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Autism and Competiveness

When it comes to being competitive, I

  • Am not and really don’t care to be.

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Am on certain things, particularly things that are of interest like video games, certain sports, etc

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Can be if necessary, but am not normally.

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Would prefer to be left alone as I could care less.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am very competitive and will do what's necessary to win!

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .

Sportster

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Recently I read an interesting article about those on the spectrum and competiveness and it caused me to think. Most Aspies that I know do not participate in sports nor enjoy the drama of the game; I am one of them. On the other hand, many do enjoy video games, etc.

I enjoy motorsports, but it’s not the competition that attracts me. Rather, it’s the drama of man and machine, the speed, the flirtation with disaster. I have never been a competitive person; I have never seen the reason or need for competing against others for any purpose.

The article alluded to those that play video games and what takes place is not competition, but a drive to win that is not like those competing. I can’t recall the term used, but I understood what it was getting at having observed it in others.

Self-competitiveness! That's it. That's how I am. Some friends watched me driving go-carts a few years ago and made the comment that I didn't seem to be racing against others, but rather against myself. Though I'm cognizant of others around me, I do not see them as the competition.

With that said, are you competitive? If so, what do you derive from it? If not, what are your reasons?
 
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I’m not competitive at all. In sports and in dancing, my mind and body have no coordination at all. It’s like my mind understands the instructions of how things are done, but it gets all mixed up when it is time for my body to perform. Yes, I love to see people dancing and doing fitness exercises like zumba, but it takes a while for my body to feel comfortable and get used with the movement. I notice that my body freezes for a while, sort of space out, and when it does feel comfy, I am already 2 minutes behind from the movement. Swimming is also a challenge for me, I am just a very basic swimmer. Chlorine close to my eyes really bothers me. I just envy people who are gifted in athletics.
 
When I helped out and ultimately became a sysop on a busy website, I always made a special effort to come across as sensible and professional as possible, I also went out of my way to help and treat members with a lot of respect which eventually turned around the entire reputation of the site that had been seriously damaged by previous staff actions, this gave me a very good reputation and I was generally well liked in the community overall. I surprisingly found dealing with people much easier than in real life because most of the time I didn't have to deal with them in real time. I found instant chat much more challenging, although even with this I improved and came a long way. In fact overall the site helped me greatly to understand and deal with people much better in general, something I didn't think would be possible. A "stupid" competitive side game bought out the worst in me however as I will explain...

We had noticed that members weren't using the IRC (Internet Relay Chat) as much as in the past and we was looking for solutions. I was approached by a well known and respected member who had been developing a lighthearted, interactive and competitive IRC game himself, he was happy to let us use his game freely and in turn it would give him the opportunity to test, develop and add new content as we went along. I setup a new chat room especially for it, the new game was promoted, launched and it was quite popular at first. Unfortunately the game soon bought out the worst in me however because I quickly became over obsessive about it wanting to win, to the extent that I was even setting alarms to get out of bed on purpose to ensure commands were typed at certain times to gain the maximum advantage, but since there was also quite a bit of luck involved I would sometimes get really upset when the luck turned against me, often showing it by moaning almost like a child (I can even relate to how John McEnroe must have felt during his various tantrums, please click here to see an infamous one). In fact the game became as important, if not more important to me than helping with the rest of the site which I was also over obsessive and addicted to. I knew it was ridiculous and I really wanted to stop myself. I also knew that it would have been much better just to let other members win and on a few occasions I got so far ahead that the developer decided he had to change the dynamics of the game to stop me because it would cause other players to lose interest. I knew it was the right thing for him to do, but it still infuriated me, especially when just one change caused me to lose my lead dramatically after he'd effectively moved the goal posts so the decisions I made under the old game dynamics that helped me to get so far ahead were now punishing me severely. I made myself look stupid and very unprofessional. I couldn't help myself and I kept showing just how much the game bothered me by complaining about new dynamics that were specifically unfair to myself when I was winning, suddenly giving other people who hadn't earned it the advantage so they can catch up. This eventually started annoying the developer who was helping the site, allowing us to use his game for absolutely nothing and it caused friction. I felt really bad about it, embarrassed and tried so hard to stop myself, but in the end I decided it would be much better if I didn't play it at all. I then found that I was so addicted and obsessed by the game that I actually found this very difficult to walk away, I felt awful and really missed the game, it was like a genuine addiction and I had to keep telling myself that it was just a stupid game that honestly didn't matter. I knew that this must have been autism related and this made me want to override it even more.

So in summary, yes, in certain things of interest I can become obsessively competitive and if I'm not really careful it can bring out the worst in me. Generally I hate sport, but can anyone else become this obsessive over a game as silly as this, or any game or perhaps become such a bad sport over it?


Regarding people on the autistic spectrum not liking sports games in general, the following thread is relevant:

Why do so many aspies have an intense hatred for sports (excepting martial arts and brainy games)?
 
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I don't play video games or sports, but if I play a board game and the goal is to win, then yes, I do try to win. I don't like losing.
 
