The "green movement" and it's affect on ASD in the 2010's

[Hurting89]

The green movement is a collection of ideas and opinions put out by "natural health" people that has spread into public consciousness that modern disease is dietary and chemically induced and can be reversed by eating a certain way, taking vitamins, detoxing and using essential oils. blah-blah-blah. They are also well known for promoting a distrust of modern medicine.

I feel like now in the 2010's they have set us back about 50 years in terms of public awareness and understanding of autism because of their philosophy. It seemed like in the mid to late 2000's we were making more progress, Asperger's and other ASD's were beginning to be seen as a "neurotype" and all kinds of books and decent documentaries were being put out accurately explaining what an ASD is and how people live with it . But now it just feels so different.. Autism (once again) is being seen as a sickness induced by man made chemicals and food allergies. All the progress that was made I feel has been reversed, people are "less educated" on Autism more than ever now because of this pathetic movement and media. It feels like autism advocates have even retreated.

Maybe this is just all my imagination but it's how I feel.

 

[Southern Discomfort]

What I don't understand about these hippies is surely they know our ancestors didn't have that great of lives, they were getting ill all the time and in many cases had no treatment.

I like my artificial colourings, science has proved that if something is more colourful our brains interpret the taste more vividly. What's so good about eating crushed bug shells?

/rant

 

[Beverly]

I agree TO A POINT. Yes many of the so called "experts" in green living take it way too far with detoxing via chemical concoctions, all be that naturally occurring chemicals, it's still an high concentration of chemicals.

I do make an effort to avoid artificial hormones and artificial preservatives, those I agree are a small health risk and, there are natural means of preserving food that work just as well. I think artificial hormones do alter humans in small ways, like causing females who are raised on foods containing them to have larger breasts, setting off some hormone issues you might be predisposed to but, would never experience had you not eaten added hormones in your food, nothing major but still, I prefer to avoid them if possible.

Colors, I'm not as picky on, nor vitamins added to foods but, in avoiding the things I do avoid, I usually end up avoiding a lot of artificial colors and no food sourced vitamins as well.

Now GMO, that's another story, I refuse to eat or feed my animals that stuff and, I blame Monsanto for it and, what it can do to people but, I'm not going to get into that debate nor the debate over whether what GMO foods do is real or just conspiracy here.

 

[Hurting89]

I agree TO A POINT. Yes many of the so called "experts" in green living take it way too far with detoxing via chemical concoctions, all be that naturally occurring chemicals, it's still an high concentration of chemicals.

I do make an effort to avoid artificial hormones and artificial preservatives, those I agree are a small health risk and, there are natural means of preserving food that work just as well. I think artificial hormones do alter humans in small ways, like causing females who are raised on foods containing them to have larger breasts, setting off some hormone issues you might be predisposed to but, would never experience had you not eaten added hormones in your food, nothing major but still, I prefer to avoid them if possible.

Colors, I'm not as picky on, nor vitamins added to foods but, in avoiding the things I do avoid, I usually end up avoiding a lot of artificial colors and no food sourced vitamins as well.

Now GMO, that's another story, I refuse to eat or feed my animals that stuff and, I blame Monsanto for it and, what it can do to people but, I'm not going to get into that debate nor the debate over whether what GMO foods do is real or just conspiracy here.

Oh I was talking more about the societal opinion of autism and how it has changed because of them in this decade. I just feel like they've made us take many steps back..

off topic.. but The affect of diet on health is mostly in regards to obesity and inflammatory related illness (not the majority of illness, just those specific types). The obesity epidemic in the west (also rich parts of the middle east, they have a HUGE obesity issue in Kuwait) is mostly the result of people being told to cut out fat in favour of carbs. I wouldn't worry about the GMO's, they aren't making people fat and diabetic, it's the high fructose corn syrup in the bread, cereals and pastas ect. making people insulin resistant.

Another thing is a lot of these help types tell you to "cut out dairy" and replace it with almond joy (yuck). You don' need to do that to avoid IGF-1 (the insulin growth hormone in milk) a person could opt for raw unpasteurized milk and higher quality cheese and still lose a pound a day.

 

[ancusmitis]

I have ranted before about alternative medicine using autistics as a prop for their absurd rhetoric. Only, I wouldn't refer to altmed and natural health people as "greens." That makes me think of environmentalism and the Green Party. Though altmed does tend to crop up a lot among greens, but you see it among right-wingers as well. Michelle Bachman for example thinks vaccines are bad.

 

[Beverly]

I think it's an individual thing, yes my own daughter had a very bad reaction to her one and only diphtheria vaccine but, that doesn't mean the vaccine is inherently bad for everyone, just that she should be cautious when vaccinating any children she might have.

I do think too many "snake oil" treatments and "cures" have been used for ASD and, just about any other condition humans might have. Natural medicine has its place but so does modern medicine.

 

[246819733791]

I think it's an individual thing, yes my own daughter had a very bad reaction to her one and only diphtheria vaccine but, that doesn't mean the vaccine is inherently bad for everyone, just that she should be cautious when vaccinating any children she might have.

I do think too many "snake oil" treatments and "cures" have been used for ASD and, just about any other condition humans might have. Natural medicine has its place but so does modern medicine.

Sorry if I'm getting too pedantic and off-topic here, but I do not think that the distinction between "natural medicine" and "modern medicine" is a distinction worth making in this context. Almost all modern medicines were originally discovered in the wild, as "natural medicine", and people simply isolated the medicinal components to make them into "modern medicine". Any "natural cures" the actually work are enveloped and improved by modern, scientific medicine, while the ones that do not work are given a false sense of legitimacy by the alternative medicine movement.

 

[Meistersinger]

Another thing is a lot of these help types tell you to "cut out dairy" and replace it with almond joy (yuck). You don' need to do that to avoid IGF-1 (the insulin growth hormone in milk) a person could opt for raw unpasteurized milk and higher quality cheese and still lose a pound a day.

IF you can actually find raw milk that is reasonably priced. Here in PA, it next to impossible to find because both the Dept. of Health AND Dept. of Agriculture have strict standards that have to be met in order to sell the damn stuff. If you think unpasteurized cow's milk is hard to find, try finding goat's milk!!!!!!! The only place I know I can find it is one of my old accompanists, who has a farmstead that's been in his side of the family since colonial times. He has goats that he milks for his own use, since his cardiologist told him to eliminate cow's milk, due to all the butterfat that it contains.

 

[ancusmitis]

I'm sorry, but what is it with this trend of getting stuff that hasn't been pasteurized? Pasteurization doesn't do anything but kill the bacteria in it. Chemical fertilizers and hormones are one thing, modern sanitation is quite another.