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Suicidal tendencies hard to spot in some people with autism

AGXStarseed

Well-Known Member
(Not written by me)

Last year, I met a young man with autism who participated in a study at my lab. He did not meet the criteria for depression, and no one in my team would have guessed, based on our interactions with him, that he thought about ending his life. But as part of our research protocol, we asked him directly whether he had thoughts of suicide. Only then did we learn that he had taken action on plans to end his life on two previous occasions.

Later in the interview he told us that if he did not meet a certain highly unrealistic career goal within a specific amount of time, he planned to kill himself. He repeated this often, sometimes matter-of-factly and other times almost defensively, as if challenging us to dissuade him.

After spending a day with him in the lab, I would characterize this man as angry, frustrated and dejected. But none of this was apparent during his first few hours with us, and I doubt that it would have been obvious during a brief or routine screen for suicidality.

These and other experiences have led me to conclude that to effectively screen for suicidality in people with autism, we need to learn how to ask questions that lead to real answers.

The statistics around suicide in people with autism are startling: Up to 50 percent of adults with the condition have considered ending their own lives, a rate two to three times that seen in the general population1.

Adults newly diagnosed with autism are particularly at risk, having spent decades feeling atypical without knowing why2. Rates of suicide attempts and death are also elevated among individuals on the spectrum3,4.

In the general population, we often think of suicidality as going hand in hand with depression. Although depression does emerge as the leading predictor of suicidality in people with autism, there is mounting evidence that a substantial proportion of people on the spectrum who contemplate suicide would not meet the criteria for depression3,5,6.

Pattern recognition:
Risk factors for suicide in the general population span sociodemographic and cognitive vulnerabilities, such as hopelessness or impulsivity; environmental stressors, such as financial or legal problems; and mental health conditions — most notably depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and substance abuse.

The man who visited our clinic was young, unmarried, underemployed and disabled (if you consider autism a disability). All of these features are risk factors for suicidality in the general population. They also describe a large proportion of adults on the autism spectrum.

Our participant was not depressed, manic or psychotic. What’s more, he had clear life goals and enjoyed discussing them.

It was hard for us to measure his degree of hopelessness because it wavered with his black-and-white thinking: He sometimes spoke with certainty that he would reach his career goal and resolve all of his perceived problems; at other times, he doubted this outcome and seemed discouraged by life.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that some people with autism approach suicide practically, even dispassionately — as a valid plan when nothing has worked to help them fit into this world. Others struggle with rigid thinking and poor impulse control, making them susceptible to suicidal tendencies during difficult situations or negative moods. These two profiles are at opposite poles in terms of planning and passion, and yet this young man seemed to fit in both boxes. Still, we could not spot his elevated suicide risk before a lengthy mental health interview.

As a field, we have learned about emotional distress in people with autism through studies that fall under many topic headings: quality of life, emotion regulation, depression, anxiety, access to services and more. Communicating across these research areas is a crucial first step to learning how to recognize people with autism who are at high risk for suicide.

Several clinical research initiatives have led the call for this type of multidisciplinary conversation. Sarah Cassidy and Jacqueline Rodgers, respectively from Coventry and Newcastle universities in the United Kingdom, were instrumental in organizing an international summit on suicide in autism, hosted in May; the same team founded a special-interest group on suicide in autism that convened at the 2016 and 2017 annual meetings of the International Society for Autism Research.

These gatherings set specific goals: to develop tools for assessing suicide risk, identify risk factors and protective factors, and identify strategies for suicide intervention and prevention.

Start by asking:
No screening tool is perfect. Suicide screens designed for the general population tend to err on the side of caution, yielding a high rate of false positives — that is, some people who screen positive do not represent a threat to their own lives.

It is possible that existing tools will be even less specific among people with autism, but we don’t have the luxury of waiting for better ones. There are steps we can take now to assess people with autism who may be at risk.

When a person with autism mentions suicidal thoughts or tendencies, either verbally or on a questionnaire, we should always ask in a calm, unapologetic and non-reactionary manner if she has thoughts about hurting or killing herself. We must take care not to tacitly assume, pass judgment or make it easy to prevaricate. In other words, do not say, “You’ve probably never thought about suicide, right? I just have to ask this.”

At a minimum, we should assess the frequency and intensity of her suicidal thoughts, the presence of a plan to act on them, access to lethal means and history of attempts. We should also note any substance use, medication changes or side effects, and any risk factors related to autism, such as impulsivity, repetitive thoughts about suicide, bullying or social isolation. And we should ask about what supports she has and her reasons to live.

If we are still even moderately concerned about suicide after this assessment, we should directly enlist family support for her (with her consent, in the case of adults). We should work with her to create a safety plan that she can refer to during times in which she is more likely to think or act on suicidal thoughts. Safety plans commonly list coping strategies and contact information for supportive family members and friends, as well as mental health services.

