Why autism is different from narcissism

[Dagan]

I feel like the ultimate joke answer to the question would be... "because I said so."

 

[Vindiesel]

I feel like the ultimate joke answer to the question would be... "because I said so."

Or Christ compels you

 

[All-Rounder]

I read we share something with sociopaths, the lack of automatic social emotion or interaction scanning, so we practically do it by putting our active brain to work around it. And childhood trauma potentially.

To little to have in common though.

 

[All-Rounder]

I don't seem to be.
I don't chase every modicum of "bliss" when I see it.
I am amused that simple chemical reactions in the brain are so important to some ppl.

I've never felt the need to try illicit drugs, for example.
I prefer emotional stability to the rollercoaster trip involving chemical substances, be they man-made or natural.

Yes, I know I am rather odd.

My special interests are the rewards I seek for the pleasure they bring. There is too much pain in the world to not engorge into pleasure every chance I get. But pleasure to me does not harm another.

Psychologists have heated debates about true altruism as actually existing, it is said to be a myth in pure form. We're so human / animalistic.

Like I say we have evolved to be more beastly than beast, in many ways. and so there is an endless quest to become more like an animal, innocent and lacking judgement.

 

[All-Rounder]

I don't seem to be.
I don't chase every modicum of "bliss" when I see it.
I am amused that simple chemical reactions in the brain are so important to some ppl.

I've never felt the need to try illicit drugs, for example.
I prefer emotional stability to the rollercoaster trip involving chemical substances, be they man-made or natural.

Yes, I know I am rather odd.

What I did when I got an interest in experiencing drugs after studying them for a while was research and ask what happened to others so that I can get an idea. Turned out to be a safe, lifesaving and fun experience.

I consider myself lucky to not be influenced to do those things, smoke, drink by even seeing my friends do it.

However craving food is another story. Damnation and blasts, carbs and sugar, spice and poison making my cravings go up. Non illicit drugs, you get the munchies like you've been eating pot.

 

[All-Rounder]

I don't want to scare anybody but if I pull up my list of autistic people I dated and the data collected from autistic people talking about autistic people as I have also experienced on websites, it points to if we're bad we're the worst, unfortunately.

To quote a respected fellow "autistic people are the worst people I've met."

Many ppls dreams were squashed since when we joined the autism community. Rip.

The facts about relationships is that a lot of autistic people don't like physicality and affection. I'm the complete opposite, even though autistic however in real life and not, physicality can be really hard to me depending, areas of life, timing, modus, etc. It's draining. Autism be to blame.

Then most people be like 'you have a scheme on how hugs have to happen?' yep. Unfortunately I'm very stuck in my schemes.

I have read people suggest autistic people to date managers. I was like, the hell is happening. Not on my watch you're dating each other. I'm manager type based on testings so I know. Many autistics will not handle the amount of affection needed to maintain a rship with a manager which will cause all of the worst issues and destroy the relationship. Managers have the highest empathy in a business, depending on a personality, they might be asking for trouble by dating such a person. Big mistake, time lost.

 

[Vindiesel]

I don't want to scare anybody but if I pull up my list of autistic people I dated and the data collected from autistic people talking about autistic people as I have also experienced on websites, it points to if we're bad we're the worst, unfortunately.

To quote a respected fellow "autistic people are the worst people I've met."

Many ppls dreams were squashed since when we joined the autism community. Rip.

The facts about relationships is that a lot of autistic people don't like physicality and affection. I'm the complete opposite, even though autistic however in real life and not, physicality can be really hard to me depending, areas of life, timing, modus, etc. It's draining. Autism be to blame.

Then most people be like 'you have a scheme on how hugs have to happen?' yep. Unfortunately I'm very stuck in my schemes.

I have read people suggest autistic people to date managers. I was like, the hell is happening. Not on my watch you're dating each other. I'm manager type based on testings so I know. Many autistics will not handle the amount of affection needed to maintain a rship with a manager which will cause all of the worst issues and destroy the relationship. Managers have the highest empathy in a business, depending on a personality, they might be asking for trouble by dating such a person. Big mistake, time lost.

I would would add or clarify well at-least In my regard I have minimal to no emotional reciprocity/affirming with my partners. I have had to condition myself to tell them I love them...because if Im with you I see no point in constantly clarifying the obvious like beauty, public display of affection and saying I love you all the time. I do understand they need that.

