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Why Men Are Walking Away From Dating

i've seen these posts on social media lately, it says according to research, 1 in 4 adults is expected to be single for life.

"A Pew Research Center study signals a major cultural shift: one in four adults today is likely to remain single for life. That means by the time the current generation of young adults hits 50, roughly 25% may never marry—a striking change from past decades.
While this trend raises questions about long-term care, loneliness, and societal structures, it also reflects evolving values. Many lifelong singles report greater self-determination, stronger friendships, and more personal growth than their married peers. Rather than a lack, for many, lifelong singlehood is a deliberate and fulfilling path."
 
i've seen these posts on social media lately, it says according to research, 1 in 4 adults is expected to be single for life.
Sounds good to me. :cool:

The primary reason ppl have a married/de-facto relationship is to, overwhelmingly, follow their primal urges and reproduce.
Even intelligent ones. :eek:

But that often stems from personal and pragmatic selfish needs.

There are cultures/religions/philosophies that believe ppl who do need to procreate are simply at a lower level of enlightenment.

So:
Be enlightened.
Holster your genitalia and hang them up in retirement.
Or watch porn and do your own solo thang. :cool:
 
i've seen these posts on social media lately, it says according to research, 1 in 4 adults is expected to be single for life.

"A Pew Research Center study signals a major cultural shift: one in four adults today is likely to remain single for life. That means by the time the current generation of young adults hits 50, roughly 25% may never marry—a striking change from past decades.
While this trend raises questions about long-term care, loneliness, and societal structures, it also reflects evolving values. Many lifelong singles report greater self-determination, stronger friendships, and more personal growth than their married peers. Rather than a lack, for many, lifelong singlehood is a deliberate and fulfilling path."
Thanks for this information. If you have a link , please post it.

A comment about the conclusion, which is probably biased.

There's is a big difference between what people say they want and what they actually do (stated and revealed preferences). This is very significant in understanding the "dating market".

The same effect is obviously true over a person's lifetime. Younger people work towards objectives which they may not be satisfied with later in life.
It looks to me that this text:
Many lifelong singles report greater self-determination, stronger friendships, and more personal growth than their married peers. Rather than a lack, for many, lifelong singlehood is a deliberate and fulfilling path.
is a "stated preference" which includes people who have made some "endgame" choices impossible, and are wisely looking at the positive aspects of their current lives. But the "revealed state" isn't so simple:

that demographic has ever-increasing rates of depression and consumption of SSRI's to deal with it. Which suggests that their "revealed situation" has negative sides too.
 
A lot of women were pretty blunt in the post letting me know they were interested, I did not know I was on the spectrum. Just thought they were fooling around joking.
I also noticed that are lot of them are anything but shy but I was also quite socially switched on. I had a great time when I was young.

Someone in a previous post mentioned something about learning how to talk to women. That works when you start actually listening and noticing responses and you soon learn how Not to talk around women.

Thanks for this information. If you have a link , please post it.
I'm also curious to find out more about it, what country or culture dominated the study, etc.

In Australia religion started falling out of favour from the 60s onwards and marriage also became less popular but that didn't have a noticeable impact on our birth rates.

As a child watching US movies and TV shows that stood out as a glaring cultural difference between Australia and the US. I know popular media isn't a fair representation of a society but back then that was the only real contact we had, the only view we ever got of other cultures. To my child's mind it all looked very strange, I couldn't understand why people had to get married just to have a root. Especially the Hollywood celebrities, it seemed that half of them only ever got married for a week or so before getting divorced again.
 
i've seen these posts on social media lately, it says according to research, 1 in 4 adults is expected to be single for life.

"A Pew Research Center study signals a major cultural shift: one in four adults today is likely to remain single for life. That means by the time the current generation of young adults hits 50, roughly 25% may never marry—a striking change from past decades.
While this trend raises questions about long-term care, loneliness, and societal structures, it also reflects evolving values. Many lifelong singles report greater self-determination, stronger friendships, and more personal growth than their married peers. Rather than a lack, for many, lifelong singlehood is a deliberate and fulfilling path."

Makes sense, in that 'building a nest' in this economy is much harder than it was in the post WW2 period. Back then a family with an average single salary could afford the suburban lifestyle and have 2.4 kids. Not now. In my country it's not unusual for older working class adults with trade skills to still live in a house share.
 
