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Lonely, lonely, lonely

Yes, for me it's more of a trapped feeling...but kind of the same way that one might feel trapped in a great, open expanse. Imagine being stranded at sea, floating in a lifeboat, and the massive space around you closes in on you to where you literally feel trapped by nothingness.

Sometimes my own thoughts are comforting...just the ideas that grab my attention and I go exploring. But it's just ideas. Today...I felt like I had a great insight into what has kept me trapped, and I wrote about it, and sent it to my therapist. I know he doesn't normally respond to emails, just reads them for us to talk about later, so I didn't really expect a response. But I wanted one. I wanted so badly for him just to say...yes, that makes sense, we can work with that, I understand you better now, this will help us in our work. And he might say it at our next session. But the moment will be gone. The window of opportunity for connection...collapsed. I've tried before to keep it open for times like that, and it doesn't work. As I listened today for connection in my revelation, all I heard was my own echo.



What people offer...doesn't work for me. For example, the five love languages: touch, words of affirmation, quality time, gifts, acts of service.

Touch...is painful. Sensory overload. Can't handle it. Sometimes I can tolerate it, but there's no connection in it for me...just data to be processed. And sometimes it's very painful data...flashbacks.
Words...are too superficial, too shallow. I don't believe them.
Time...is demanding. To spend time with someone else, means I can't be alone. I know that sounds counter-productive: to annihilate loneliness, spend time with someone. But when I'm with someone, I'm not me. I'm mirroring them, creating the mask I think they want to see. I've tried not to do this, but it's terribly difficult. Working on it, still.
Gifts...what I want can't be bought. Materialistic things...stuff...it just doesn't resonate at the level where this desperation dominates my life.
Acts of service...this comes the closest. My hubby works very hard to take good care of me and the kids. I truly appreciate all that he does. But...I want to connect with him, not take advantage of him. Not sure if that makes sense.

People offer the usual forms of support: a hug (major sensory overload), encouragement (i.e., mostly platitudes), a "shoulder to cry on." If I could cry, that might be useful, but I can't. It sounds so whiny for me to list things people try, and then explain why it doesn't work. Why can't I just be grateful that they care enough to try??? But it doesn't work. It doesn't. It just doesn't. What they do...it invades, it overloads, it hurts.

I feel the most lonely when I'm around people. It's not a fear of rejection, exactly, or the need to be liked. I used to think it was those things, but it's not. In my heart, I give people the freedom to choose to be with me or not, without being bitter towards them if they decide they'd rather spend time with someone else. 'Cause I totally understand how other people would be more enjoyable than me. There are only a few people where I so much want them to like me...most people, it doesn't really matter to me. They can make their own decision on that, and if they like me, that's great, if not, no big deal. But even those few who I really, really want to be friends with them...even when they say they like me and want to have me around...it's not real for me. I don't know how else to explain it. I'm just not there.

Nothing connects the inner world with the outer world. They're in two separate dimensions. There is no crossing over, no bridging the abyss. I'm locked inside the great nothingness, like a black hole...where, if something were to "get in", it becomes nothing before it reaches me. It's neutralized upon entrance. I can recognize and acknowledge other people's efforts to connect, and even appreciate their efforts. But it doesn't actually connect. I'm suffocating in loneliness.

You are describing how I feel. I feel the same way with my husband; because he doesn't accept me for who I am, it means still the mask is on and then, he likes to mock me for taking things literally and also likes to compare: oh at least you can do such and such and it is sooooo tiring. YES. Lonliest in company and that is because no one cares enough to talk to us. Superficial caring. How about this one then.? My husband is on the phone to someone and was just about to say that I had my very first drive on the main road today, but the person said something else and so he did not continue and I felt like SCREAMING. WHY IS NO ONE INTERESTED IN ME? What is it about me, that people block their ears. Yet, guess what? WE ARE STARVING FOR FRIENDSHIPS AND COMPANIONSHIPS. Yes, again, hugging without real understanding is like patting on the head: there, there, things will get better. Instead, for our husbands to sit and say: teach me about aspergers; show me how to understand you?
 
...and you don't tell them about your lack of connection because that WOULD hurt them.

This...is one of the biggest barriers to being open with him on a deeper level. I don't want to hurt him any more than I already am. There's more I could say, but he occasionally reads my posts, and I don't want to go too far with it.

I'm fine with knowing and accepting that you can't fix some things. That's the easy part. What gets my goat is trying to figure out which things can't be fixed and which things I can work on. Nobody ever gives you instructions on that part.

Nailed it. The answer to that question would be INCREDIBLY helpful, right?


So...feeling better today, overall. Thanks for letting me vent. It was enough of a distraction from the tailspin to pull out of it and find a different place today. Like AsheSkyler said...I wish I knew if this disconnect from the world is something that can be fixed (and therefore worth the drama of hoping for connection), or if it's something I just have to learn to live with (stop hoping and move on). Sooo hard to know.

