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Greetings from an Argentinian self-diagnosed (aspie & schizoid)

Franco

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And just in case someone does not know, schizoid personality has nothing to do with schizophrenia.

I am in my 40's, and learned about AS in 2009, seeing that the description fitted me quite well. Next year I learned about schizoid personality and saw that it also fitted me. I also realized that, apparently at odds with what DSM-IV and ICD-10 said in the description of schizoid personality, it was compatible with AS, since one condition is neurological and the other psychological.

Being schizoid, I will not interact much on the forum, just make a comment from time to time when I see that I can add some value to the discussion.

Cheers!
 
Hello Franco, welcome to aspiescentral. I hope you find as much of a sense of belonging here as I have.
 
Please don't feel compelled to contribute more than is comfortable for you, Franco. Each of us has a different way of doing things. :)
 
I also realized that, apparently at odds with what DSM-IV and ICD-10 said in the description of schizoid personality, it was compatible with AS, since one condition is neurological and the other psychological.

I have been thinking about this lately and I'm glad to see that someone else has as well. I was diagnosed schizoid two out of three times that I sought an ASD evaluation, started researching SPD, and couldn't figure out why SPD and ASDs were considered mutually exclusive. Seems like people with ASDs would be likely, if not more likely than others, to develop SPD due to bullying and inability to relate or socialize successfully.
 
Thank you all for the welcome.

Replying now to bentHnau, the mutual exclusiveness between AS and SPD is just coded in DSM-IV-TR and ICD-10. (I just ignore DSM-5, where SPD is gone.) In both cases, the mutual exclusiveness is asymmetric, in that it is specified only on the SPD side and not on the AS side. This apparent inconsistency in the definitions of AS and SPD can be interpreted in two possible ways:

1. The authors of DSM-IV and ICD-10 just did not check the consistency of the definitions. Extremely unlikely.
2. When DSM-IV and ICD-10 speak of SPD they are referring exclusively to the SPD of NTs.

In the case of DSM-IV, interpretation 2 is consistent with the general definition of personality disorders:

DSM-IV-TR said:
General diagnostic criteria for a Personality Disorder

A. An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that ...

E. The enduring pattern is not better accounted for as a manifestation or consequence of another mental disorder.

Thus, if an aspie develops "an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior" exactly the same as that described by SPD, since that enduring pattern is a consequence of his AS, the aspie is not diagnosed SPD. Which is clearly ridiculous since for all practical purposes the aspie has SPD, but that's the way official psychiatry works.

In the case of ICD-10, interpretation 2 is supported by the fact that ICD-10 gives as a synonym for AS "schizoid disorder of childhood", and is further supported by the fact that codes F60-F69, which include SPD as F60.1, is named "Disorders of adult personality and behavior".

Curiously, in ICD-10 the exclusion between AS and OCD (F42) and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (F60.5) is asymmetric but the other way round, in that it is specified only on the AS side. As experience tells unequivocally that aspies frequently have OCD or OCPD, the only way to interpret this exclusion is the same as in the case of SPD: it refers only to the OCD and OCPD of NTs. This is further confirmed by the fact that the definition of OCD (F42) specifies: "However, obsessional symptoms developing in the presence of schizophrenia, Tourette's syndrome, or organic mental disorder should be regarded as part of these conditions." (And clearly AS, as any other condition within the ASD spectrum, is a case of "organic mental disorder".)

PS: it seems that the system automatically expands the acronym O C D (without intermediate spaces).
 
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Are any of you guys familiar with the movie Lars and the Real Girl? The protagonist, who is an obvious Aspie, also seems like the ultimate schizoid.
 

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