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Aspies, are you more forgetful than most people?

I am mixed on this. I have a really fantastic genetic memory. I am memorizing a very long poem in another language and am up to about 250 lines so far. Before my accident I was further along and had to start over. Very hard to start over on something you mastered before. It is different now.Harder, takes much more specific focus to get the endings right.

HOWEVER on other things? If I am not paying close attention to things now, I cannot recall. I cannot recall faces now and if I do , I cannot recall if they are safe or not. People I see everyday is OK. It's getting better. It is very odd.

I can also forget to buy stuff or if I already HAVE bought stuff. Every day seems to be new. When I first had the accident I could no longer ruminate on the abuse I endured. It was the first time I felt happy in many many many years. Then that came back and trauma about the accident as well!

It is still not as biting as it was. It used to crush me when I would remember, just CRUSH ME like a damn roach under someone's boot. Now it's like a sadness that comes over me, not that horrific μῆνιν (rage).
 
I am serious about it too, minimalism is a special interest for me.

How does that work with two kids?

I have three, and none of them see any reason to put anything away or rubbish in the bin unless actually being threatened.

I hate clutter but have come to the realisation that we are a messy family and that's all there is to it.
 
@Full Steam
Many factors, I think the most important is that I am ‘The Mom’:) (because usually it’s the mom who takes the lead on these things).
Second, for me it’s survival. Either we are like that, or my life is a mess, I get stressed out, anxious, stop having time for anything, get bad tempered, start screaming at everybody, etc. So my motivation is very high.
Third, this didn’t happen overnight,it’s been a long process. Fourth, with the kids I am minimalist ‘light’, they still have a lot of toys. But, since they are aspies too, they only care about the toys that have to do with their special interests, so for them it makes sense to get rid of everything else. They are also aware that there are other kids that don’t have toys, and it makes them feel good to know that they are helping them.

The kids only like certain specific clothes, so whatever they don’t like (either becase it itches, or doesn’t feel good, or it is not ‘their style) goes away without a thought (and it avoids me the nuissance of hearing all the complaining if I accidentally choose some of the black-listed clothes by mistake). I know that if one of them says that he/ she doesn’t like certain clothes, they will never ever use them. It’s not a big deal to get rid of them.

Sometimes I am the one that doesn’t want to get rid of their stuff. For example, my daughter, who was obsessed with My Little Pony for almost five years, decided recently (she’ll be 13 in a few days) to sell all her MLP collection:eek: (they keep the money and can use it for whatever they want, that’s another incentive). Thank God she couldn’t sell them all, I am not prepared for that:D.
 
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Under stress, the hippocampus cannot function properly. The more stress, the more dysfunction.

The hippocampus belongs to the limbic system and plays important roles in the consolidation of information from short-term memory to long-term memory, and in spatial memory that enables navigation. The hippocampus is located under the cerebral cortex (allocortical) and in primates in the medial temporal lobe.
Wikipedia​

This little seahorse-shaped organ in the center of our brain is the Master Filing Clerk of our memories. Short term seems more protected; this is on the order of reflex, it's easy to remember things that just happened. But when we are stressed, this system (like so many others) gets shorted on fuel and can't work. So memories just jumbled or never filed away, stacking up on the "hippocampus desk" where we can't find them, instead of being in our cellular filing cabinets where we can get at them.

I was so sick for a few years that there's stuff all over the apartment that I will have to eventually discover; just doing the basics of my job and my hygiene was all I could do.
 
I don't think much about neurology when it comes to memory concerns. I just consider my age.

One thing I've begun to do consciously, is that whenever I have difficulty recalling something, I keep it in my mind, much like "a dog with a bone". I don't let go of it...I just keep at it until I recall exactly what I had initially forgotten. And it works.