On a lighter note...one of my daughters, age 12, shows some AS traits (but probably not dx'able). Today she talked on the phone with a boy for the first time. The boy lives a couple of states away--his mom and I talked over FB for a while first so we would be a little more comfortable with the whole thing. Turns out he's an aspie, too...high functioning and very sweet. Knowing what I know now about AS...I'm not scared off by this kid having it. I think his mom was concerned that I would be bothered by it, and she seemed relieved when I told her I was familiar with it and could relate to it all. Seems like a nice family. Honestly, I think I'm more comfortable with this kid and his family because of his autism.
 
Nailed it. The answer to that question would be INCREDIBLY helpful, right?
Quite! :confused:

This...is one of the biggest barriers to being open with him on a deeper level. I don't want to hurt him any more than I already am. There's more I could say, but he occasionally reads my posts, and I don't want to go too far with it.
One of the hardest things I ever did was let my mom know to what extent I had lost my emotional depth that I had as a kid. Thankfully, she took it well, because I also told her that of what I had left she on the high end of the list of people I did like. Maybe there is a way to be honest with people if you have something there to balance it out?
 
Maybe there is a way to be honest with people if you have something there to balance it out?


Right now, I'm not sure what that would be. Although DH had a dream last night that was really cool, and I think gave him some comfort in all this...a metaphor to hold onto. It's kind of a long story (which is REALLY rare for him to remember a dream at all, much less a long one), but in the end the point was that even though we seem really far away from each other right now, we're still working together as a team to hold up distant ends of a difficult situation, which in the end will work better than if we were walking along right beside each other and thereby being less effective overall. It was really insightful, especially considering it was his insight and not mine. Usually I'm the metaphorical-dream-analyzer-person, lol.
 
All the time, every night. I've tried analyzing my dreams for insights and guidance, and it all just feels like wishful thinking. More echos in the nothingness trap. Do you dream? Does it help you to think through them?

I do dream.

Sometimes it's just noise, and sometimes it's about this disconnection. The dream spins on and on, and I can't connect, and I wake up thick-headed, almost as if I'd traveled to far. When I look for echoes of myths and tales, sometimes the nothing trap gets revealed as a disguise of nothingness.

Sometimes it's about a connection that I myself am frustrating.

"Think" is the wrong verb for what happens. I don't analyze my dreams, because clinical approach doesn't work. I see them and react to them. Deliberate "unintelligence" is more serviceable, generally, for me.

Somewhere upthread someone suggested that kestrel might have prophetic insight. I would agree. I think she may very well have that gift. I wonder what would happen if you both found a way to explore that. I say this because I have been in that role and a bipolar person with severe depression issues did start to pull out, because the constellation she needed was present: professional therapeutic support, prescriptive support, spiritual support (both formulaic and ad-hoc prophetic), and a husband who forgave her for filing a lawsuit against him and rode it out. And her friends. It took a village, but it took the right village. I also see that AsheSkylar "nailed it."

I suspect your hut may be standing alone, but your neighbors are looking for you. Who are these villagers, for you, here and out there? The ones who say things that you say yes to? The ones who are in the constellation with you?

I'm not saying what worked for my friend then will work for you now, but I'm wondering what you connect to that isn't a person that could lead to a person. And then show you the way home.
 
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What is uplifting to me is that we're learning from and regualrly helping each other. Thank you to DogwoodTree for making this thread.
Hmm. Drinking from that little spring at Claros did seem to initiate certain changes...
 
"Think" is the wrong verb for what happens. I don't analyze my dreams, because clinical approach doesn't work. I see them and react to them. Deliberate "unintelligence" is more serviceable, generally, for me.

Yes, it's more intuitive than thinking/analyzing...free association. Let ideas connect themselves.

because the constellation she needed was present: professional therapeutic support, prescriptive support, spiritual support (both formulaic and ad-hoc prophetic), and a husband who forgave her for filing a lawsuit against him and rode it out. And her friends. It took a village, but it took the right village.

I thought I was finding that kind of village, and they wanted to help. But if you're buried in a deep black hole...what's a village to do? Mostly everyone just kinda gave up and said to me, this is an inside job, and I have to figure it out, and they'll be there waiting when I get myself out of it. It's not the normal kind of challenge they're used to helping with, so they ran out of ideas, and decided it was up to me to figure it out.
 
Right now, I'm not sure what that would be. Although DH had a dream last night that was really cool, and I think gave him some comfort in all this...a metaphor to hold onto. It's kind of a long story (which is REALLY rare for him to remember a dream at all, much less a long one), but in the end the point was that even though we seem really far away from each other right now, we're still working together as a team to hold up distant ends of a difficult situation, which in the end will work better than if we were walking along right beside each other and thereby being less effective overall. It was really insightful, especially considering it was his insight and not mine. Usually I'm the metaphorical-dream-analyzer-person, lol.
Aye, I'd take it as a good sign. Maybe so long as you two are working together and trying, everything will work out? If neither of your are being resentful or blaming the other, it looks to me like there's a pretty bright future.
 

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