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Featured NTs Might Prefer to be a little Autistic

Discussion in 'General Autism Discussion' started by SimonSays, Mar 27, 2021.

  1. SimonSays

    SimonSays A work in progress

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    Okay, that does seem like a strange thing to say.

    I have a theory that when an NT uses cannabis, especially for the first time, and likes it, what they're feeling is that this is how they prefer to be. They are actually inducing a temporary experience of autism.

    In my observations of people on cannabis, including myself, I have come to realise that in an intentional altered state, so I don't mean going out to a club or drinking with mates and having a good time, I'm mean someone using cannabis to feel better, more balanced, at peace, experience creativity. To be what we call ‘high’ is realer than not being.

    Some say autism is a disability, and obviously there are levels of autism that seem incongruous with living in the regular world easily. They are in their own reality, which could equate to taking a big dose of edible cannabis and literally not being able to function in the world, which feels very different to normal life. They don’t have to get used to the strangeness, which is the experience the autistic has to. A world that focuses on left brain things, often negative things, sensorially challenging, making it incredibly difficult for someone who is neurologically different to handle. Just as it is difficult for those who are very high from cannabis to handle things the way they are used to. They have no way to compensate for this difference except do their best to experience it, hopefully enjoy it and then eventually return to normal, and the world feels familiar and makes sense again.

    This may seem like a strange theory, especially for those who never use cannabis as they have no real point of reference. But I suggest many of those we call NT are actually living in a deficit, something is missing, which is why the world is the way it is, and why Cannabis helps balance them.

    So for those millions of NT’s who enjoy cannabis, who’ve realised that it sort of fills a hole they didn't know they had, where many use it constantly, in many cultures, some religious practices (the Sadhus in India and the Rastafarians in Jamaica), prefer who they are when they do. Life feels better and more meaningful.

    For those NT’s who find cannabis makes a positive difference in their life, they are essentially bringing themselves to what we would know as autistic, which is actually more ‘normal’, and they're now feeling far more normal than they were before they took it.
     
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    Simon: I'm NT. When I used to smoke pot, it made me stupid, lazy, paranoid, and hungry. If you think the experience of an NT smoking pot is the equivalent of a "temporary experience of autism", then that is a sad condemnation of people with autism.
     
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  3. SimonSays

    SimonSays A work in progress

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    I'm saying it can be. It is a theory not a statement of fact. I said that at the beginning didn't I?
    doesn't sound like a very positive experience. I said...
    Which is therefore not you is it?
     
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    OkRad μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος οὐλομένην V.I.P Member

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    I wish I had some. It would help. But my country prefers we suffer and have to be made a commodity for THEIR "help" which is useless.

    As to NTs wanting to be us? I doubt it. People seem to like who they are, autie or NTs.
     
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    SimonSays A work in progress

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    I wish you did too. You have a right to consume what you feel helps you feel better. No authority has a right to stop that.
    I agree, not consciously wanting to, subconsciously looking to without even realising it. I'd not thought this before either, but I was out walking and it seemed to make sense so wanted to see what people thought of it.
     
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    From what I've heard from those few I know who have used it, it doesnt really have anything to do with that. It's more about dulling/distracting their senses/minds from their problems. The same reason why so many use alcohol. Regardless of the effects, many just use it as an escape. Not something I'll ever understand, but whatever.

    Considering the general "intensity" of what I guess you could call the "autistic experience" (or at least what I know it to be), a better analogy to me wouldnt be using that stuff, but instead absorbing some absurd amount of caffeine. Instead of dulling or calming, that stuff is going to make you nervous and agitated if you get enough of it (well, it doesnt take all that much). "Nervous and agitated" to me sounds a lot more autism-ish. Not to mention senses being all heightened and hyper in a really twitchy sort of way.
     
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  7. SimonSays

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    Well, let me help you to maybe understand from my own experience.
    It is definitely not a dulling or distracting experience, and nothing like alcohol. It is something many creatives use, many musicians, artists, and writers, as it can open the doors of creativity wide. Not as wide as the psychedelic can, but then that isn't always something one can express to others, at least not at the time.

    It was quite an 'out there' theory. Not gonna be easy to get from an aspie perspective, and few NTs here who use it that way (and some who didn't find it useful at all). Maybe it's just me who sees it. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
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    Heightened, yes, hyper, can be, with the right strain (there are hundreds, with different combinations of cannabinoids, and each can have quite a different effect on the user). It can sometimes induce a feeling of ADHD too, or heighten what is already there, and that for me isn't a negative, as to me, it is a freedom to only focus on what matters, and not have to stay focussed on what doesn't. Then, even more creativity can come from flowing into another idea that way and then joining them together into something else. I don't think I'm like most others though.
     
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    - Touché. ;)
     
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    Some cannabis strains can do that...the pure Indica especially. These are good for pain and give what people call a body high. Whereas the high THC Sativa strains are uplifting. They are used for creativity and entheogenic practices. No extreme sleepiness there ;)
     
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    It's probably one of those things that cant really be described properly. Unless the other has already experienced whatever it is for themselves, it cannot be explained to them. There's no way for it to make sense to me... it will always go over my own head no matter what. Which is probably for the best. Some things, I dont really want to grasp.