A blog by Autism Speaks board member Sallie Bernard, titled “8 Critical Measures to Counter Suicide,” is a quick and potentially life-saving read. Another resource is a guide from the Suicide Prevention Resource Center that describes suicide screening considerations in the general population.

We can make the educated guess that, for every person on the spectrum who contemplates ending his life, there are even greater numbers struggling with anger, dejection, hopelessness and other precursors to suicidal ideation. Until we establish tools to screen for suicidality and emotional health problems in this population, let’s use our training and common sense to flag and support individuals at risk in the autism community.


Source: https://spectrumnews.org/opinion/columnists/suicidal-tendencies-hard-spot-people-autism/
 
Wow. A plan?? A plan can erase all the other thing he listed like unemplyed, no friends, disabled, poor,......mercy.

This article shows the great divide between nts and auts.

Admire they dont want us to kill themselves but maybe there needs to be chages in how disabilities and differences are handled

Also felt author was condescending., like the guy was "challenging" them re suicide. Sheeesh
 
let’s use our training and common sense to flag and support individuals at risk in the autism community.

NTs Common sense isn't going to work.

Nor is asking for reasons to live... you're trying to convince her not to do it!

Lets face it,you can't get past how insignificant we all are :)

Chin up, everybody.
 
Well, I didn't expect that reading this would make me consider suicide, even for a few minutes (all back in order and safe, now, don't worry).

I hope the way they approach it doesn't stir up the same feeling in other people.

There's one thing I wonder, though: I know in my case, it is a thought that comes and goes much more often than I would like, which would be a few times a month "in a good month", but if I try to analyze what's going on in my head, it seems that the idea is more of an idea among many others during my troubleshooting sessions, sort of like you have to consider every possible solution, and then you discard them or pursue them (the fact that I'm writing shows that suicide is ruled out every time). So I do see what they mean when they write about the practical aspect. But here's the thing: I'm starting to doubt that NTs have the same approach to suicidal thoughts, I just don't know how to explain it, it just seems that once it pops into their head, it's much more likely they will try to act on it. I may be totally wrong, though. It's just what I've noticed from a couple of psychiatric assessments (pyschiatrists really don't seem to like suicide jokes, no matter how good the joke is).
 
Well, I didn't expect that reading this would make me consider suicide, even for a few minutes (all back in order and safe, now, don't worry).

I hope the way they approach it doesn't stir up the same feeling in other people.

There's one thing I wonder, though: I know in my case, it is a thought that comes and goes much more often than I would like, which would be a few times a month "in a good month", but if I try to analyze what's going on in my head, it seems that the idea is more of an idea among many others during my troubleshooting sessions, sort of like you have to consider every possible solution, and then you discard them or pursue them (the fact that I'm writing shows that suicide is ruled out every time). So I do see what they mean when they write about the practical aspect. But here's the thing: I'm starting to doubt that NTs have the same approach to suicidal thoughts, I just don't know how to explain it, it just seems that once it pops into their head, it's much more likely they will try to act on it. I may be totally wrong, though. It's just what I've noticed from a couple of psychiatric assessments (pyschiatrists really don't seem to like suicide jokes, no matter how good the joke is).

I completely agree.we are much more used to entertaining thoughts just for the sake of it (in one way)
Dark to a normal perspective is just my normal. No consideration of acting on it, its not logical at this time.
In certain circumstances .. legitimate.

But with NTs often thoughts are catching..... so they can be more scared of their own thoughts than us.....maybe.

SO I have difficult thoughts all the time, used to it. Its why im me with my sense of humor.
 
Agreed. It's just a fact that my problems would go away if I were dead; doesn't mean I have a death wish. Or, like you said somewhere else in jist (think it was you), life is the number one cause of death. Doesn't mean the human species should press some self destroy button and be done with it all.

Perhaps that cynicism is a very Aspie thing?
 
Agreed. It's just a fact that my problems would go away if I were dead; doesn't mean I have a death wish. Or, like you said somewhere else in jist (think it was you), life is the number one cause of death. Doesn't mean the human species should press some self destroy button and be done with it all.

Perhaps that cynicism is a very Aspie thing?

Exactly. Though its not cynical for me :) too human-centric im more a universal speck :)
We may be all different but they are more the same.

(If the generalisation can be forgiven)
 
Well, I didn't expect that reading this would make me consider suicide, even for a few minutes (all back in order and safe, now, don't worry).

I hope the way they approach it doesn't stir up the same feeling in other people.