So I can say to myself, "I guess I haven't lost my mind quite yet!" :cool:
 
I have absolutely terrible short term memory! Except if it has something to do with interests or numbers. Everyday is confusing when I go into a room and can’t for the life of me remember why I’m in it. But my long term is very good. A lot of visuals I can see like pictures, except times where I was doing aspie things(meltdowns, social interactions, lining toys up, imaginary friends). You know, the most important things in order to help me and I can’t pinpoint any of them...
 
pjcnet-yes yes yes!!!
It is the bane of my existence(ok one of the MANY banes of my existence ; ). I as a teenager I lost 15-25 sets of house keys. I developed a system of borrowing my mom's keys and getting a duplicate made before she knew. I also often lose something that I was holding less than 10 minutes ago. I think I have left my lock at the health club a dozen times.

I feel like I have PTSD for losing things. If I can't find something in a minute or two, my stress level immediately goes way up(oh no not again!!) Then I can't do anything until I find that object--especially if i was just holding it a few minutes ago!! So frustrating!

But I really want to be responsible and be resilient so I really try to be proactive now. For example, I have a back-up lock for the gym in my car. I buy online glasses so I can have backups everywhere, my iphone is on a horrible heavy belt clip(but have not lost my iphone since!!), etc. I also try leverage my propensity for repetition. For example, when I get home from work, I immediately place all my work items in the same place in the same sequence and immediately have them in my bag--ready to take to work the next day. Before bed I check everything again because when I first wake up--I am NOT functioning at my best. When I see everything ready for work--I can sleep easier! All part of doing business.
 
Not long ago, I was diagnosed with a learning deficit, though it was never given a name and wasn't really talked about at any depth. For reasons which I won't discuss, I had to undergo a psychological evaluation and was told of the deficit months later. A lot of people in my life have dismissed that as the psychologist doesn't know what he's talking about, but for me the finding made sense, and it applies to anything from remembering where I put something or when an appointment is, to trying to learn things in school.

Basically I only remember things that I can systemize, and or that I can somehow set a priority on to code into something that'll stick. I cannot focus on two things at once to save my life. Dealing with raw language or random information is my biggest deficit. If you give me a sequence of as few as four numbers and ask me 10 seconds later to tell you what it was, I might not remember one digit, or if I do remember a digit or two, I'll forget the order they were supposed to be in, especially if I'm even a little distracted. If I'm not distracted, if I don't have to do anything else, then that 4-digit sequence isn't as hard to get down. But if I'm even a little distracted then I completely forget it. How long it takes me for something to get from shortterm to longterm memory is something I don't yet know.

With 16 items to remember during the test at the psychological evaluation, it didn't go so well. I only remembered maybe 3 of the 16 things, compared to the supposedly normal 7/16 on first run. I think the reason I had such trouble was that I was on information overload; I didn't have time to concentrate on remembering the first word or two before I was hit with more. Which is just as well, because trying my hardest to remember all 16 would've exhausted me to death anyway. With repetition I did improve, but not as fast as they thought I should. I could barely remember half the items on my fourth run (IIRC I only got 6). And I think they would've expected about twice that amount normally.

As it turns out, this type of memory lends itself well to my musical aptitudes. Because I'm blind, I have to memorize pieces of music I perform, or ideas I have if I"m composing. I've gotten really good at memorizing pieces, but it was while in college that I learned an important lesson.

I have perfect pitch and can hear notes very easily, and so there is a common stereotype that such people can just learn things instantly the first time they hear it. This is sadly not the case. I can never remember the notes I hear in a piece of music. Trying to write them down and recall them isn't good enough, even trying to visualize playing them, the sound of each note, or my hand positions at the keyboard aren't good enough. I have sound/texture synesthesia, which means that certain notes and musical keys produce different textures and sensations that I can trace, and some people with synesthesia have said it helps them to remember, but for me, the associations are subtle and don't help me much. At best, my synesthesia can help me remember what key something is in or what instrument should be used, but not the notes. I tried to use all of these strategies to get better at retaining music, before I came to the realization that I had to sit down and play what I heard as I heard it, and actively stimulate myself.

