfriend or kids (without somehow realizing that it should really be a self-explanatory- of course not!, before actually asking this) that I’ll just answer with- “sadly no, I’ve got aspergers syndrome so that’s not possible” (most don’t even know what aspergers is, so it’s likely this’d be accepted without question anyway). This is in spite of the fact that some or many guys with aspergers have managed to get relationships, and without online dating for some too (how I don’t know, but I think aspergers is such a broad range of symptoms compared to so many other medical conditions that I’m just one such rarer variation of something which otherwise need not be thought of as a negative). Though I shouldn’t and don’t think of my many shortcomings as a bad thing, aspie guys who didn’t have to settle for someone ugly with lower standards, or get a girlfriend out of pity or lie to get them etc, should feel very pleased with themselves and happy they’re not as incapable as me.
 
Sorry about the length of this..

Hey, Hopeless_Aspie_Guy, I can certainly relate to how you're feeling, by your post - I've spent almost all my life alone, unable to initiate friendships or relationships - those friends and partners I have had over the years have, until recently, always approached me, mostly taken advantage for a while, then moved on.
Yes, I've had two relationships in my 48 years and both those women made the first move, so I was able to skip the incomprehensible stuff - the flirting, 'selling myself' I guess.. as I say, all that's hard for me as I just don't recognise or understand it.
I can't see why people can't just get to know me and, perhaps, go from there, friendships becoming relationships seems safe and logical to me, for both parties.. this meat-market dating thing seems like pure chance - if you get 'the rules' and if your self esteem can take it.
I was so grateful for the first, when I was 22, that I dropped out of Uni and an Engineering degree days before the first year started, got a job and married her, at her urging, within a year.. turned out she only wanted my money - that 20 years of hostility and emotional abuse was the most isolated I've ever felt! I had no idea how to cope or what to do to make things better and no-one to ask for help. She eventually forced me to leave and moved her latest BF into the house I'd worked hard all that time to buy.
I felt reborn, I was finally free - damaged - but free!
The second was different, but oddly similar in that, as she'd suffered years of abuse herself.. I feel she attempted to make me over into an abuser.. I'm not sure I can explain better than that, you sorta had to be there to get it, I think, but that 2 years was filled with guilt for me - I care too much for people ever to want to cause harm. She fell ill after 6 months and I nursed her till, following surgery, she recovered.. the stress plus my own issues caused me to, well, burnout big time, I suppose, losing my business and the ability to cope for a while, whereupon she broke up with me.
That was a few years ago and I've been on my own, other than a few decent friends now, since.

Right, that's the history, the reason for which is that I've learned to grasp that all those years of me putting a partner on a pedestal have caused me only pain and trying to force just anything to work is extremely counterproductive - while I initially cared greatly for these women, time and their motives really didn't allow love to grow.

Perhaps because I was lonely throughout my childhood, I never really wanted Fame and Fortune (except for wanting to be an astronaut for sooo long), I just wanted to be happy - that's all, and all that involved, for me, was company and being able to share my life with someone and make them happy.. and that's never changed.
What has changed is my approach, not just to trying to get a GF, but to life - I still can't do flirting or random dating, still don't get 'the rules', can't play the game.. but I can be friendly, I can be me, I can act like a gentleman and treat a woman with respect and friendship.. I can be patient and I can enjoy the life I have right now. I can (mostly - I'm not perfect) not mind whatever happens and carry on with my life accepting that I'm exactly where I'm meant to be right now..
Doesn't mean I don't feel lonely, depressed, hurt sometimes.. I accept those things too, they're only natural, but trying too hard, I think, put me in the wrong places, (Oooh yeah!) and I won't go through that again!
I'll say this to you also mate, I wish someone had been around to tell me this before I sacrificed so many years learning through hard experience. I felt bitter for a long time that others could do what I couldn't, but I changed the way I thought about it all and prefer to see it as a sign of hope - 'they' aren't better or less flawed than me, I just got stuck focusing on the 'catalogue-model couples' and believing the fake story they were telling the world.

