Gentiles (Non Jews) and Jews

[lunarious]

Google AI: A gentile is a person who is not Jewish. The term comes from the Latin word for "tribe" or "clan" and, in a biblical context, refers to the "nations" or peoples other than the Israelites. While historically a term to describe non-Jewish people, in a religious sense, it's used by various groups, such as Mormons, to denote those outside their own faith.

• Modern usage: Today, "gentile" is primarily used to mean a non-Jew. However, some religious groups, like members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also use the term to refer to those outside their own community of believers.

This Imam is mostly good, i can Hardly point out things that are wrong in hes speeches. And he make a notable remark quoting Qur'an that "God sent among the gentiles a Prophet to teach them Wisdom and The Book...".

Other sources to this quote is: "2. He it is Who sent amongst the unlettered ones a Messenger from amongst themselves to recite unto them His Verses, to foster them and absolve them of polytheism and discord, and teach them the Heavenly Book and Wisdom. And indeed, they had been formerly in manifest error."

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The Imam is talking through YouTube here. I think he's Monk type person, especially as he said such and he's Sufi Muslim. So Sufi is the mystical section of Islam.

 

[lunarious]

Under verse 2 IMHO

The Arabic plural noun umiyyin whose singular form is ummi ("unlettered," attributed adjective from the nominal form umm "mother), denoting that the noble Prophet (S) did not receive any schooling but what he learned from his mother.

Some scholars maintain that the word ummi connotes "from Mecca," since Mecca was called "the mother of dwelling places" (umm al-qura). According to a tradition narrated from Imam Sadiq (as), the people of Mecca had neither Scriptures nor a Divinely appointed leader, hence the designation ummi was Divinely attributed to them.13

It is noteworthy that the blessed Verse is saying that the Noble Prophet of the Islamic faith (S) is from the same unlettered people such that the significance and greatness of his Prophetic Call be reflected and it may also demonstrate the veracity of his Call, since the Holy Qur’an, a Book with such profound and great contents and an exalted culture like the Islamic culture may not be the fruit of human thought, let alone an unlettered person who had not received any formal education.

 

[lunarious]

I guess! I think:
The Noble Messenger of Allah (S) was appointed to foster and educate people in terms of knowledge, ethics, and practice such that by means of the two wings, they may soar into the sky of happiness and proceed on the path toward Allah and attain to proximity with Him. It is also worthy of note that three out of four Qur’anic Verses give the precedence to self purification and one Verse gives the precedence to teaching over fostering good qualities.

The point reflects that the two affect each other. Ethics is gendered by knowledge in the same manner that knowledge is gendered by ethics. The point refers to the originality of fostering good qualities. It is noteworthy, however, that rue sciences are hereby intended rather than those in the attire of sciences.14

The difference between the Book and Wisdom may be in that the former implies the Holy Qur’an and the latter alludes to the sayings and teachings of the Noble Prophet (S) termed as sunna ("tradition"). The word Book may also connote Islamic Injunctions and Wisdom may make a reference to its philosophy and secrets.

Comment: Bold reminds me of a quote from Dalai Lama, but we are Muslim.

 

[Kayla55]

I'm not sure how many people understand gentile race and why I refrain from indulging again in pepperoni pizza. Reminds me of how such I was at Uncle house in Haifa, Yiddish cook lot of chicken. Despite my cousin's bringing me turkey sandwiches I think it was just heat wave that nearly killed me, but coming from a home where we were more strict Parev - the food was affecting me. Not all Ashkenazi are truly Parev.

 

[Rachie]

I didn’t see a question in your post actually lunarious I don’t know if had a question or if you was trying to tell us something or to discuss something.

Most Christians today do not really call themselves or see themselves as gentile’s but just as followers of Christ, children of God or Christians. We have kind gone past the definition of gentile’s and if so it would be gentile Christians (Acts 15 KJV). I don’t particularly like the word gentile’s myself and we are past tribes really for humans as (Galatians 3:28) points out. I am very happy for Jewish people to call themselves whatever they want. Jesus talks about fake Jews in the Book of Revelations and he will take them up on it and it is good to be respectful (Revelations 3: 7-9).

You referred to the Quran and I know in your faith that you see Jesus as a prophet. In Christianity we use the Old Testament and evidence in the New Testament where God made clear that Jesus is his Son and he is also a prophet. This is my BeLoved Son who I am well pleased(John 3:16 ) is just one example.

 

[Kayla55]

No, Netanyahu and many of extremist types do not represent Judaism, many are mixed gentile race and don't even look like ancestors who inherited the land. Why red Heifer sacrifice shall have no white hairs, beyond me? It isn't recognised in islam, purely in Torah.

Now it's enough to witness the above starvation and genocide but Israel plotting to take more land, it's enough.
Evil Jews building this temple shall yield no prosperity, but only serve wicked who have history in Bible of disobeying G-d orders, the best way to build a temple is to live an honourable life, obey 10 commandments (for starters)

 

[lunarious]

I didn’t see a question in your post actually lunarious I don’t know if had a question or if you was trying to tell us something or to discuss something.

