Do you believe there's extraterrestrial life out there?

[Cyber]

The US government claim that they were unable to tack drones for variety of reasons, as a government scientist told 60 minutes (a popular news program). I understand that shouting them down is dangerous because they fly in densely populated areas. The reason why aircraft cannot follow them makes no sense to me because they fly slow, as the radar data shows, they are not superfast UFOs. The best way to determine the drone points of departure is to use satellite data. However, the scientist said nothing about the satellite images of drones.

At least the incidents in Jersey were never properly explained. It reminds me of the Phoenix Lights incident in Arizona back in the 1990s. Literally thousands of people who witnessed a giant triangle the size of a football field were told it was just flares dropped from jets. Just for fun I watched night images of actual flares on youtube and it was so obvious based on the uneven speed they dropped and the disparity in light intensity between the flares.

 

[Cyber]

Ok confirmed. NASA live feed cut off several seconds before camera live feed of 3I Atlas from Mars
But the one single image looks like a tic tac
NASA Rover Appears to Catch Photo of Mysterious Interstellar Object From Surface of Mars

 

[Cyber]

well this frustrating not only did early photos mistake Phobos for 3I Atlas
https://bsky.app/profile/stim3on.bsky.s ... k6h4npf22d

But the first confirmed video image makes 3I Atlas looks like a round spec
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration ... t_3I_ATLAS

According to the European space Agency 3I/ATLAS has not yet revealed itself in the Mars Express images, partly because these were taken with an exposure time of just 0.5 seconds (the maximum limit for Mars Express) compared to five seconds for ExoMars TGO.

Scientists will continue to analyse the data from both orbiters, including adding together several images from Mars Express to see if they can spot the faint comet.

They also tried to measure the spectrum of light from comet 3I/ATLAS using Mars Express’s OMEGA and SPICAM spectrometers, and ExoMars TGO’s NOMAD spectrometer. At this point, it is uncertain whether the coma and tail were bright enough for a spectral characterisation.

 

[Cyber]

Also the round object seems to missing a comet tail? how is this a comet without a tail?

 

[Cyber]

All bets on what 3I Atlas is/identity hinges on High Resolution Imaging Experiment (HiRISE) camera on Mars which will capture images (we assume) but currently is under a NASA shutdown so NASA can choose not to share images.

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As Avi Loeb says, possibly the greatest discovery in human history may be stalled due to the bureaucratic stupidity of a few selfish individuals.

 

[vergil96]

Also the round object seems to missing a comet tail? how is this a comet without a tail?

No, not all comets have tails (Wikipedia):

A comet tail is a projection of material from a comet that often becomes visible when illuminated by the Sun, while the comet passes through the inner Solar System. As a comet approaches the Sun, solar radiation causes the volatile materials within the comet to vaporize and stream out of the comet nucleus, carrying dust away with them.

Blown by the solar wind, these materials typically form two separate tails that extend outwards from the comet's orbit: the dust tail, composed of comet dust, and the gas or ion tail, composed of ionized gases. They become visible through different mechanisms: the dust tail reflects sunlight directly, while the gas tail glows because of the ionization.

Larger dust particles are less affected by solar wind and tend to persist along the comet's trajectory, forming a dust trail which, when seen from Earth in certain conditions, appears as an anti-tail (or antitail) extending in the opposite directions to the main tail.

So the tails are visible only as the comet passes near the star. If it never had a tail, it would be an asteroid.

Ok confirmed. NASA live feed cut off several seconds before camera live feed of 3I Atlas from Mars
But the one single image looks like a tic tac
NASA Rover Appears to Catch Photo of Mysterious Interstellar Object From Surface of Mars

And this photograph has a really long exposure time, long enough for the object to move during this time.

under a NASA shutdown

I would do the same if I was responsible for NASA press presence. Too many people think it's aliens and speculate based on the tiniest and most normal details of the object. Any further details, especially images before proper interpretation, will only ignite the public opinion if it's not aliens, and if it's really aliens, then public panic would be a tragedy.

the greatest discovery in human history

The images are extremely pixelated and require supercomputers to make them usable. There is an extreme amount of noise in the data, so it's hard to clearly determine much.

 

[vergil96]

I suppose, but I would have thought Putin would have bigger fish to fry?

No, that's exactly what he and others in power in Russia do, this whole hybrid and psychological war thing. They will keep on poking to see how far they can go, testing boundaries and how much bullying which country takes, and to see what they provoke. It's hardly the first time Russian drones fly over EU.