Stop doing yourself in about it, get on and enjoy life, it has a habit of working out when you're not looking.. and good luck :)
 
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Looking at your thumbnail pic Spiller , I'd swear it was a young robin williams I was seeing, is it of you? I never realized we both lived in Essex, small world given that most of these forums are american dominated with a hint of brits and Europeans. Definitely a relevant story if nothing else, so thanks for sharing. You did (perhaps still do, I dunno) seem to have one part of the trio sewn up (as they say). You had good wealth (health I don't know about and certainly not the everlasting happiness), if only to have had someone take advantage of that which I guess comes from the social naivety of being an aspie. Ironically my only 'relationship' (if you'd call it that) was also with someone who (like your second) was physiologically unstable due to a traumatic childhood of rape and abuse coupled with being an aspie......iiish never again....not even for someone who's too tolerant and understanding such as myself. Out of curiosity- what town do you live in (not that it'll mean sweet FA to most others outside of the UK on this forum hehe)?
 
Hey mate, yep, that's Robin Williams playing Mork in 'Mork and Mindy'.. I can't take a selfie to save my life and am too self-concious to put a pic of myself anywhere, anyway :rolleyes: I actually don't look too dissimilar though.
Wealth I had, lost it all to the ex's (was never that bothered about money though, just happiness), then my health - went craaazy there for a bit, but no situation is permanent - there's an old Sufi saying, "This too will pass", whatever crap you're dealing with right now, it won't last..
I'm in the process of getting back on my feet so I can have another crack at living - that's what the World's there for and that's why we're in it! :)
Social naivete.. and maybe a different kind of Aspie morality, definitely doesn't leave us suited to 'normal' life amongst the majority, I feel..
Just never say never* though, you can't know the future, you can't ever see which direction it's gonna come from, so all you really can do, IMO, is be open, accept and enjoy what you have now.. or be miserable - been there and done that, definitely no fun!

* Something I've learned is that, just like no two Auties are the same, no two abuse victims (or whatever) are, either - everyone has mental health issues and I think some of the best, sanest and aware people I've met are so because they've been down that rabbit hole.. they're also most understanding of others' issues.
 
I'm going through the same thing. My desires only cause me pain and suffering. I'm considering taking drugs to eliminate my sex drive. My desire for intimacy only makes me miserable. If I didn't desire intimacy with the opposite sex I would be content just to be the loser that I am. I know that I will never have a romantic relationship, so there's no reason for me to keep my biological instinct around. The most I can hope for in life is a minimum wage job, food, water, and some entertainment once in a blue moon.
 
I'm going through the same thing. My desires only cause me pain and suffering. I'm considering taking drugs to eliminate my sex drive. My desire for intimacy only makes me miserable. If I didn't desire intimacy with the opposite sex I would be content just to be the loser that I am. I know that I will never have a romantic relationship, so there's no reason for me to keep my biological instinct around. The most I can hope for in life is a minimum wage job, food, water, and some entertainment once in a blue moon.

Argh, the girl of my dreams (sort of) hangs on the knife edge of her decision (pending being stood up prior to meeting another guy she really liked), she's convinced she needs a timeout even though we've made a connection, it all rests on this because I'm not bothering with all this again on online dating knowing that it takes a lot of luck.
So are you from the UK and do you have any supportive friends? Why 'entertainment once in a blue moon'?
 
Argh, the girl of my dreams (sort of) hangs on the knife edge of her decision (pending being stood up prior to meeting another guy she really liked), she's convinced she needs a timeout even though we've made a connection, it all rests on this because I'm not bothering with all this again on online dating knowing that it takes a lot of luck.
So are you from the UK and do you have any supportive friends? Why 'entertainment once in a blue moon'?

No, I'm from the United States. I have no friends, and I'm quite isolated. I can only indulge in entertainment once in a blue moon, because the majority of my time must be spent increasing my human capital so that I can obtain a minimum wage job so that I can survive in human society. I must provide value in some other way to make up for my abysmal social skills. I can't help you with your girl situation, as I never have been and never will be in a romantic relationship. I am a low value male, I must accept this and be content without intimacy. These miserable desires must be banished from my mind.
 
It had been several years since I thought I was capable of romance-and-sex type thoughts. Around 2010 there were two women that I tried to see if I could get feelings for. One was a nitwit and thus eventually ignored. The other, I traveled to another province to see if it would work. In person, she had literally no personality. Literally.

Then (you know it's coming) she sent me that message on Facebook. And a zillion feelings welled up inside me. Then she didn't respond to my response. This caused me over a week of anguish once I returned from Las Vegas. And even now it's barely less than anguish.