Good Point. I'll consider it Hardly, as i've been saying this much. I said in the past and today: "It is important to say good words, and consequentially good actions will follow, with Grace.. it is important to ask and be humbel".

• Modern usage: Today, "gentile" is primarily used to mean a non-Jew. However, some religious groups, like members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also use the term to refer to those outside their own community of believers.

Most Christians today do not really call themselves or see themselves as gentile’s but just as followers of Christ, children of God or Christians. We have kind gone past the definition of gentile’s and if so it would be gentile Christians (Acts 15 KJV). I don’t particularly like the word gentile’s myself and we are past tribes really for humans as (Galatians 3:28) points out. I am very happy for Jewish people to call themselves whatever they want. Jesus talks about fake Jews in the Book of Revelations and he will take them up on it and it is good to be respectful (Revelations 3: 7-9).

My teacher in High-School (read in Norwegian: Ungdomskole) was priest from this Church in my quote, he had 11 sons and daughters, a soccer team. He taught me much of what I know.

You referred to the Quran and I know in your faith that you see Jesus as a prophet. In Christianity we use the Old Testament and evidence in the New Testament where God made clear that Jesus is his Son and he is also a prophet. This is my BeLoved Son who I am well pleased(John 3:16 ) is just one example.

We can agree to disagree here, and vie in virtue. We have respect for Jesus (pbuh) and he's often/sometimes giving me Warnings. I do not hallucinate to be clear, nor do I see .. dead people, like this kid said in 6th sense the movie. (edit) however i'm inshallah Believer.

 

[Kayla55]

Most Christians today do not really call themselves or see themselves as gentile’s but just as followers of Christ, children of God or Christians. We have kind gone past the definition of gentile’s and if so it would be gentile Christians (Acts 15 KJV). I don’t particularly like the word gentile’s myself and we are past tribes really for humans as (Galatians 3:28) points out. I am very happy for Jewish people to call themselves whatever they want. Jesus talks about fake Jews in the Book of Revelations and he will take them up on it and it is good to be respectful (Revelations 3: 7-9).

Rachie, you are not from line of Abraham and despite love New testament you know nothing about the Bible, not why Jesu sent Damien pigs into dam, fail by art derived from pagan symbols and false depiction of Jesus who looked more like samson and his Philistines wife offspring. Jesu was Jew, not a foreigner or blond boy born in Nazareth.

Jewish law is clear on what is gentile:
The Code of Jewish Law clearly states that a child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, regardless of the father’s lineage (or whatever else may show up in a DNA test), while the child of a non-Jewish mother is not Jewish.1 Matrilineal descent has been a fundamental principle of Torah since the Jewish people came into existence

Some aspects of Judaism, like the priesthood, are clearly patrilineal

 

[Rachie]

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So what is your point..art is a representation..,I do not worship art.. I know nothing really about you and you not much about me.

I am not denying that Jesus was a Jew, it is clear that he was. If I don't call myself a gentile and another person does it is up to them. Galatians 3:28 moved us to see ourselves more as all being equal to God. Perhaps take a look. My point is I don't care what anyone calls themselves, it is up to them. I am not always up to the newest labels so that covers it and don't do petty squabbles on the internet. I think you missed what I meant. Btw, I did study religion including Judaism, Christianity and Islam and well am very fond of Judaism lets say to. I am still learning all the time like everybody and be very careful on calling yourself an expert on anything.

 

[lunarious]

Who's talking about art? Do you want to tell me, what you are talking about? Although i think i do understand.

 

[Rachie]

Who's talking about art? Do you want to tell me, what you are talking about? Although i think i do understand.

Well, I am not totally certain but it seems that Kayla's message which is hidden is referring to art which shows Jesus perhaps not looking Jewish enough to them. Also, perhaps writing about other things they may not understand themselves as they have no idea what someone thinks until they ask them.

 

[lunarious]

God is Generous

 

[Rachie]

Well actually the reason I entered to read the thread as a respected member posted and I read their post and them seemed somehow uneasy about the discussion which I had not read through. Basically I was saying that Jesus respects Jewish people and was Jewish, but isn't into fake Jews very much people who pretend to be Jewish and cause damage. Basically I was saying lets be nice to others wherever we are from and our backgrounds.. (true )Jewish or not.

As for people calling themselves whatever they want at times as I wrote I struggle to keep up with it so don't even try lol with new names not heritage but things like binary or pro nouns, whatever if you say you are a frog and are Scottish and a human and from England then well what do I say lol...AVOID unless serious lol.

I am not bothered where I come from..I know I am a child of God and that is what counts and I am proud of where my parents originate which isn't in Europe and only going there on holiday I don't feel too tied to it having grown up where I am. I am a bit of a free spirit and like to live a consecrated life much in line with Leviticus myself.

