Why is a "cure" so controversial?

[Crossbreed]

I think a more useful line of thought would be what separates the HFAs from the LFAs.

If the regressive component is due to a separate CNS injury, it isn't curable, either, but may well be preventable (before the fact). And a CNS injury need not be limited to a cognitive deficit.

It could disrupt:

• speech,
• sensory capacities,
  
• physical coordination, or
• rarely, the left temporal lobe, granting savant skills (to name a few).

 

[Nitro]

I think a more useful line of thought would be what separates the HFAs from the LFAs.

If you could help someone low functioning become more high functioning, that would do everyone a lot more good.

Where do you propose they draw the line?
My observation over my time spent here shows that there are many flavors of what is considered both higher and lower functioning.

 

[Mathalamus]

Where do you propose they draw the line?
My observation over my time spent here shows that there are many flavors of what is considered both higher and lower functioning.

i would draw the line between capable and incapable of living alone, without support. (being unwilling doesn't count.)

 

[Nitro]

i would draw the line between capable and incapable of living alone, without support. (being unwilling doesn't count.)

So which side of that line would you be on?

 

[Mathalamus]

So which side of that line would you be on?

Capable, but unwilling.

 

[Crossbreed]

Where do you propose they draw the line?

If LFA is caused by a separate, post-natal CNS injury, we can compare their standing to an NT who incurs a CNS injury.

Suppose NT boy, Jimmy, is sitting in the front passenger seat of his parent's car without a seat belt during a collision. His face slams against the dashboard, injuring him.

The possible outcomes are:

1. He dies,
2. He sustains a permanent injury (in one of the above ways) and never improves,
3. He slowly improves, but only makes a partial recovery, or
4. He slowly improves and makes (what appears to be) a full recovery.

To an untrained eye, conditions 2-4 appear to be a spectrum. To mimic your question, at what point is he considered to be cured?

The best choices would be to

• sit in the back seat,
• wear the seat belt and
• not get into the crash in the first place,

but the first two precautions will improve his outcome, if an unforeseen crash occurs.

And Jimmy was a boy before the crash and, living, continued to be a boy afterwards (just as we were born into uninjured autism). Taking safety precautions for either one is neither anti-male nor anti-autistic.

(Obviously, one can substitute girl/Jaime/female and make the same point.)

 

[Nitro]

Capable, but unwilling.

Ok,if that is the case,who gets to make that determination without violating the civil rights of individuals?

 

[Mathalamus]

Ok,if that is the case,who gets to make that determination without violating the civil rights of individuals?

usually, its the person themselves who decide if they are incapable, or capable, or just unwilling.

 

[Crossbreed]

So which side of that line would you be on?

That is a little more complicated in this economy. I can do work. If I can find someone willing to hire me. I can be appropriately responsible with my finances. But in a buyer's [job] market, something as inconsequential as a stutter can bomb an interview. I'm beginning to suspect that racism and ablism may not be the issues for not getting hired, but rather it is based on "ease of communication."

 

[Nitro]

If LFA is caused by a separate, post-natal CNS injury, we can compare their standing to an NT who incurs a CNS injury.

Suppose NT boy, Jimmy, is sitting in the front passenger seat of his parent's car without a seat belt during a collision. His face slams against the dashboard, injuring him.

The possible outcomes are:

1. He dies,
2. He sustains a permanent injury (in one of the above ways) and never improves,
3. He slowly improves, but only makes a partial recovery, or
4. He slowly improves and makes (what appears to be) a full recovery.

To an untrained eye, conditions 2-4 appear to be a spectrum. To mimic your question, at what point is he considered to be cured?

The best choices would be to

• sit in the back seat,
• wear the seat belt and
• not get into the crash in the first place,

but the first two precautions will improve his outcome, if an unforeseen crash occurs.

And Jimmy was a boy before the crash and, living, continued to be a boy afterwards (just as we were born into uninjured autism). Taking safety precautions for either one is neither anti-male nor anti-autistic.