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Thanks for this information. If you have a link , please post it.

A comment about the conclusion, which is probably biased.

There's is a big difference between what people say they want and what they actually do (stated and revealed preferences). This is very significant in understanding the "dating market".

The same effect is obviously true over a person's lifetime. Younger people work towards objectives which they may not be satisfied with later in life.
It looks to me that this text:

is a "stated preference" which includes people who have made some "endgame" choices impossible, and are wisely looking at the positive aspects of their current lives. But the "revealed state" isn't so simple:

that demographic has ever-increasing rates of depression and consumption of SSRI's to deal with it. Which suggests that their "revealed situation" has negative sides too.
The single community includes those who are single by choice  and those who are single because they're unable to get a partner (there are a number of reasons one might be unable to get a partner by the way; it doesn't necessarily mean the individual is undesirable)

The ones who are unable to get a relationship are probably the ones with depression, consuming SSRI's, etc.
 
I also noticed that are lot of them are anything but shy but I was also quite socially switched on. I had a great time when I was young.

Someone in a previous post mentioned something about learning how to talk to women. That works when you start actually listening and noticing responses and you soon learn how Not to talk around women.


I'm also curious to find out more about it, what country or culture dominated the study, etc.

In Australia religion started falling out of favour from the 60s onwards and marriage also became less popular but that didn't have a noticeable impact on our birth rates.

As a child watching US movies and TV shows that stood out as a glaring cultural difference between Australia and the US. I know popular media isn't a fair representation of a society but back then that was the only real contact we had, the only view we ever got of other cultures. To my child's mind it all looked very strange, I couldn't understand why people had to get married just to have a root. Especially the Hollywood celebrities, it seemed that half of them only ever got married for a week or so before getting divorced again.
Since media was your only glimpse into American culture as a kid, I totally get why media shaped your perception of American culture.

On a related note, I've been called stupid before because when I was in high school, I thought college movies were how college really was. How was I supposed to know though? Movies were my only glimpse into college culture at the time.
 
The single community includes those who are single by choice  and those who are single because they're unable to get a partner (there are a number of reasons one might be unable to get a partner by the way; it doesn't necessarily mean the individual is undesirable)

The ones who are unable to get a relationship are probably the ones with depression, consuming SSRI's, etc.
Agree. I think there's probably even more to it than the categories you and I have mentioned.
And I was definitely selecting for people who probably aren't happy with their life situation to provide a contrast to the post I quoted. That particular group certainly exists, but it's certainly not a majority.

My point was just that the text that refers to the Pew Study only explicitly described the most positive interpretation.
While this trend raises questions about long-term care, loneliness, and societal structures, it also reflects evolving values. Many lifelong singles report greater self-determination, stronger friendships, and more personal growth than their married peers. Rather than a lack, for many, lifelong singlehood is a deliberate and fulfilling path.
That's the kind of close that's normal in a magazine article. But you wouldn't expect to see it in a serious study.

The reason I asked for a link is that IMO the most likely explanation is that
That text might actually come from a "puff piece" that's referring to a serious study, but in which that "upbeat" close is just "feel-good" journalism.
Nothing unusual in that, but now I want to see the material from the study.
 
Since media was your only glimpse into American culture as a kid, I totally get why media shaped your perception of American culture.
That's also how people around the world started to use the slang term Yankee or Yank to mean American. The rest of the world in general population terms knew very little about you before the last half of WWII, except for the movies.

One in particular stuck in people's minds - Yankee Doodle Dandy.

The same sort of thing happened in Australia back in the 60s and 70s when we started taking in refugees from Greece and Cyprus. The only thing they knew about Australia before they got here was from a kids TV show called Skippy The Bush Kangaroo.

The slang term for white Australians is Skippies, or Skips.
 
The slang term for white Australians is Skippies, or Skips.

I think I know the answer, but who originated that slang term?

I still bust up laughing thinking of when my mother was in Britain and someone referred to her as a "Yank". Oops. :oops:
 
I think I know the answer, but who originated that slang term?
It started amongst the Greek population mostly, but all Aussies love shortened versions of words and it spread through all parts of our society pretty quickly. When talking to other Aussies and they ask what nationality my parents were I tell them Skips. There's no ill intent or derogatory associations with those sorts of words here, they just became a part of our every day language.
 