Fortunately, playing what I hear without thinking is something I'm pretty good at. I'd take a ppiece in chunks of perhaps 3-6 notes at a time and get each chunk down in my memory simply by playing it a few times, without analyzing details. I can also, for the purposes of learning, encode chunks in a sort of simpler form in realtime, for instance if something repeats or follows a pattern that's easy to pick up on, or if there are multiple notes at once which I can chunk into a single block. I start to build a roadmap of sorts which I can decode as needed while I'm playing until I get to a point where I don't need it. Surprisingly my synesthesia can help me out because I'm actively engaging it with aural and tactile stimulation. I can sense a dip here, a rise there, a circular shape represents something that repeats, a spiraling shape represents a pattern of some sort. A flat wide landscape indicates a lot of white keys, a thin tall landscape indicates black keys. These shapes no doubt are triggered by the motions my hands have to make at the keyboard, but sometimes tehy get really profound and I can't explain them that way, especially when I am composing or doing sound design. In any case, I can see these shapes in my mind's eye in a sense. This allows me to learn large amounts of material in a short time, so long as I can hear and physically play the notes. Now, if somebody asks me to tell them what notes I'm playing, I have to decode all that tactile-sound roadmap I've constructed into language... This is a slow process because as I said I do not have a memory for language. I have to remember a few notes, speak their names, purge them from my memory, and repeat on the next group of notes. I'm not really fond of the process.


I'm able to downscale my way of learning to meet different demands. The system I was talking about is what I used to learn classical things and get things note-for-note, but I also play other genres like jazz, fusion and others. Just a few weeks ago our band had to learn about a dozen new songs, a few of which were actually difficult comparatively. Learning non-classical music is easier in a sense though because a lot of what we're playing is improvised, so I didn't need to learn exact notes. This being the case, I don't necessarily need a keyboard to learn chords, I can actually learn while listening, but it's still difficult to retain. Sitting at a keyboard made it so much easier and it's the only way I can learn melodies or specific lines I have to play. I basically learned the chords for all of our new stuff over that two week period. I was able to sort of filter out details that wouldn't be necessary to learn, like the exact notes I heard, but was still able to absorb the chord as a whole. The exact notes I play were left to my disgression while performing, and so I consciously didn't learn anything concrete, and my ability to improvize is probably why I was able to do this.

So through all of this I've learned I cannot rely on my informational memory; I do far, far better if I can get to a place where I don't need it.. I don't think this is something I desperately needed to know to live my life, since even the psychologist who evaluated me agreed that I compensate so well that there's nothing to be said about it really. But it fascinates me, since it hints at why I struggled so much in many subjects in school. The more complex the information became, and the less I could connect with it, the more magnified my focus difficulties were. Sadly, I never picked up on this pattern of memory as a child, and it seems nobody else did either or knew how to help me. I had to discover this on my own and I am a lot happier now that I have. I'm so glad to know that it seems aspies process and remember differently for the most part, and that I am often not alone in my retention difficulties.
 
My short-term memory is horrendous and my long-term memory is full of gaps. When I was at university the only way I got through the lectures and the following tutorials was to write down literally everything that was said. I didn't come away with lecture notes - I came away with the whole lecture, including the asides, tangents and jokes, just in case there was something important I might otherwise miss. I had murderous writers' cramp on tuition days, but I suppose it paid off in the end, since I was able to graduate with a decent enough degree.

But I'm damned if I can remember much about it now. I can't remember the names of more than three of my classmates, I've forgotten most of what was in the courses and I doubt if I could defend my thesis if challenged. It's as if there's a delete key in my brain that's hard-wired in the 'on' position.
 
I believe I used to be better at remembering where I'd put things and remembering to bring things than the average person, but since I had ECT, I've become very forgetful.
 
Lately ive forgotten things in the short term. But i have a peculiar power. I can activate a certain frame of mind. Where whatever i study long enough imprints. I can remeber it later with perfect clarity.
 
Yes this is aspie.

There was a thread on memory a while back, also I read somewhere that aspies have really awful or non existant short term memory, but near videographic visualization abilities and strong long term memory for details and fragments that can be pieced together to find patterns.

However, ironically, I can't remember the thread and I can't remember where I read about aspie memories!

Oh my gosh you just described me to a T!

There are specific things I remember though. Things that have a visual component. A phone number or date? Forget it. A conversation or event? Highly likely to remember it in explicit detail. (Which is distressing at times because I have intricate memory of distressing events).
 

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