    That being said, as per the original topic, I cant imagine any NT actually wanting to be autistic, whatever that means. Not if they learned anything about the condition. And that's just me... I'm not on the particularly bad side of it. There are many on the spectrum who have far more trouble than I do, that's for sure...
     
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  12. SimonSays

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    Me neither.

    As I said to OkRad...
    Not the extremes of Autism. I did say this in the OP.
     
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    That theory of yours has to be the most entertaining thing I've seen on this site.
     
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    With stuff related to the autistic spectrum though, there's an extremely wide variety of opinions and ideas and experiences. A lot of theories out there, related to many different aspects.

    Personally I dont really think there are any that are more or less valid than others. The subject is simply too big, subjective, and confusing.
     
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    I never forget the horrifying account of the man who died from cancer of the jaw after smoking marijuana for 25 years
     
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    Care to share the source?
     
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    A comment for others reading this thread. Cannabis is used in religious practice. However, it is important to note that this use is not recreational, but part of practice, which is supported by a "teacher" and "teachings." It is not simply recreation pot use. Bob Marley famously did not use cannabis recreationally. Note, cannabis is addictive, and oddly enough, those that use it because of their religion show lower rates of addiction.

    As far as the link between cannabis and creativity, there simply is no evidence that it will make you more creative: Cannabis and creativity: highly potent cannabis impairs divergent thinking in regular cannabis users While someone might "feel" more creative, just like alcohol can make you "feel" more charming, that is not the same as being creative or charming.

    I would be very careful starting to use drugs based on this thread. Like with many drugs, cannabis can present downsides, one of which can be addition. There are also legal consequences.

    Back to regular programming...
     
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    Not to mention drug interaction. That's a particular danger that I dont think a lot of people think about with stuff like this. I mean, seriously: if someone wants to try this sort of thing (and is in a place where it's legal to do so), DEFINITELY ask your doctor first. Like any pharmaceutical drug, it's a bloody horrid idea to just try something on your own.

    Even if you're not on prescriptions of any sort... ask anyway. There could be an element you're not aware of (in terms of your current physical state) that could present a conflict.

    Aye, this is another element I keep wanting to point out. Stuff like this really does have this aspect.

    I know a couple of people... family members, my mother and stepfather to be precise... who would drink a bunch. They thought they were fine, that it helped them mellow out and mix better with others, and the usual things that people think alcohol will do to them. They were CERTAIN of this.

    Thing is, when you're too close to something, it's hard to see that something for what it REALLY is. What it ACTUALLY did to them was make them into embarassing, rambling fools. Uncoordinated, klutzy, shambling, nonsensical... all those things.

    Eventually my patience finally snapped, and I ended the problem by outright shrieking at them about it while we were all in the driveway (AKA, specifically so that ALL the neighbors could hear). The issue was brought to a very sudden halt, and they havent done it since. Fortunately, I can be darned persuasive sometimes. And surprise surprise, they're so much better to hang out with. Except for the whole "obsessed with politics" thing. I keep thinking it's time for another "intervention". I wish I was joking about that.

    It aint just alcohol or drugs or whatever that all this can happen with. Lots of different issues... if you're too close, it's hard to see the forest for the trees, as they say. And it's the sort of lesson that you hope not to learn the hard way.

    Of course, if someone is purely doing whatever in the privacy of their own home... much less of an issue, as there's nobody around to irritate.
     
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    A warning to you all:
    While cannabis has substances that greatly benefit chronically ill people it shouldn't be taken for fun. It still is a drug. Many people start with this drug.
    Medical cannabis is non-addictive (<0,3% THC).

    It is being used for following conditions:
    • Alzheimer's disease
    • Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)
    • HIV/AIDS
    • Cancer
    • Crohn's disease
    • Epilepsy and seizures
    • Glaucoma
    • Multiple sclerosis and muscle spasms
    • Severe and chronic pain
    • Severe nausea
    Side effects of cannabis
    • Increased heart rate
    • Dizziness
    • Impaired concentration and memory
    • Slower reaction times
    • Negative drug-to-drug interactions
    • Increased risk of heart attack and stroke
    • Increased appetite
    • Potential for addiction
    • Cyclic vomiting syndrome
    • Hallucinations or mental illness
    • Withdrawal symptoms
    What is interesting is that it can also slow down growth of body cells and stop cancer from spreading (and might even prevent cancer to a certain degree). Unfortunately, in young cannabis users the brain development and growth spurts can be halted. So if you need to take cannabis do it as an adult.
    If you want only the health benefit without the more severe side effects, take THC free cannabis oil. It works miracles against anxiety and will help you sleep. You should take it before bed.

    Sources of information:

    What you can expect from medical marijuana
    MARIJUANA CAN SLOW AND STOP CANCER CELLS FROM SPREADING
     
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