Dishwashing, getting the trash taken to the curb, digging sweet potatoes; those are the types of things I get competitive about. It's fun and tomorrow is trash day so I may get a sneaky head start this morning.

Sports, (with the exception of cross country bocce ball) board games, art, ect... don't interest me competitively at all. Of course I participate very rarely in anything sporting, and about the only board games I play are Candy Land and Shoots and Ladders (ok, I just don't like games) and as for art, guess I haven't quite figured out how to be competitive with something so subjective.
 
I also choose option 5. I'm competitive with everything, from Scrabble to proper competition, I feel the need to win at everything.
 
I am not competitive at all. When I have played individual sports, of course I try to win. But I rarely do and it does not bother me to much. My biggest problem is that I am a klutz. I trip over my own feet, there are few people that are as clumsy as me.

I do know what extreme competitiveness is. I am a sports fan and have seen this kind of competitiveness in a lot of sports. You only have to watch the Winter Olympics for a little while to see it. However, people competing at the highest levels do not have time for anything else. They have to live it and breath it. That does not sound like fun to me.

I have experienced this kind of competiveness first hand too. My oldest son is very competitive. He played a lot of sports, but exceled in two. Motocross and golf. His attitude toward sports was very extreme. When he was racing, he could not stand to have someone in front of him. When golfing he had to make the best shots and get the lowest score. To him, losing was not a option and would get very upset with himself when he lost. He had a poster in his room that said "Second place is just the first loser".
 
When it comes to self-competitiveness? I'm very competitive. When it comes to competing with others? I could care less.
 
I would consider myself a competitive when it comes to the things that I love. I have the urge that drives me to be the winner.

though the things that I love her not inherently competitive. I just bring a competitive nature within myself to help be better instead of trying to be better than others.

It feels good it really does feel good being that one guy on the hill I'm being separate from all of the others rising above your competition the 'eye of the tiger'

I do use that drive to be better, to motivate myself to be better I don't care about winning, I care about being a better me.

though competition is not always the right thing to be done. in fact being competitive can ultimately be the worst thing you could be doing in a situation.

even though competition feels good you need to keep insight of when competition is not the right thing to do.

reference: karate Kid 2
 
Interesting question. I see competition as another manifestation of social interaction with others. Just not necessarily a positive one. So I suspect many of us are lukewarm to it all other than what may constitute incidental forms of leisure.

I know I've seen it implemented in the workplace in attempts to increase productivity, where ultimately it just made for a hostile and insincere work environment. That I call counter-productive.
 
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I'm not sure I fit the competitive criteria:
- I absolutely hate not being the best at things I care about, and have to be number one,
- But I also get extremely stressed out in situations that are widely accepted as a mild form of competition. You want to send me into near-meltdown state? Give me some cards and make me play solitary, or any card game that you could teach a child.

I think the main thing for me is my expert status. I don't think I've ever taken part in a competition I wasn't sure I could win. I do get very invested in situations where I'm made to compete, such as forming teams at work to compete on company trivia. I will get very intense, and I will crush the competition. But, again, has to do with this expert status thing.
 
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My weak link? Photography...

I have entered in many contests, and rarely win... That then makes me feel like mud, like I'm not good enough... Within my camera club I can identify particular people who "get in my way" of ever winning...

Talking to a friend at club meeting night this week, he said just enter anyway, even just to show my work, even if I don't win... Talking to a friend last night on the phone, he doesn't care about competing with his photography, he's happy enough with his results and doesn't feel the need to compete...

I guess I feel like saying "I won!" will somehow justify in my own mind all the effort I put in, even on social media I don't get much attention paid to me...

I do know I shouldn't think that way
 
I didn't choose an option because although I am definitely competitive, I wouldn't do ANYTHING in order to win.
I play online word games and I play in a league, so it is a highly competitive environment, but some people act like they're playing for cattle stations!

Although I always try to win and be competitive, at the end of the day it is only a game! I don't think it hurts to be a good sport.
 
It destroys the enjoyment of trying if I keep winning. There are video games that I have dominated so often that it became a chore and I became detached. It is that feeling that thrill of an equally skilled opponent or disadvantage. I am only playing the game for that challenge.
 
When I helped out and ultimately became a sysop on a busy website, I always made a special effort to come across as sensible and professional as possible, I also went out of my way to help and treat members with a lot of respect which eventually turned around the entire reputation of the site that had been seriously damaged by previous staff actions, this gave me a very good reputation and I was generally well liked in the community overall. I surprisingly found dealing with people much easier than in real life because most of the time I didn't have to deal with them in real time. I found instant chat much more challenging, although even with this I improved and came a long way. In fact overall the site helped me greatly to understand and deal with people much better in general, something I didn't think would be possible. A "stupid" competitive side game bought out the worst in me however as I will explain...