Here are my points:

1. If you were capable of not having those feelings, well, it's great until you do. Then it gets much worse. She was at no point in the past my girlfriend, but there was often the feeling of possibility. The point is that going to extremes in both directions is horrible.

2. I now realize that I am capable of love for another human...probably. Before, it was just cats...and, you know, I've only hung out with one this decade. And this is the point for some.

You don't have to give up. I've had three girlfriends and the possibility of several more. It could conceivably happen again.
 
I have no friends, and I'm quite isolated. I can only indulge in entertainment once in a blue moon, because the majority of my time must be spent increasing my human capital so that I can obtain a minimum wage job so that I can survive in human society.

And what about family, I assume you live alone but do you have them closeby?

Here are my points:

1. If you were capable of not having those feelings, well, it's great until you do. Then it gets much worse. She was at no point in the past my girlfriend, but there was often the feeling of possibility. The point is that going to extremes in both directions is horrible.

You don't have to give up. I've had three girlfriends and the possibility of several more. It could conceivably happen again.

Yer this makes sense, thanks.
 
Argh, the girl of my dreams (sort of) hangs on the knife edge of her decision (pending being stood up prior to meeting another guy she really liked), she's convinced she needs a timeout even though we've made a connection, it all rests on this because I'm not bothering with all this again on online dating knowing that it takes a lot of luck.
So are you from the UK and do you have any supportive friends? Why 'entertainment once in a blue moon'?


Well bang goes that hope :(, she's pulling out of dating for a while whilst I consider pulling out for....ohhhh.....FOREVER!!
*maybe*

Yes, my parent is the reason that I am not homeless. They are currently subsidizing me, because I'm a pathetic failure.


I'm guessing that beating yourself up (verbally) feels slightly good to you, I'd be doing that to myself too, but I'm too good at doing it. How old are you then?
Also, career-wise you've probably not found a more rewarding career-path yet then. Mine isn't known to many people at all, yet it's fairly rewarding, offers a lot more freedom and traveling (so never being in just one place) than most jobs I know and there's never any shortage of opportunities, even when the so-called job crisis was in effect. What do you do for a living then?

Hey mate, yep, that's Robin Williams playing Mork in 'Mork and Mindy'.. I can't take a selfie to save my life and am too self-concious to put a pic of myself anywhere, anyway :rolleyes: I actually don't look too dissimilar though.


That's good, you'll ruin my imagination of you being this young robin williams-esque type of guy otherwise if you weren't.
 
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I know you said input from women is okay, but I do feel a little like I'm cutting in on a Man Club meeting. I hope it's really all right.

Trying for a girlfriend (through the more likely but never the less impossible means of online dating over anything face to face) is just cruel towards me and makes me lose my self-respect


If the problem you're having lately is that women never seem to get past the first few contacts before they disappear, then you can't let this damage your self-respect. They didn't really know you. Your self-respect absolutely has to be based on more than other people's responses to the top layers of your social presentation. Go right ahead and find rejections depressing; that's justified if you really do/did want to find a partner. But please don't allow women's responses to superficial preliminaries determine how you feel about the man inside they didn't take the time to learn about. I've really come to like you as I've read your posts. I think there's a great guy in there, not far at all from the surface you're unhappy with. It's their loss (sincerely) not yours if some women are willing to reject you based on a few minor exchanges.

I worry that part of your problem may be that women might sense that you have low self-esteem, or detect a hint of desperation because you're lonely. You can wear a mask to chat online, but a lot of women have an uncanny ability to smell unhappiness in a guy from a mile away, through a foot-thick iron wall, and yes, across cyberspace. It sounds like you may have to work on your own self-image before the one you present to others can rung true and attract interest. You can't love anyone else in a healthy way until you love yourself first. You've probably heard that before, and it's true.

I'm not just telling you I like you and think you're a good guy to be consoling. I really do mean those things.

I’ve deleted my online dating profile and with it all current contacts I was partially engaged in conversations with and any further unattainable temptation.


I'm actually very sorry to hear you did that. I think you may misunderstand the online dating process. It's not automatic. People often think online dating is a quicker way to meet someone special. According to relationship experts (even resident "love gurus" on dating sites), that's not actually what the medium is designed for. It's only meant to put a very large pool of singles in one convenient place, period. I read an interview with Match.com's male "relationship guru" (Jewish last name -- Katz?) in an in-flight magazine a while back, and wasn't surprised to see that the average user who reports they are seriously dating someone from the site took at least six months of active participation to meet them.