The managers an empathy bit you spoke about I would clarify that as well and say they have the highest cognitive empathy in the business. Emotional empathy can be faked to a degree and conditioned based off probable outcomes and patterns. Emotions get in the way of business and to making concrete decisions that affects peoples livelihoods. You are the master at emotional minesweeper but understand sometimes the bomb needs erupted to get the person under-control or alleviate tension. I was in management for 3-4 years and I liked it but I had to start objectifying people as tools instead of humans to get what needed done for the companies bottom line and to protect myself. I was able to do this with a smooth transition and was able to alleviate any animosity with telling them the why/how. Those few years really increased my introspection, confidence and people skills.

 

[All-Rounder]

I would would add or clarify well at-least In my regard I have minimal to no emotional reciprocity/affirming with my partners. I have had to condition myself to tell them I love them...because if Im with you I see no point in constantly clarifying the obvious like beauty, public display of affection and saying I love you all the time. I do understand they need that.

The managers an empathy bit you spoke about I would clarify that as well and say they have the highest cognitive empathy in the business. Emotional empathy can be faked to a degree and conditioned based off probable outcomes and patterns. Emotions get in the way of business and to making concrete decisions that affects peoples livelihoods. You are the master at emotional minesweeper but understand sometimes the bomb needs erupted to get the person under-control or alleviate tension. I was in management for 3-4 years and I liked it but I had to start objectifying people as tools instead of humans to get what needed done for the companies bottom line and to protect myself. I was able to do this with a smooth transition and was able to alleviate any animosity with telling them the why/how. Those few years really increased my introspection, confidence and people skills.

To me it comes instinctive, like a cat grooming itself for example, the reciprocity of shared emotions and affection, comes with the need and the decrease of the meter, or as I'm hyperfocusing on the person\moments. Dopamine high gets me into such a mood, the brain is full of emotions, hormones, and whatever else that brings about thoughts, desires, necessities and a high irritation if I'm interrupted from the mindset.

However physicality can also drain my meter which is tricky to work around even for me.

Until my meter is leveled enough I won't even be able to partake in most activities because they are draining and stressful.

I would say none of the people who were trying instead of naturally doing, were satisfactory enough in terms of meter fulfillment, really severe on that scale and because it wasn't natural they started to hate it, as it would be hard work for autistic people as it is wearing a mask. My dissatisfaction with the lack of having the real thing, the reciprocation I desired, didn't help, it's not very useful to me that someone is working for me so to say instead of experiencing what I experience, with me. I have finally found a match, on the spectrum, though most people are more different than me. And very emotionally edgy, autism makes emotions deeper.

People seem to have an issue with feeling connected to forums, I have none but I do experience it in romantic relationships. I wasn't aware of what it was for the longest time, but it must be the same thing they experienced, in a different area of my life.

 

[All-Rounder]

Excellent video.

She talks about empathy deficits in both those who are autistic and narcissistic.
Autistic ppl engage in "straightforwardness".
Those on the spectrum tend not to embrace "Novelty seeking", whereas narcissists do.
Narcissists are into reward-seeking.
Autistic ppl are open to new intellectual experiences but not that much to emotional experiences.

Apparently, I seem to be a very typical/traditional autistic person.
But I already knew that.

My traditional autistic <3

I'm not interested in novelty either, boring lets me recover and relax like a true autistic person. Im the last to get bored or angry, typically.

People don't settle down they seem to have energy tied to their hind sides, it's so stressful they never lay down and relax. Perhaps a benefit in a world where energy helps you do everything. But to me they're energy vampires and I can't keep up.

 

[Jonn]

My traditional autistic <3

I'm not interested in novelty either, boring lets me recover and relax like a true autistic person. Im the last to get bored or angry, typically.

People don't settle down they seem to have energy tied to their hind sides, it's so stressful they never lay down and relax. Perhaps a benefit in a world where energy helps you do everything. But to me they're energy vampires and I can't keep up.

"Traditionally", autistics are known for desiring consistency rather than novelty. (Executive dysfunction has something to do with that).
I am one of "those".

I never get bored, either.
And I embrace emotional stability rather than continuous excitement.
As a "True" autistic, a new environment or concept throws me into confusion, and that (confusion) is something I "enthusiastically" try to avoid. (Pun intended).

And, yes, my dear, I am infused with caffeine this morning.