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Biphasic Sleep

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Raggamuffin, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. Raggamuffin

    Raggamuffin Well-Known Member

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    Supposedly it was quite common in the past - to sleep twice a day, as opposed to one, monophasic sleep period each day. As for benefits - I've read it could help with productivity. Mind you, this was in the Seth material - and a lot of information written in that books is rather profound. I feel that lengthy sleep can hinder me, rather than help. As far as I can tell there appears to be no issues with trying this method; so long as I get 7-9 hours sleep. I'm used to 8-9 hours sleep a day - but I find this method rather intriguing and I intend to try it as of next week.

    I'm going back to my old shift pattern at work next week and I wanted to attempt biphasic sleep. Recently I've been exercising more, and now I'm finally making a point of drinking more water. The aim is to reach 3 litres a day and in turn reduce the amount of caffeine I drink. Poor diet and living off coffee hasn't been good for my stomach of late. Add stress to that and I'm not in the best place.

    Before the lockdown I had a nice routine going - I'd wake up at 6am. Leave for work at 6:30am. Arriving at 7:10am which is 80 minutes before work begins. I would then go for a long walk around the woods and sit to meditate by the lake. A relaxing start to the day. Now that we're reverting back to this old shift pattern of 08:30 - 17:00 I will get my hour lunch break back. This means another walk, or doing my contact staffing, or taking an hour to sit out on the grass with my lunch and read a book - anything to get away from that office.

    For biphasic sleep I will be attempting the following:

    Sleep 1 - 02:00 - 06:00
    Sleep 2 - 18:00 - 22:00

    With this, and maintaining my regular exercise whilst increasing water consumption - I think I could be onto a winner. What will be nice about trialling this sleep method is that I would be both a morning person, and a night owl each day.

    I'm quite excited to give it a go. I'll keep you posted on how this experiment goes.

    Ed
     
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  2. simetra

    simetra Nervous laughter

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    One of my colleagues sleeps in two shifts of four hours each too; not because he planned it out like you, but because his sleep schedule had been messed up for years, where he'd sleep (more or less) during the day and work at night.
    At some point, he unknowingly ended up with a similar pattern you are aiming for - one could interpret this as a sign that humans still have the unconscious tendency to fall into this.
     
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  3. Raggamuffin

    Raggamuffin Well-Known Member

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    I feel I've been lucky; in all my years with stress and anxiety it's rarely affected sleep. If anything, when times are bad I sleep more than normal and never have issues getting to sleep. I know sleeping too much isn't exactly healthy - but it feels easier to live with, compared to not sleeping enough.

    I think the sleep pattern trial will mean I am awake predominantly during the day time. Plus with the regular time outdoors and exercising, I'll be sure to get enough sunlight and fresh air etc. Hydration supposedly helps you feel more awake and alert after a few weeks too.

    I've done a few night shifts in previous jobs and I ended those days feeling like a zombie. It's quite surreal how your mind and body reacts to reversing your sleep schedule.

    I can imagine the first few days or weeks of this new pattern could be a shock to the system, but I'll persevere for a few months to see if I find it beneficial in the long run. At the end of the day, there's no harm in trying.

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  4. Jade Baggins-Clark

    Jade Baggins-Clark New Member

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    Yes I have read about this in pre- electricity times, the midnight hours often being the most productive for writers and poets... and witches ;) I am a night owl but I am healthier in the body and mind when I sleep earlier. That said I should go do that
     
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  5. Els

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    In Greece and mediterranean countries there's still biphasic sleep - althrough not everyone does this. It has very good effects on me, monophasic sleep doesn't fit well.
    I stopped coffee about a week ago, and as each time I do that, I don't regret it. I just crave for the taste, but it's not helping stress at all.

    Keep us in touch :)
     
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  6. menander

    menander Well-Known Member

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    Here is a great book on the topic. Segmented Sleep---- I am not sure I buy it totally, but even as far back as Gilgamesh, there were clear signs of segmented sleep. Think of night watches, too. The Industrial Rev made it so people HAD to be at work at 0:Dark-hundred so they had to bed down accordingly.

    At Day's Close

    [Forum] | Segmented Sleep, A. Roger Ekirch | Harper's Magazine
     
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  7. Progster

    Progster Gone sideways to the sun V.I.P Member

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    Biphasic sleep would be beneficial to me, but I can't... if I lie down during the middle of the day, my mind won't shut down enough or relax enough to sleep. And the other thing is, if I know I still have to work later in the day, my mind is on that and I can't sleep. I really don't know how people manage to relax enough during the day that they can sleep. My mind just won't shut down.
     
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    Tom Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    I'm a little peeved at whomever coined the term 'Biphasic'. A clumsy and over engineered word I'd say, and now we are stuck with it. I'd prefer something like 'Split Zs' (Z-Z in shorthand). Or maybe ZZ Flop.

    I attempted it out of necessity when taking night college courses, but it did not work well for me.
     
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    Fino Alex V.I.P Member

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    I find it stressful just getting to sleep once. :eek: Good luck!
     
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    I sometimes have a biphasic sleep pattern, not purposely, sleeping say 10 til 2 or 3 am, then awake 2 or 3 hours, and sleeping again for an hour or two. I don't mind it. But if I go to bed later that generally doesn't happen, I sleep 6 hours or so.
     
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  11. Pieplup

    Pieplup The Penguin

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    I seem to recall that it's more of a 8 hours 1 hour rest at midnight 8 hours thing.
     
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    Been doing split shift sleep for about 5 years, menopause and aging affected my sleep patterns, and split shift is what was left from the wreckage.
     
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    Trying to work from home, I naturally fall into this two period sleep pattern.
     
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    I can't sleep the monophasic pattern.
    I just wake up after about 4-5 hours wide awake and want to get up and have breakfast.
    Then after usually 2 hours, I feel the need to finish the rest of the cycle.
    So I sleep another 2-3 hours in the early afternoon.
    Then I'm up for working around the house or going where I need, a little TV and PC time at night.
    Stay up until 5 am and the cycle starts again.
    5 am - 10 am, then 1 pm - 3 or 4 pm.
    Odd hours, but, it is what my body seems to want.


    I can fall asleep very easily with no trouble even if anxious or stressed.
    In fact it is easier if I am because it is a quick escape from the problem.
     
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  15. BraidedPony

    BraidedPony Enjoying life and glad to be alive! V.I.P Member

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    I only read this because I thought it said biphasic sheep.
    I need new glasses.
     
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  16. BenderRodriguez

    BenderRodriguez Active Member

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    Same here, I'm lucky if I get any sleep once in 24 hours...
     
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