 

[Cyber]

Fair points, Let's wait and see if NASA release the Hirise images from Mars and Juno images from Jupiter. I am very keen to see who our interstellar visitor is?

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

Latest update that I trust.

 

[Cyber]

It's odd, I posted on another (rather large) forum about how the comet is anomalous and why it's a coincidence NASA is shutdown at the precise date 3I Atlas is passing and how NASA seem to be suppressing the Univ Arizona from releasing it's image from the HiRiSe telescope/camera and the post was immediately locked

 

[Cyber]

things are getting rather close to disclosure when Nature publishes evidence for UFOs

 

[vergil96]

things are getting rather close to disclosure when Nature publishes evidence for UFOs

I'm not up to date with the recent publicatioj, but it's no mystery to there are UFO/UAP sightings and they do get registered on cameras, telescopes etc. - however, there isn't enough data to be sure what they are. They're single flashing pixels, glitches, things someome saw with the corner of their eye and at a distance etc. Impersonating the phenomena is a far leap in reasoning. There have been numerous phenomena in the past that seemed like aliens, vut were not. One of my favourites is the flying saucer cloud It forms at the boundaries of atmospheric fronts in the mountains.

Lenticular cloud - Wikipedia

Quasars, rotating stars emiting flasges of radiation, were also thought to be aliens sending signals.

Even on this forum, people have said they they saw what they thought could be a UFO, but it turned out years later that it waa a military aircraft.

It's the same reasoning fallacy as religions attributing e.g. lightning bolts to a god like Zeus.

Personally, I'm not the one to dismiss "strange" observations immediately. However, I wouldn't leap to conclusions. There are a lot of things we don't know yet and it doesn't mean there is a subject behind it. It's a very human feature of cognition to see consciousness and personhood where there is none. Our brains are designed to look for it. It's an evolutionary feature.

the post was immediately locked

Because certain forums immediately lock whetever seems like a conspiration theory.

Latest update that I trust.

At least at the very beginning, the video quite authoritarian about comets and tails. It's not true.

This image reminds me of something, but I can't quite recall what it is at the moment.

Alright, it seems like the topic deserves a little physics and astronomy lecture. I almost became a physicist and might go back to it, so I'll go back to it, when I habe free time ;P

The argument about elongated shape is simply fake, because the exposure time of the photograph is long and enough for the object to move.

 

[vergil96]

This is natural gas burning. The optics of it make it look like there is a "shell" and a small "tail". It's a quite normal sight of glowing plasma or gas. It's how the physics of this particular chemical compound burning works. I don't want to lie, but the middle is probably filled with influx of new gas under pressure that isn't burning yet and only the surface is actually undergoing the oxidation. At the same time, in terms of visible wavelengths, the surface flame looks faint. It sounds like a very likely scenario for a comet that it will eject gases under a pressure and only the surface glows.

 

[Cyber]

I'm not up to date with the recent publicatioj, but it's no mystery to there are UFO/UAP sightings and they do get registered on cameras, telescopes etc. - however, there isn't enough data to be sure what they are. They're single flashing pixels, glitches, things someome saw with the corner of their eye and at a distance etc. Impersonating the phenomena is a far leap in reasoning

Fair enough, but identifying clearly moving/reflective objects orbiting earth in 1952 that are confirmed not to be asteroids or meteors and appear statistically around dates associated with mass sightings around nuclear tests and the famous Washington incident on July 27 opens a door to pose new research questions. In 1952 the earth's orbit was free of man-made debris/objects (Sputnik would not be launched for another 5 years). Given objects were visually observed by members of the military following nuclear tests in 1952 and the current US congressional hearings on UAPs acknowledge these objects appear frequently around US nuclear assets I would say this astronomical finding simply adds weight to decades of radar, photos, eyewitness testimony from military personnel.

And while we can't rush to claiming "aliens" (lest one is accused of a conspiracy) who could possibly construct objects that have no propulsion system and move at incredible speeds from the surface to space in 1952? I also find it stretching credibility to breaking point that so many senior military personnel in leadership positions with authority to press buttons to start world war III would risk their careers and reputation to swear an oath they witnessed anomalous objects frequently around nuclear sites?.

At the very minimum it represents a failure of the US government to provide secure defence around nuclear assets. Several testimonies claim the objects have the capacity to interfere with launch and guidance systems.

 

[vergil96]

It's okay not to understand and admit it, acknowledge the facts without making leaps.