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NTs Might Prefer to be a little Autistic

You are going to have to trust a guy that at one point in time was prescribed nearly every psychtropic medication known to man.
One day, against the advice of my professionals, I threw all of them away and for the first time, I finally started to gain new ground.

I'm not telling anyone to use marijuana, but at the same time, I'm not going to listen to rhetoric by some that don't.

Take a closer look at the poisons that are offered up by big pharma and the damages they do before you pass judgement on a natural source of possible comfort for many.
 
You are going to have to trust a guy that at one point in time was prescribed nearly every psychtropic medication known to man.
One day, against the advice of my professionals, I threw all of them away and for the first time, I finally started to gain new ground.

I'm not telling anyone to use marijuana, but at the same time, I'm not going to listen to rhetoric by some that don't.

Take a closer look at the poisons that are offered up by big pharma and the damages they do before you pass judgement on a natural source of possible comfort for many.

I dont think anyone's bashing it in quite the way you're talking about. Well, not that I can tell anyway, I'm not a master of social whatsits.

In my case, I dont like ANY meds/chemicals/whatever. I dont even drink... ever.

Oh, I have my stupid prescriptions and all, which I hate. I mean they dont seem to do much of anything, but I still hate them just on general principle. Doc says I gotta take them though, and the doc knows all the things I dont. Feh.

But the thing I do know... supported by the various medical professionals in the family... is that use of things like this, or pills of any sort, or whatever... brings dangers with it, when not supported by a real doctor that you've talked to in person. There is no exception, no matter how much someone may like X thing or how good they feel when using it or how beneficial they believe it to be. No. Exception. Even if it's "natural". I can think of more than a few natural things that'll basically poison you if you try to eat them. "Natural" does not instantly mean "good". I wish people would stop using that word in that way. Anyone familiar enough with nature in a general sense, anyone with a connection to it, knows it can be hideously dangerous. Things you consume from it sure as bloody heck aint an exception to that.

Always, and I mean ***ALWAYS*** talk to a doctor before trying ANYTHING like this. Period.

That's all I'm sayin'.
 
I dont think anyone's bashing it in quite the way you're talking about. Well, not that I can tell anyway, I'm not a master of social whatsits.

In my case, I dont like ANY meds/chemicals/whatever. I dont even drink... ever.

Oh, I have my stupid prescriptions and all, which I hate. I mean they dont seem to do much of anything, but I still hate them just on general principle. Doc says I gotta take them though, and the doc knows all the things I dont. Feh.

But the thing I do know... supported by the various medical professionals in the family... is that use of things like this, or pills of any sort, or whatever... brings dangers with it, when not supported by a real doctor that you've talked to in person. There is no exception, no matter how much someone may like X thing or how good they feel when using it or how beneficial they believe it to be. No. Exception. Even if it's "natural". I can think of more than a few natural things that'll basically poison you if you try to eat them. "Natural" does not instantly mean "good". I wish people would stop using that word in that way. Anyone familiar enough with nature in a general sense, anyone with a connection to it, knows it can be hideously dangerous. Things you consume from it sure as bloody heck aint an exception to that.

Always, and I mean ***ALWAYS*** talk to a doctor before trying ANYTHING like this. Period.

That's all I'm sayin'.

I think you took this too personal, mostly because you replied to me directly, but so be it.

Not all doctors are 100% spot on either.
They are humans who make judgement calls and often, mistakes when doing so.
I no longer trust very many medical professionals after extreme exposure to them, and I speak from a lot more experience that I would hope you or anyone else will never have to.
A brain specialist almost killed me with a very poor judgement call.
Good thing I didn't trust him, huh?
I have another couple of them I would gladly push down a flight of stairs with him.

I think you missed the point about MJ being natural.
Yes, nature has many poisons that one should avoid, but so does the chemistry lab.
MJ isn't a total unknown, as it has been in use for far longer that any pharmaceuticals.

Just sayin'
 
I don't mind random musings for the sake of entertainment, but, of course, it's entirely non-sensical. Ironically, it sounds like something one would think of while high.
 
I think you took this too personal, mostly because you replied to me directly, but so be it.

Not all doctors are 100% spot on either.
They are humans who make judgement calls and often, mistakes when doing so.
I no longer trust very many medical professionals after extreme exposure to them, and I speak from a lot more experience that I would hope you or anyone else will never have to.
A brain specialist almost killed me with a very poor judgement call.
Good thing I didn't trust him, huh?
I have another couple of them I would gladly push down a flight of stairs with him.