There's one thing I wonder, though: I know in my case, it is a thought that comes and goes much more often than I would like, which would be a few times a month "in a good month", but if I try to analyze what's going on in my head, it seems that the idea is more of an idea among many others during my troubleshooting sessions, sort of like you have to consider every possible solution, and then you discard them or pursue them (the fact that I'm writing shows that suicide is ruled out every time). So I do see what they mean when they write about the practical aspect. But here's the thing: I'm starting to doubt that NTs have the same approach to suicidal thoughts, I just don't know how to explain it, it just seems that once it pops into their head, it's much more likely they will try to act on it. I may be totally wrong, though. It's just what I've noticed from a couple of psychiatric assessments (pyschiatrists really don't seem to like suicide jokes, no matter how good the joke is).
I kinda felt the same ...

What's a good suicide joke? Y'know ... just to lighten the mood :p
 
What's a good suicide joke? Y'know ... just to lighten the mood :p

Two blondes were in a bar watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge that was about to jump, obviously suicidal. "I'll bet you $10 he'll jump," said Betty.

"Bet you $10 he won't," replied Amber. Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. The second blonde hands the first her money.

"I can't take your money," said Betty. "I cheated you. The same story was on the five o'clock news."

"No, no. Take it," said Amber. "I saw the five o'clock news too. I just didn't think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!"
 
Two blondes were in a bar watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge that was about to jump, obviously suicidal. "I'll bet you $10 he'll jump," said Betty.

"Bet you $10 he won't," replied Amber. Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. The second blonde hands the first her money.

"I can't take your money," said Betty. "I cheated you. The same story was on the five o'clock news."

"No, no. Take it," said Amber. "I saw the five o'clock news too. I just didn't think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!"

Good one :D:D:D
 
I have to wonder if it's all in the processing?

Logic, faulty or otherwise would perhaps give the best chance at success but no actual drive to go ahead with it. Perhaps just one of many options with little or no emotion attached?


I can only imagine a person who doesn't think in the same way we do may be alarmed? Terrified? On reaching those kinds of thoughts and are emotionally invested thus directing that drive or force at themselves to 'make it stop' ?
 
I have to wonder if it's all in the processing?

Logic, faulty or otherwise would perhaps give the best chance at success but no actual drive to go ahead with it. Perhaps just one of many options with little or no emotion attached?


I can only imagine a person who doesn't think in the same way we do may be alarmed? Terrified? On reaching those kinds of thoughts and are emotionally invested thus directing that drive or force at themselves to 'make it stop' ?

Logic but no drive, i like. I think it's entirely sensible under certain circumstances im not scared of thinking about it. I used to think i 'should' be.
That ended a vicious cycle for me by doing the opposite of what most would advise (works for a lot of things)

I think the whole point is not to be frightened of your own thoughts

Or frightened of 'thoughts' alan watts,the hidden hero, would not necessarily agree that thoughts belonged to us as individuals.
So why be uptight?

Supressing them can give them strength, like trying not to think of an elephant.

My question is - why is it always an elephant?
:)
 
Logic but no drive, i like. I think it's entirely sensible under certain circumstances im not scared of thinking about it. I used to think i 'should' be.
That ended a vicious cycle for me by doing the opposite of what most would advise (works for a lot of things)

I think the whole point is not to be frightened of your own thoughts

Or frightened of 'thoughts' alan watts,the hidden hero, would not necessarily agree that thoughts belonged to us as individuals.
So why be uptight?

Supressing them can give them strength, like trying not to think of an elephant.

My question is - why is it always an elephant?
:)


I have no idea about the elephant, perhaps we could think up an alternative for varieties sake :)

I haven't read any of Alan Watts yet but going onto the fear of thoughts, I do agree with that. Being afraid of how one thinks or feels.

If I was to ask myself 'would suicide end these feelings?' The answer would be yes BUT so too would many other alternatives and options
There are many things other than suicide that would end those feelings too. Perhaps not as drastically or as quickly but effective over a period of time.

If we're not afraid of those feelings it may well reduce the urgency to stop them?
 
The bit about dispassionately approaching suicide as 'a valid plan if nothing works' is interesting. I have previously attempted suicide due to depression, which I no longer suffer from. Reading this made be realise that the fact that I always have suicide as a potential option if my life doesn't go well despite actually being very happy and not having a death wish isn't normal. Or that perhaps people don't take it seriously when I say in complete honesty that is I ever reach a point where I can't be autonomous and live the life I want (ie due to old age or illness) I fully intend to die. Having suicide as a back up plan is so different from what it felt like to be genuinely suicidal that I hadn't actually connected the two concepts before.
 
I have a suicide back up plan as well, even researched the best methods. I always have a backup plan to various situations including, if life just becomes too much. I'm newly diagnosed, and I have to agree with the statistics regarding those like me. For now I'm still fighting, but the lack of supports do suck, and the way people treat us, even worse.
 

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