Anyway, I was reading yesterday that some people think that we all originate from Noah and his sons. Well think of that what you will. Sometimes if I post a question and research, it is not always what I think. Kayla mentioned about pagnism, yes I like Christmas and it is appropriate. I am not OTT with anything and in line with my faith and Easter to.

 

[Dagan]

I wouldn't worry about names or labels for folks at all. Every religious text is full of people who were born with a set name, but then whatever god does something and changes their name...or said person just decides to change their name themselves and claims that their god wanted it that way. It gets more confusing when you find out that people in other regions call their god by however many different names, as well, and if / when they ever get together to worship this one god (or another one), they somehow all know that they are or aren't talking about the same deity.

 

[Rachie]

I was in hospital about pronouns started to be used and I had everyone explaining them to me, of course they are not heritage but you can easily offend if people do not wish to be called by what they appear to be.

You raise good points Dagan.

I cannot verify this as I found it online on Google and I never wrote it-what I wrote wasn't about peoples heritage, but what they may like to be called or see themselves as.

Yes, some people who are Jewish, particularly those who are secular or atheist, may not call themselves "Jewish" if they don't identify with the religious or cultural aspects of Judaism, even if they have Jewish ancestry.
Others may not identify with the term for various reasons, such as a desire to suppress that part of their identity or simply not finding it a meaningful part of their self-identity. Conversely, some people who are not of Jewish ancestry may identify as Jewish for various reasons, such as conversion to Judaism or for cultural or political reasons.

 

[Kayla55]

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So what is your point..art is a representation..,I do not worship art.. I know nothing really about you and you not much about me.

I am not denying that Jesus was a Jew, it is clear that he was. If I don't call myself a gentile and another person does it is up to them. Galatians 3:28 moved us to see ourselves more as all being equal to God. Perhaps take a look. My point is I don't care what anyone calls themselves, it is up to them. I am not always up to the newest labels so that covers it and don't do petty squabbles on the internet. I think you missed what I meant. Btw, I did study religion including Judaism, Christianity and Islam and well am very fond of Judaism lets say to. I am still learning all the time like everybody and be very careful on calling yourself an expert on anything.

I'm just stating that Christian interpretation of the Bible, is somewhat limited. That I don't accept Jesus as Messiah, as he's yet to still come, and nope I'm not going to hell for that but Christians love preach about Bible they know little of, and think it their duty to convert others.
Perhaps reasoning has brought you to a thread about gentiles, and whilst USA stated they against Israel and some Muslim community accepts Christians more than the Jews, it's not totally widely accepted. So point in case is Nigeria wants help to stop Christian genocide but don't want USA interfering in their affairs, very valid point.... Depends, depends on what the mitzvah will cost me in my freedoms.
For some Christians it's best tie rod around ankle and drown in hell for false observations, corrupt interpretations and costing people a faith in true G-d, after that hopefully return to receive the one love guide to brothers and sisters who are neighbours.

 

[Kayla55]

Let the words of our mouth and the meditation of our heartBe acceptable in Thy sight here tonightLet the words of our mouth and the meditation of our heartBe acceptable in Thy sight here tonight

From rivers of Babylon, and relevance is very relevant, Babylone represents the ways of the wicked, those with lack respect. Now, I'm not saying we will all totally agree on everything, or religious interpretation but basic respect for human rights, dignity can go long way in fulfillment of peace. Like Palestine I understand what is means to be offered raw end of the stick at the table of greed, where tax pockets got deep for and lets us note about tax in temple, and relevance of what Jesus brought up was that like many of Jews before him messages told about wicked practices, but not that see Jesu as Messiah.

One man enters a deal and is satisfied, but for some of us we turned down so many offers as wasn't really anything on offer to us. But I'm glad UIF has realised Netanyahu has done to Palestine and heard cries of the choldren, for I feel honestly that I don't want such blood on my hands, Netanyahu should resign.

 

[Rachie]

I'm just stating that Christian interpretation of the Bible, is somewhat limited. That I don't accept Jesus as Messiah, as he's yet to still come, and nope I'm not going to hell for that but Christians love preach about Bible they know little of, and think it their duty to convert others.
Perhaps reasoning has brought you to a thread about gentiles, and whilst USA stated they against Israel and some Muslim community accepts Christians more than the Jews, it's not totally widely accepted. So point in case is Nigeria wants help to stop Christian genocide but don't want USA interfering in their affairs, very valid point.... Depends, depends on what the mitzvah will cost me in my freedoms.
For some Christians it's best tie rod around ankle and drown in hell for false observations, corrupt interpretations and costing people a faith in true G-d, after that hopefully return to receive the one love guide to brothers and sisters who are neighbours.

I wrote that I saw another member reply and they seemed a bit upset and the post was then deleted. I opened the post as I saw them reply and was interested to read their point of view given the topic. Previous I skimmed the first post and backed out as I couldn't see the question and decided the next day to reply to try and summarise collected viewpoints if there was a difference of opinion that could cause issues.

I have no idea about your faith. That is a personal thing and I tend not to post in threads that is not my faith as people are entitled to their own unless it catches my eye but this seemed like an open thread.