(Obviously, one can substitute girl/Jaime/female and make the same point.)

You lost me on the injured /uninjured autism. Care to explain more so I get a better understanding?

 

[Nitro]

usually, its the person themselves who decide if they are incapable, or capable, or just unwilling.

And what happens when they go outside of usually?

 

[Mathalamus]

And what happens when they go outside of usually?

that would imply that someone else had to decide for the person. a parent, or other caretaker. if you needed someone else to decide for you, you are either incapable, or unable to leave, for reasons.

 

[Crossbreed]

You lost me on the injured /uninjured autism. Care to explain more so I get a better understanding?

Autism is characterized by a lack of sociological instinct. If one has no other physiological (including neuro-physiological) issues beyond that, they have no signs of injury on-top-of their autism.

Like @WereBear suggested, I believe that if an LFA had successfully avoided (or completely recovered from) an early CNS injury, they would still be Aspies/HFA. (There is no cure available after-the-fact [for such a CNS injury].)

 

[Nitro]

that would imply that someone else had to decide for the person. a parent, or other caretaker. if you needed someone else to decide for you, you are either incapable, or unable to leave, for reasons.

That makes so little sense to me that I am astonished that you would feel it is a viable option.
Any child regardless of neurology is incapable of caring for themselves or making rational life changing decisions,do you propose an age requirement too?

 

[Mathalamus]

That makes so little sense to me that I am astonished that you would feel it is a viable option.
Any child regardless of neurology is incapable of caring for themselves or making rational life changing decisions,do you propose an age requirement too?

i wasnt talking about children, nor did i ever mention children at all in any case. i am astonished that you would think that i am talking about something that isn't being talked about.

io was talking about adults, and only adults being capable or incapable, or able to even move out. or willing to.

(also, you are still wrong, a child is capable of caring for themselves, and they can make life changing decisions. i did both while i was a child.)

 

[Nitro]

"If LFA is caused by a separate, post-natal CNS injury, we can compare their standing to an NT who incurs a CNS injury."

The if part is what I don't understand.

From what I understand,there is no proof positive of a cause,only assumptions from observation,with a majority convinced that it is passed thru the gene pool

i wasnt talking about children, nor did i ever mention children at all in any case. i am astonished that you would think that i am talking about something that isn't being talked about.

io was talking about adults, and only adults being capable or incapable, or able to even move out. or willing to.

(also, you are still wrong, a child is capable of caring for themselves, and they can make life changing decisions. i did both while i was a child.)

I don't remember this topic as being an adult only discussion,so forgive me for assuming it was.
Maybe you should take a step rearwards and review the material as well.

Oh really,so you would trust a toddler to determine if they did or didn't require a life saving surgical procedure or operate a stove to cook a meal then.

 

[Crossbreed]

From what I understand,there is no proof positive of a cause,only assumptions from observation,with a majority convinced that it is passed thru the gene pool.

That is true for the shared "lack of social instinct" part but not necessarily for those additional features that mimic CNS injury.

 

[Mathalamus]

Oh really,so you would trust a toddler to determine if they did or didn't require a life saving surgical procedure or operate a stove to cook a meal then.

not that young. id say, generally, from the age of 12 or so, children are capable of making some choices for themselves. they get more choices as they grow up and become an adult at 18.

 

[Nitro]

not that young. id say, generally, from the age of 12 or so, children are capable of making some choices for themselves. they get more choices as they grow up and become an adult at 18.

I ask a lot of questions because I require clarity in my conversations in order to make decisions based on facts,not assumptions,so like yourself,you were wrong to assume that I understood what you were thinking

 

[Mathalamus]

I ask a lot of questions because I require clarity in my conversations in order to make decisions based on facts,not assumptions,so like yourself,you were wrong to assume that I understood what you were thinking

i generally operate under the assumption that people are intelligent enough to know what i am saying. the clarification is only done if needed.