It can take months of a looking for an unemployed person to find a good job, even online. Why should it take less time to find a good partner?

I once helped a famous and pretty darn attractive musician write an online dating profile (I used to work for him, and we're still friends). In real life, his image was getting in the way of meeting someone suited to the man underneath. It took him four months and a ton of duds and rejections to meet someone he clicked with well enough for a first date. So it ain't just you, kid. Don't let this be a fatal blow. ;)

also the fact that I work around magazines a lot (avoiding looking at the lads mags is easy, but there’s too many womens mags dealing with 'bodies' and relationships) and finally there's fiction (soap operas and films all portraying these situations I finally understand why I could never be a part of, the one’s that give that false hope and the very scenarios to base your pathetic fantasies around).


You definitely have to learn to ignore magazines and TV/films when it comes to relationships and sex. They peddle fantasy, not reality. A former member said on a thread once that she wished she was born in another era, because she wanted to find a romance like she's seen on Downton Abbey. o_O Would people watch that stuff if romantic relationships were depicted realistically? Would they buy magazines if the cover exclaimed things like, "Tips for meeting a guy online within a year" or "Ten sexual positions that may or may not be more satisfying"?

This is why I need to be made or assisted in becoming emotionally unreceptive to them because the temptation is always going to be there in front of me and after time I almost forget what I’m supposed to do or not do and potentially fall into this trap of trying once again (or sometimes the temptation might just be too much even when I don't forget).


Even though you're hurting now, I would never want to assist you with that. I had very seriously given up on relationships 16 months ago, at the end of my eighth spectacularly failed relationship, and then I met the love of my life when I wasn't even trying. Had I succeeded in becoming "emotionally unreceptive" or refused the "trap" of being open to another go, I couldn't be as happy as I am today. I think Harrison would agree that our relationship is even better because of the years of pain and frustration that came before we met. We earned this. We're really and truly ready for it.

Though I shouldn’t and don’t think of my many shortcomings as a bad thing, aspie guys who didn’t have to settle for someone ugly with lower standards, or get a girlfriend out of pity or lie to get them etc, should feel very pleased with themselves and happy they’re not as incapable as me.


I know you're very upset about all of this right now, but Dude, you're not incapable. If you believe that, you've screwed yourself and will only have yourself to blame for it. And here's a tip: Most all people I know who are in truly happy relationships aren't with people who were anywhere close to their ideal "type" or met all of their "standards". I'm no great shakes physically and my life is a bit of a mess, but I am absolutely determined to be a damn good wife and I'm capable of a lot of very genuine love, support, affection and devotion. Lots of guys who end up with the girl they pictured in their heads are sorely disappointed with the reality. If you want someone to look past your drawbacks, if they are even half as bad as you claim, then you have to be willing to look past theirs.

Take your time to collect yourself, work on what you need to, then leave the door ajar with no expectations or sense of urgency. That's the formula that will end up working for you.
 
I worry that part of your problem may be that women might sense that you have low self-esteem, or detect a hint of desperation because you're lonely. You can wear a mask to chat online, but a lot of women have an uncanny ability to smell unhappiness in a guy from a mile away, through a foot-thick iron wall, and yes, across cyberspace. It sounds like you may have to work on your own self-image before the one you present to others can rung true and attract interest. You can't love anyone else in a healthy way until you love yourself first. You've probably heard that before, and it's true.


I'd say more so that I can come across as being full on, but then again when I'm not I often find that there is no more conversation with the person who initially responded so I do what I can, but it always fizzles out in the end because they have a world of opportunities they can approach outside of online dating, unlike myself.

I'm actually very sorry to hear you did that. I think you may misunderstand the online dating process. It's not automatic. People often think online dating is a quicker way to meet someone special. According to relationship experts (even resident "love gurus" on dating sites), that's not actually what the medium is designed for. It's only meant to put a very large pool of singles in one convenient place, period. I read an interview with Match.com's male "relationship guru" (Jewish last name -- Katz?) in an in-flight magazine a while back, and wasn't surprised to see that the average user who reports they are seriously dating someone from the site took at least six months of active participation to meet them.