We had noticed that members weren't using the IRC (Internet Relay Chat) as much as in the past and we was looking for solutions. I was approached by a well known and respected member who had been developing a lighthearted, interactive and competitive IRC game himself, he was happy to let us use his game freely and in turn it would give him the opportunity to test, develop and add new content as we went along. I setup a new chat room especially for it, the new game was promoted, launched and it was quite popular at first. Unfortunately the game soon bought out the worst in me however because I quickly became over obsessive about it wanting to win, to the extent that I was even setting alarms to get out of bed on purpose to ensure commands were typed at certain times to gain the maximum advantage, but since there was also quite a bit of luck involved I would sometimes get really upset when the luck turned against me, often showing it by moaning almost like a child (I can even relate to how John McEnroe must have felt during his various tantrums, please click here to see an infamous one). In fact the game became as important, if not more important to me than helping with the rest of the site which I was also over obsessive and addicted to. I knew it was ridiculous and I really wanted to stop myself. I also knew that it would have been much better just to let other members win and on a few occasions I got so far ahead that the developer decided he had to change the dynamics of the game to stop me because it would cause other players to lose interest. I knew it was the right thing for him to do, but it still infuriated me, especially when just one change caused me to lose my lead dramatically after he'd effectively moved the goal posts so the decisions I made under the old game dynamics that helped me to get so far ahead were now punishing me severely. I made myself look stupid and very unprofessional. I couldn't help myself and I kept showing just how much the game bothered me by complaining about new dynamics that were specifically unfair to myself when I was winning, suddenly giving other people who hadn't earned it the advantage so they can catch up. This eventually started annoying the developer who was helping the site, allowing us to use his game for absolutely nothing and it caused friction. I felt really bad about it, embarrassed and tried so hard to stop myself, but in the end I decided it would be much better if I didn't play it at all. I then found that I was so addicted and obsessed by the game that I actually found this very difficult to walk away, I felt awful and really missed the game, it was like a genuine addiction and I had to keep telling myself that it was just a stupid game that honestly didn't matter. I knew that this must have been autism related and this made me want to override it even more.

So in summary, yes, in certain things of interest I can become obsessively competitive and if I'm not really careful it can bring out the worst in me. Generally I hate sport, but can anyone else become this obsessive over a game as silly as this, or any game or perhaps become such a bad sport over it?


Regarding people on the autistic spectrum not liking sports games in general, the following thread is relevant:

Why do so many aspies have an intense hatred for sports (excepting martial arts and brainy games)?
I had a period where I was toxic and competitive. It was different before because I was only looking for acceptance and validation from others. I would think all of these negative labels about myself, thought other people as a burden and wishing I hadn't been born.

Then life hit me like an earthquake and the army caused me a crazy amount of stress on deployment. We didn't have anything to do on the deployment... The leadership just had nothing better to do than mess with their soldiers. I needed to fix myself. I ended up reading what I could immediately apply in self help books. I think it was the fight or flight response, except I can't run and there's no one threat to deal with. I am more confident and happy with myself than ever since that.
 
My weak link? Photography...

I have entered in many contests, and rarely win... That then makes me feel like mud, like I'm not good enough... Within my camera club I can identify particular people who "get in my way" of ever winning...

Talking to a friend at club meeting night this week, he said just enter anyway, even just to show my work, even if I don't win... Talking to a friend last night on the phone, he doesn't care about competing with his photography, he's happy enough with his results and doesn't feel the need to compete...

I guess I feel like saying "I won!" will somehow justify in my own mind all the effort I put in, even on social media I don't get much attention paid to me...

I do know I shouldn't think that way

All precise reasons why I gave up my plastic modelling club. Seemed like I was going through just the motions of socializing with people once a month. But competing in the annual contests...it became stressful depending on how I did. Made me realize I wasn't enjoying my hobby, so I finally gave up the club and the contests just to hang onto what was once my favorite pastime.
 
All precise reasons why I gave up my plastic modelling club. Seemed like I was going through just the motions of socializing with people once a month. But competing in the annual contests...it became stressful depending on how I did. Made me realize I wasn't enjoying my hobby, so I finally gave up the club and the contests just to hang onto what was once my favorite pastime.

I'm not there yet, but I do know what you mean...
 
I have read on more than one autism website that individual sports such as running or swimming are ideal for those living on the spectrum. That wasn't news to me. I don't run or jog, but I do walk in a park by myself sometimes. Since I often sub for P.E. aides in gym classes, I have more opportunity to jump a rope or dribble a basketball. I am best at doing "solo" activities, whether it be taking a whirl with a hula hoop or writing a blog.

I'd just rather compete against myself rather than another human being(s). In my leisure time, I'll go on a date with my tennis racket and ball to play against a practice wall. The wall always wins, but I get exercise. Sometimes I receive mental therapy by imagining that whatever is irritating me is the wall. When I do that, my ball and racket get a hard workout too. HA!

When I was in the gym one day, a couple of aides and students were at one basketball hoop playing together. I was shooting baskets, too, but at a nearby hoop by myself. I wasn't entirely alone. I had some social interaction. The youngest student, kindergarten age, was in my shadow dribbling the ball to her own delight. She is a little one living on the autism spectrum too. We were content doing our own thing - she dribbling the ball and I aiming for the hoop.
 

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