It started amongst the Greek population mostly, but all Aussies love shortened versions of words and it spread through all parts of our society pretty quickly. When talking to other Aussies and they ask what nationality my parents were I tell them Skips. There's no ill intent or derogatory associations with those sorts of words here, they just became a part of our every day language.

Was that Greek population primarily in Melbourne? Just wondering....
 
Agree. I think there's probably even more to it than the categories you and I have mentioned.
And I was definitely selecting for people who probably aren't happy with their life situation to provide a contrast to the post I quoted. That particular group certainly exists, but it's certainly not a majority.

My point was just that the text that refers to the Pew Study only explicitly described the most positive interpretation.

That's the kind of close that's normal in a magazine article. But you wouldn't expect to see it in a serious study.

The reason I asked for a link is that IMO the most likely explanation is that
That text might actually come from a "puff piece" that's referring to a serious study, but in which that "upbeat" close is just "feel-good" journalism.
Nothing unusual in that, but now I want to see the material from the study.
I don't like how some posters have a free pass to disrespect/vilify men who struggle romantically, yet if we so much as cite a study that shows male autists are far more likely than female autists to be single, we're viewed as pot-stirrers trying to start a contest of who has it worse.

Umm, pointing out a true fact (backed up by studies) isn't "pot-stirring." If anything, an example of pot-stirring would be the falsehoods that get spread on here about struggling men.

We get called entitled, we get called incels, and (on this very thread) a critic said no one wants to date us.

First of all, incel is one of the worst words you could call anyone. In many circles, the term incel is used as a synonym for domestic terrorist. In other words, anyone who calls us incels is basically calling us terrorists.

It's frowned upon (and rightly so) to stereotype all Muslims as terrorists just because some Muslims have committed terrorism. It should also be frowned upon to view all men who struggle romantically as terrorists just because some men who struggled romantically committed terrorism.

As for the entitlement claim? I'd never want a totally uninterested woman to be forced into being with me. I'm pretty sure the same is true of all the "incels" on here. The idea that men who are upset over our romantic struggles want an uninterested woman to get forced into being with us is the biggest falsehood ever.

Which brings me to my next point: It's incorrect to say no woman wants to date me.

There have been multiple instances through the years where I found out through the grapevine a female coworker was into me. I never did an askout on any of these female coworkers though (because I'm simply not cut out to make the first move, even if I already know the woman is into me). That's the core reason I struggle romantically: The fact I'm not cut out to make the first move.

The sheer amount of attention I've gotten from gay guys goes to show how well I can do under circumstances where I'm not expected to make the first move. If only I was gay, all my romantic struggles would be solved.
 
Was that Greek population primarily in Melbourne? Just wondering....
I think the great majority of them went to Melbourne but they spread across the whole country. Adelaide had a bigger Italian population than Greek. Melbourne back in those days also had the largest population of Orthodox Jews in the world. A lot of people from Middle Eastern countries like Egypt and Lebanon seemed to prefer Sydney.
 
I don't like how some posters have a free pass to disrespect/vilify men who struggle romantically, yet if we so much as cite a study that shows male autists are far more likely than female autists to be single, we're viewed as pot-stirrers trying to start a contest of who has it worse.
Autistics struggling to pair up is real, but the Incel mantra is not a productive solution. Neuro-diverse people need to approach courting differently than NTs do. We do not have the same sensibilities. And if you refuse to recognize that, you will keep failing.
 
Being different got me my wife, women have left notes in my locker in high school phoned me at home without telling me who they were, passed note to me in college in class, tried picking me up in bus shelter, asked if I wanted to share hot dog while chilling on bench in park, blatantly tried flirting with me in sales department where I took brakes to observe them in action. Yes we are different, do not act like NT's.
 
So I found the Pew Research Study

It's from 2014, and the participants were all American.

However, while trying to find it, I'm seeing that there have been recent FB/Instagram posts just using the article as a tagline. No study link. Crappy AI image.

I just wanted to take a moment to remind people not to take things online at face value. These accounts are not posting for educational purposes or news. It's engagement bait. It's using a tagline to grab you and make you react so that they earn money/clout/popularity. Always take what you see on social media with a grain of salt, and do your research. I know for us it can be harder to decipher, but please be vigilant.

Record Share of Americans Have Never Married
 

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