Actually I kept the profile in the end (despite coming close to deleting it) and did so following the same kinda advice I gave myself as you gave below. It's more so the ' put in little effort and couldn't really care less' approach, but at least I'm still (vaguely) in the game. I came fairly close to actually getting a girl I really considered attractive and she certainly had inner qualities too, but she was hurt by a let down from another guy on the same site, so she wanted out for a while and I doubt I'll hear back from her again.

Take your time to collect yourself, work on what you need to, then leave the door ajar with no expectations or sense of urgency. That's the formula that will end up working for you.
 
I'm twenty-one. I don't do anything for a living, my life is subsidized.


I couldn't be bothered to get a job until I was 23 and I'd say I didn't work full time until I was between 24-25 and whilst my life is too far from ideal, I am comfortable-ish with my working life. You've still got plenty of time, I'd have been worried if you were a lot older perhaps. Ask the right questions, do the right research and see what you can find. You don't have to be really gifted, just willing.
 
I'M FREE!! (well sort of) I feel somewhat happier having now actually deleted my POF account (for the right reasons) and can now hopefully embark upon ridding myself of these accursed romantic/sexual feelings. I'll explore every possibility with conviction and hopefully this time I can win. :D
 
Lady here but I just wanted to chime in on one part of your post; a lot of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications often have lowered libido as a side effect. Ive been on a range of the above on and off for 15 years and each and every one of them have severely reduced my libido to the point where I actively shy away from touch now and feel repulsed by it, let alone not even wanting it or thinking about it. As well as possibly lowering your libido, the above medications could help you fight against any actual depression or anxiety you are currently dealing with. It can take a while to find the right medication that works for you and does what you need it too but I think it might be something worth looking into for you :)
 
Lady here but I just wanted to chime in on one part of your post; a lot of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications often have lowered libido as a side effect. Ive been on a range of the above on and off for 15 years and each and every one of them have severely reduced my libido to the point where I actively shy away from touch now and feel repulsed by it, let alone not even wanting it or thinking about it. As well as possibly lowering your libido, the above medications could help you fight against any actual depression or anxiety you are currently dealing with. It can take a while to find the right medication that works for you and does what you need it too but I think it might be something worth looking into for you :)

Thanks. Welcome to the forum.
 
Slithytones....! This was a stumble-upon for me (pretty long thread), as Harrison is one of my favorite people on this site, and I wondered whom it was he wrote about meeting. True, happy, heartfelt YIPPEE for you two!!!

I think Harrison would agree that our relationship is even better because of the years of pain and frustration that came before we met. We earned this. We're really and truly ready for it.

And, (not so) hopeless, this was a long string, and I apologize I didn't take a slow read, but one comment from Slithy was: But please don't allow women's responses to superficial preliminaries determine how you feel about the man inside they didn't take the time to learn about.
I'm an NT in a slow and long-distance growing relation with an Aspie, and I am pleased that I did take the time and interest to learn the person he is, as not many people ever have. Their miss. My find. My warm heart.

Hang in there and good luck....
 
Slithytones....! This was a stumble-upon for me (pretty long thread), as Harrison is one of my favorite people on this site, and I wondered whom it was he wrote about meeting. True, happy, heartfelt YIPPEE for you two!!!

I think Harrison would agree that our relationship is even better because of the years of pain and frustration that came before we met. We earned this. We're really and truly ready for it.

And, (not so) hopeless, this was a long string, and I apologize I didn't take a slow read, but one comment from Slithy was: But please don't allow women's responses to superficial preliminaries determine how you feel about the man inside they didn't take the time to learn about.
I'm an NT in a slow and long-distance growing relation with an Aspie, and I am pleased that I did take the time and interest to learn the person he is, as not many people ever have. Their miss. My find. My warm heart.

Hang in there and good luck....

I'll bear that in mind for sure but only if these unexpected miracle tablets lose their possible effectiveness. Dutasteride ('proscar' for you americans and 'avodart' for us brits) seems to be having it's way with me in regards to the dreaded (although in my case it's welcome) side effect of lowered sexual desire. Somehow I just feel like I'm clawing back that control/resistance I had before the depression and anxiety started but it's too early to tell if this is just temporary or truely down to the tablets. Yak you may wanna try these if or when you decide you don't wanna feel love anymore, but hopefully it wouldn't come to that.

Spiller did you ever checkout the 'dream tablets' I told you about months ago? I'm still having dreams almost every time I go to or back to sleep and I love it.
 
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