I think you missed the point about MJ being natural.
Yes, nature has many poisons that one should avoid, but so does the chemistry lab.
MJ isn't a total unknown, as it has been in use for far longer that any pharmaceuticals.

Just sayin'

Nah, no worries. It's super rare that I take anything personally really.

Much to my non-stop irritation though, the way I talk does rather often make me sound that way.

It's worse in person though. I cant tell you how many times I've gotten something like "what are you so bothered by?" when I'm actually in a good mood and just enjoying scenery or something, simply because we were having a conversation and some blasted thing I said got misconstrued yet again. Tonight I'm in a good mood after exploring some fractal stuff while being on this island. Aint no anger or agitation here. But yeah, it often just... doesnt come out that way when I talk.

One of the many hilarious ways in which the whole autism thing manifests for me.


Now that being said, as for the bit about the doctors specifically: Yes, you are right about that.

BUT. There's a piece of advice that so many will always give: "get a second opinion. And then a third". And THAT is why. Because sometimes... even a professional really is a doofus. Much like dealing with any product or business, if you want a good experience on your end, you MUST shop around. A lot. Even though the process might make you want to stab something. But also, you have to "detach" a bit. Allowing previous experiences to seep into the process destroys logic. Not just with this sort of thing, I mean. Even if you're doing something like, say, buying a new computer, you might find yourself sort of auto-adverse to things that, in reality, are quite good. But previous "conditioning" wont let you see that. Believe me on this one: I've been guilty of it OFTEN. I tend to, well, not deal very well with products/services that dont do what they're bloody well supposed to. It's hard to keep that aspect from sort of "infecting" further shopping experiences. Heck, right now, I'm angling for a new iPad to use for art, despite my UTTER LOATHING for Apple and the fact that my previous iPad is the tech equivalent of a gibbering madman. But dagnabit, I gotta force that out of my mind and look objectively, and right now, all evidence says that this product is what I need. Of course, there is still more research to be done, but it's looking like that'll be the buy.

Back to the docs though, I have doctors I definitely trust, but then, the process of meeting them was very detailed and carried out by someone who is distressingly good at being thorough. Not to mention a lot of experience. With both being on the spectrum, and my non-stop pain, well... yeah, a lot of doctor stuff. And physical therapy (which is the bit I'm TRULY thankful for).

What I tend not to trust is dentists. No, thank you, I dont want A FREAKING DRILL in my mouth. Or whatever other implements of torture they pull outta nowhere. Yes, I have a phobia, thank you.


I've forgotten where I was going with this. Mentally I'm still in fractal-land, it is rather distracting.
 
I don't know about all that, but I do know it helps me with anxiety, sleep (without nightmares), and depression. When I first started I didn't feel all that great. It took about 10 times to become comfortable with the effects. I haven't touched it in years, but if I could, I could quit all my prescribed meds I'm pretty sure.
 
I dont think anyone's bashing it in quite the way you're talking about. Well, not that I can tell anyway, I'm not a master of social whatsits.

In my case, I dont like ANY meds/chemicals/whatever. I dont even drink... ever.

Oh, I have my stupid prescriptions and all, which I hate. I mean they dont seem to do much of anything, but I still hate them just on general principle. Doc says I gotta take them though, and the doc knows all the things I dont. Feh.

But the thing I do know... supported by the various medical professionals in the family... is that use of things like this, or pills of any sort, or whatever... brings dangers with it, when not supported by a real doctor that you've talked to in person. There is no exception, no matter how much someone may like X thing or how good they feel when using it or how beneficial they believe it to be. No. Exception. Even if it's "natural". I can think of more than a few natural things that'll basically poison you if you try to eat them. "Natural" does not instantly mean "good". I wish people would stop using that word in that way. Anyone familiar enough with nature in a general sense, anyone with a connection to it, knows it can be hideously dangerous. Things you consume from it sure as bloody heck aint an exception to that.

Always, and I mean ***ALWAYS*** talk to a doctor before trying ANYTHING like this. Period.

That's all I'm sayin'.

I completly agree with misery. Drugs are not to be taken lightly, even natural remedies. I completly oppose casual drug use, no matter what kind of a drug we're talking about. Natural doesn't mean harmless. For some diseases you need chemical drugs, I know plenty of people who would have been long dead without modern medicine. However, I'm skeptical of psychotropic drugs, I've seen how they did more damage than good.

I've written both about the benefits and dangers of cannabis use, take everything with a grain of salt, there is no magic cure out there.

