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Featured Logic or Intuition?

Discussion in 'General Autism Discussion' started by Lycoris, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. Thinking

  2. Intuition

  3. Depends on the decisions

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  1. Lycoris

    Lycoris Soft colors smell quiet.

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    Just wondering, while making big and small decisions on a day to day basis, do you prefer thinking or intuition?

    Personally I like to think about the cause & effect of everything before deciding on what to do, but I've seen way too much people around me repeatedly making decisions based solely on their gut feelings. Most of these occasions did not end well for them.
     
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  2. Michael Balog

    Michael Balog Well-Known Member V.I.P Member

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    Definitely thinking for me, what other way is there? Not sure what a gut decision would be and why would you use that instead of logic and reasoning in the first place.
     
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  3. HidinginPlainSight

    HidinginPlainSight Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I have a concept of what intuition might be.
     
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  4. IntoTheVoid

    IntoTheVoid Active Member

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    I'd like to ask for an example of intuition... not sure how it works exactly :)
     
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  5. Bolletje

    Bolletje Potato chip wizard V.I.P Member

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    I combine rational thinking with intuition, which is what makes me good at my job. In my private life I tend to be rational when making financial decisions and more intuitive when it comes to social decisions.
     
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  6. Lycoris

    Lycoris Soft colors smell quiet.

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    Having intuition is sort of like being able to develop an instinctive opinion or feeling towards something at first glance without conscious effort.

    I think I have to clarify, looking back: this is just something I observe among students in my year group, but "way too many" is probably too emotional and dividing for a thread. I apologize.
     
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  7. Wolf Prince

    Wolf Prince My future job title.

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    Ive done both. The thinking part i prefer. The intuition part just happens. Like i might suddenly put on pants for going out instead of shorts. Knowing im not going anywhere. Then find out i am going somewhere.
     
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  8. Johann

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    I think what this question is attempting to distinguish is the difference and application of very short-term thinking and longer-termed thinking in decision making. You can call this subconscious thinking and conscious thinking.

    Intuition, as far as cognitive psychology is concerned(at least I think..I read it in a psychology book somewhere) is subconscious processing. Basically, when we consciously think, we average a rate of 40 bits of information per second. Subconscious processing allows for 40 million bits of information per second. Basically subconscious processing is a million times faster than conscious processing and thus, appears to be instant. You can find the quantification of thinking speed in information theory.

    A book called "Thinking fast and slow" explains this in terms of system 1 and system 2 type thinking(at least i guess/never read the book).

    In daily decision making, we use both forms of thinking: subconscious and conscious.

    When people use short-term thinking, they are often using what is called heuristics. Heuristics are "mental shortcuts" used to produce quick decisions and judgements. Trial and error, an educated guess, profiling, etc., are examples of these heuristics. They often appear to be effective and sometimes are to the degree necessary to make decisions, but often have a large capacity to be incorrect.

    Short-term decision making often generalizes new information so as to take away the complexity of the problem and provides a generalized answer to the generalized problem. New problems often appear to be the same as an older problems, in the overarching sense, but in actuality they are different when viewed in narrow sense. It is when you view the nuanced differences between "old problems you have already solved" and these "new" problems that you have yet to solve that you find variability with tremendous consequences. That is why case studies are widely ineffective for solving new problems. In theory, you are supposed to look at a case study and see how a problem was solved in the past as a way to better understand how you could solve a similar problem in the future. However, that only works to the degree that the old problem and new problem are similar. When they differ, and they often do in large ways, the previous case study and old information is often useless.

    In general most people havent been exposed to tools like decision theory as a way to make decisions.
    They are also unaware of the cognitive biases they have. Here is a list of cognitive biases that if viewed will greatly help you understand how you think and how your thinking is being exploited. You can also view a list of logical fallacies that when corrected, will help one reason.

    This is getting too long...lastly...logic is just an axiom of information or a construct from which information is intelligible.
     
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  9. Progster

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    Mainly logic/thinking, though I do sometimes have a feel for something.
     
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  10. Aspychata

    Aspychata My Art Work

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    You can be super intuitive and have absolutely no ability to change anything around you because then we bring up the philosophical question of can we really change fate, and in particular, our fate? So to carry out decisions using logic seems a pretty intelligent way to go about day to day decisions. Life feels like a Rubic cube to me. I feel like l am constantly sliding and turning things around to get everything matched up like a logic problem. Like get this job, live in this area. Now l find l have relaxed a bit more, my rubic cube is pointless but coffee and donuts have taken over the droll part of my existence. lol
     
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    Both needs to be an answer.
     
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    Mostly logic, occasionally intuition.
     
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  13. Mia

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    Consider recent research on “intuitions” in naturalistic decision making (Klein 1998). Such research has shown that agents with sufficient experience in a given domain (e.g., neonatal nursing, fire-fighting, or chess) arrive at judgments and make decisions on the basis of a cognitive process other than conscious considerations of various options and the weighing of evidence and utilities. Such expert “intuitions” that some infant suffers from sepsis, that a fire will take a certain course, or that a certain chess move is a good one, appear immediately in consciousness. Intuition (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

    And to answer your question, both.
     
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    Logic first - practicality, time, purpose, resources, final effect. I am not intuitive.
     
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    Intuition is one of your senses contributing to your decision, just like sight and sound contribute. In the end, a decision is always made with thinking, even if that thinking is to go with the decision your intuition concluded.
     
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    dragonfire42 Perpetual outsider

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    Usually I think about things first, but sometimes, like if I'm playing a video game or something, I act on intuition. I think generally the more important something is, the more thought I'll put into it, so for something trivial like a game I might act on intuition, but for major life decisions I'd put a lot of thought into it.
     
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    I lean towards intuition but basically it's often a blur. I find what we call logic is often affected by personal preferences and patterns. Rarely there's enough info to make a truly logical choice. Even in seemingly logical areas such as computer programming a lot of things are dictated by such notions as elegance and style. Designs done by hardcore and practical logic alone tend to be unmaintainable and hard to follow.
     
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    I usually follow my intuition, but I am also very rational. The rationality was learned somewhat recently.
     
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  19. Crossbreed

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    With experience, some logic becomes intuition. I have seen that as a tech and in talking to doctors (at routine visits).

    "These are all acting like the first one (that got diagnosed more intensely)..."
     
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    I believe I use both but by the Myers Briggs indicator I am a intuitive.
     
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