If you really want to use cannabis, try THC free. It is good for your health and non-addictive. Where I live it is being sold as food supplement (I'm not sure about other places).

Before you use it though, consult a doctor.
 
I live completly without drugs. I only ever used the THC free cannabis oil when I had insomnia due to anxiety and it has helped.

I never smoke, I rarely drink and at most a glass of wine on a special occassion.
 
I think you missed the point about MJ being natural.
Yes, nature has many poisons that one should avoid, but so does the chemistry lab.
MJ isn't a total unknown, as it has been in use for far longer that any pharmaceuticals.
Exactly. Cannabis is one of our oldest medicines, and it used to be freely available until it was made illegal for nefarious reasons. Just as alcohol was once prohibited in America, and look at the problems that caused.

So finally cannabis is being recognised as a legitimate medicine again, or just something people can choose to take. Just as they do with alcohol, which is far more damaging and causes far more trouble to people and a massive burden on the health service.

But there's a lot of fear and dis-information, and people think when they hear the word ‘drugs’… they should just say no! Cannabis is not heroin, crack cocaine, methamphetamine, or any of the other synthetic man-made nasties out there. It is something that has been used medicinally and recreationally for generations and will continue to do so. It is much better to be informed than be made to feel afraid.

I am a little disappointed that some people hold such negative views, especially those who have never used it. That is negating all those who really do receive benefit from it, get relief, and are genuinely helped by not having to use all those side-effect ridden pharmaceutical pills.
 
because misery loves company.
I'm not sure that's true, but I'm sure @Misery will probably tell us when she's here. ;)

Are you aware of those with epilepsy, especially kids, whose seizures are reduced dramatically, and no other medication helps? To see a kid who has 40 seizures a day have only one or two? This is not drug use, this is medicine.

If anyone has a problem with Cannabis or alcohol it is better they keep away from them. Mixing those things is a never a good idea anyway. But for those adults who can use things responsibly, and like to, it is something that not only works, but is a lot nicer and definitely safer than alcohol.

People are always going to want to relax and get high. We're just like that as humans. Adults should be free to make informed decisions. Fear-mongering never helps.
 
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I have to reach back to much younger days for that frame of reference. But I don't think it was anything like my normal autistic self. I remember artists thinking that it made them good painters. It didn't. It just made them swirl paint around and around in the same spot and go "Wow". Same basically with any activity and can make them seem more significant or insightful, etc, but its not. My brain function/capabilities definately decreased during those times and it took a good year after leaving it behind to get the brain back up to speed again. I have no doubt it has some medicinal and relaxation qualities (for some, for others it can have the opposite effect and make them paranoid etc.) but it is just like any other drug and has negative side effects as well.
 
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I have no doubt it has some medicinal and relaxation qualities (for some, for others it can have the opposite effect and make them paranoid etc.) but it is just like any other drug and has negative side effects as well.
Agreed. That's why under legalisation it is about being properly informed and making decisions as an adult about whether to use it. It is not for everyone.

Just as legal alcohol can be a devastating drug to both user and family, doesn't mean we should demonise it and vilify people for having a glass of wine with a meal. Many people die from alcohol and alcohol related issues every year. Not one recorded death from Cannabis.

I'm sorry for anyone who feels they've had issues with Cannabis. It is easier to blame the plant than accept responsibility for its use.
 
Agreed. That's why under legalisation it is about being properly informed and making decisions as an adult about whether to use it. It is not for everyone.

Just as legal alcohol can be a devastating drug to both user and family, doesn't mean we should demonise it and vilify people for having a glass of wine with a meal. Many people die from alcohol and alcohol related issues every year. Not one recorded death from Cannabis.

I'm sorry for anyone who feels they've had issues with Cannabis. It is easier to blame the plant than accept responsibility for its use.

As legalization has become accepted and spreads I believe there has also been a kind of mania of theories and claims made about it. But personal testimonies on results are really just uncontrolled experiments and many other factors could be a play. One really does have to wait till the science can catch up and the true properties and potenials revealed. And that is not the matter of single studies, but multiple ones from different researchers that show the results can be repeated, because even the best intended studies can have unforeseen flaws. As an analogy for caution, much has been said for years about the benefits of Cod Liver Oil. But a recent professional study could not find a single proveable benefit. No decreased heart disease, no longer lifespan, no anything. Now that has to be verified, but you see the point. Just because one person says something or maybe even many people say something does not necessarily mean it is true.
 
As legalization has become accepted and spreads I believe there has also been a kind of mania of theories and claims made about it. But personal testimonies on results are really just uncontrolled experiments and many other factors could be a play. One really does have to wait till the science can catch up and the true properties and potenials revealed. And that is not the matter of single studies, but multiple ones from different researchers that show the results can be repeated, because even the best intended studies can have unforeseen flaws. As an analogy for caution, much has been said for years about the benefits of Cod Liver Oil. But a recent professional study could not find a single proveable benefit. No decreased heart disease, no longer lifespan, no anything. Now that has to be verified, but you see the point. Just because one person says something or maybe even many people say something does not necessarily mean it is true.
True. Israel currently leads the world in Cannabis research. I like what they're doing there. But there are two quite distinct sides to all this.

The medical side has to be evidence based, proven, repeatable, and it is becoming realer as they learn more, but it will take time.

The individual user, whether self-medicating or recreational, does not. It is a choice. A preference. A decision that may have positive or negative consequences, but that is ok. That is life. I could cross a road a little absentmindedly and be hit by a bus. Life happens. What we mustn't get confused about is the journey of medical science over the right for adult humans to self determine their own way of doing things in this matter. They have done so for 1000's of years. I believe currently the earliest known use of Cannabis is 5000 years ago. They even found traces of it in one of Shakespeare's pipes, lol. That would explain a thing or two ;)

We don't have to make sure everyone is always protected from what we think could be bad for them. People climb dangerous mountains. Some don't come back. It's OK to do risky things.
 
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True. Israel currently leads the world in Cannabis research. I like what they're doing there. But there are two quite distinct sides to all this.

The medical side has to be evidence based, proven, repeatable, and it is becoming realer as they learn more, but it will take time.

The individual user, whether self-medicating or recreational, does not. It is a choice. A preference. A decision that may have positive or negative consequences, but that is ok. That is life. I could cross a road a little absentmindedly and be hit by a bus. Life happens. What we mustn't get confused about is the journey of medical science over the right for adult humans to self determine their own way of doing things in this matter. They have done so for 1000's of years. I believe currently the earliest known use of Cannabis is 5000 years ago. They even found traces of it in one of Shakespeare's pipes, lol. That would explain a thing or two ;)

We don't have to make sure everyone is always protected from what we think could be bad for them. People climb dangerous mountains. Some don't come back. It's OK to do risky things.

Yes, I believe that is correct in this matter concerning choice. I don't want to tell people not to try it, but would caution them to be wise about it. It's not people experimenting with it to see if it helps them that bothers me, but when people make unsubstantiated claims (even well meaning) because to are in a sense promising something you don't trully know is true. And there is a snake oil saleman element at work, mainly looking at the potenial large profits. Also Professionally approved medications have to list the potential side effects, which sometimes are quite substantial. That is an area that need study as well.
 
I'm not sure that's true, but I'm sure @Misery will probably tell us when he's here. ;)

Are you aware of those with epilepsy, especially kids, whose seizures are reduced dramatically, and no other medication helps? To see a kid who has 40 seizures a day have only one or two? This is not drug use, this is medicine.

If anyone has a problem with Cannabis or alcohol it is better they keep away from them. Mixing those things is a never a good idea anyway. But for those adults who can use things responsibly, and like to, it is something that not only works, but is a lot nicer and definitely safer than alcohol.

People are always going to want to relax and get high. We're just like that as humans. Adults should be free to make informed decisions. Fear-mongering never helps.

You have to make a difference between medical cannabis, the special, THC free breed that is non-addictive and

and regular cannabis. A child with epilepsy will get medical cannabis.
 
You have to make a difference between medical cannabis, the special, THC free breed that is non-addictive and

and regular cannabis. A child with epilepsy will get medical cannabis.
That is incorrect. The child also needs the whole plant and gets it. Watch the video I posted.
 
Yes, I believe that is correct in this matter concerning choice. I don't want to tell people not to try it, but would caution them to be wise about it.
We can caution all we want. Many will just use it how they want. Like I said, it isn't about ensuring that things don't happen. Nobody has to be wrapped in cotton wool. We have access to the internet and can research until our heart's content. Many things to learn. Then we can just go ahead and do what feels like we'd like to do. We are adults and free to make choices like that. We need to be treated as adults and not constantly told what we can and cannot do because of fear. There will never be a 'one size fits all' solution.
Professionally approved medications have to list the potential side effects, which sometimes are quite substantial. That is an area that need study as well.
All is being studied.
 

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