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Gaseous Fuel

Ronald Zeeman said:
One of my position in the past was at an assembly plant making Ford pick up trucks, Prior to this position I worked at a testing lab who was doing extensive research on finding a way to run diesel engines on natural gas. They were successful. That was 30 years ago. I like mazes to me electric is not the future, rather internal combustion engines is just change the fuel steel is easy to recycle. So why re invent the wheel.
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The best alternative fuel is the one that doesn't require modification to run. Gasoline replacements do exist but are both expensive as hell and environmentally useless because of the fossil fuel energy needed to make them; hence the need for nuclear. And diesel is easy. Replace some of the oilfields with big, vertical hydro farms. Diesel is carbon-neutral if it used to be corn and will be again.

To me, natural gas is probably the worst diesel replacement for an individual owner. It might work for fleets and big rigs. But I wouldn't take a CNG conversion if it were free. I quite like being able to store 800 miles' worth of 6.0 food in my shed without it leveling my house, and my truck not being an explosive cruise missile, so the only alternative I'll accept is another stable liquid compression fuel.
 
See the Cummins video above gas is gas hydrogen is gas, why I started this thread hydrogen can easily be made from water al you need is electricity to produce easy to transport and store. Only issue is hydrogen embrittlement.
I see buses here in Brampton running on natural gas, Knowing the technology was developed next city over where I used to work. I remember having a chat with a guy during my tour, I worked in the paint and coating lab He said the main issue at the time was catalyst's were still a bit of an issue for emissions, he felt confident this could be resolved in the future. I have no idea if Cummins found away around this. Either way a non issue with hydrogen.
 
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I lived on a farm as a teenager, had three tractors two diesel, one gasoline. Yes the gas tractor was for having a gas tank so we could buy cheap gas no tax, as it was for the farm. FIlled car from this tank. That's how the game is played in rural places.
 
A new innovation - small scale wind generators producing 6 Kilowatts.

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One thing I do not get , formerly worked at Ortech they made LNG work with diesel engines 30 years ago what am I missing.
 
Ronald Zeeman said:
One thing I do not get , formerly worked at Ortech they made LNG work with diesel engines 30 years ago what am I missing.
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The original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil and they can run on a really wide range of other oils too, but I've never heard of one running on gas. (actual gas, not the misleading US term)

For 20 years the Brisbane Bus Company ran it's network of suburban public transport on Canola oil. It was touted as a great success. Canola oil was around the same price as diesel oil and it gave the same mileage so no gain there but other surprising benefits showed up besides using renewable carbon instead of digging more up from underground.

Mechanics had a much slower maintenance schedule because when running on canola oil the bus engines didn't suffer the same internal carbon buildup that normally happens when using diesel oil. Less maintenance, less downtime, money saved.

It was also better for pedestrians in the streets, the bus exhaust smelled like fresh donuts.

For some reason they stopped doing that in the last decade and now it's difficult to find any information on it, even though it was a very successful trial that lasted more than 20 years. I strongly suspect financial coercion from the fossil fuel industry.

Fossil fuel companies will gladly sell you what they cal "bio diesel" which is just diesel with around 10% of canola oil added, but that is not what Brisbane Bus was using. They were running on pure canola oil with no additives. They also didn't have to make any modifications to the engines for this to happen, they just started filling tanks with canola and everything ran sweet.

*Brisbane is a subtropical climate, in colder climates you need to add between 5% and 10% ethanol to the canola oil to stop it from being too thick and viscous on cold mornings.
 
I know they got the LNG to work with diesel engines remember original issue was injection student from U of W solved this issue they hired him, I know it worked. see buses here in Brampton running on LNG. Remember engineer telling me emissions was still an issue. looking for catalyst .Either way this was thirty years ago. Is the guy who put video together not aware, Yes LNG can run in a diesel engine

Also we have lots of Canola due to our beef with china, I like the guys premise electrical will not push out heavy equipment like tractors,
 
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looks like they took the injection method I heard about at my testing lab years ago was taken to next level.


 
This is why I do not think electric is the future for transportation, shortage of raw materials. iron can be recycled many times steel now made from scrap saw this first hand just before retirement. High quality steel from scrap.


 
This is why I do not see electric cars as the future. If I cannot visit my wifes sister in the middle of winter they live hours north of me. Internal combustion engines going nowhere, just the fuel will change. Saw this at Ortech years ago. Fortunately my autism gives me the ability to see farther than most.

 
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In Australia we're now experimenting with additives to cattle feed to try and reduce the amount they fart, they contribute a considerable amount to global carbon emissions.
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I wonder if they've seen the studies on cow farts coming from eastern Canada. Group of scientists here have figured out if you feed them a diet that is part seaweed (dulse) it drastically reduces the methane content.

As for the continued use of hydrocarbon fuels the writing is on the wall. We've hit peak oil and it's going to start going down. Last year was the first year on record where China actually showed it could increase energy use / production while at the same time reducing their reliance on petrofuels. Reduced by something like 2% which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a tipping point. Americans/Canadians have their head in the tar sands. the world is moving forward and we are being left behind.

The next 15-25 years are just going to be the death of oil as every big company rushes to produce as much as they can while they can before it eventually becomes less than worthless. And what you'll see is not new operations being built, but efforts to extract and maximize revenues on their current sites.
 
OIl is dying I agree gas is future hydrogen and or natural gas keeping a vehicle warm and have range will not work up here, Down south have their own issues. Iron can be recycled easily key. Rare earths not. Oil will still be need to make plastics and paint, So do not predict premature death. We keep our cows in barn when cold so natural gas capture is easy from manure holding tank. Remember most clothing is made from plastic, hard to be nudist up here in winter. Things are more complex than they seem on the surface. Been around.
 
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JayLapointe said:
The next 15-25 years are just going to be the death of oil as every big company rushes to produce as much as they can while they can before it eventually becomes less than worthless. And what you'll see is not new operations being built, but efforts to extract and maximize revenues on their current sites.
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Australia is one of the world's largest exporters of coal and gas, but that's ending very soon. Coal is still on track to be completely phased out by 2040. After that it will be illegal to mine coal in Australia except for coking coal for our iron smelters and coal exports will be completely banned.

Gas was due to be phased out by 2040 but we had to knock that back to 2050 because Japan can't adjust quickly enough to do without gas. They're a nation that's unable to feed it's people domestically so they rely on the exports of cars and electronics in order to be able to buy food.

We're still phasing out it's use domestically though. It's now illegal to install gas stoves in new homes and existing homes have until 2030 to change to all electric before town gas supplies get cut off.

Just in time too really, the whole industry has become far too costly to support. The fossil fuel age has ended.

This chart is 5 years old now so the differences are even greater. Note that the most expensive form of electricity generation is nuclear, and idiots were pushing for Australia to invest in nuclear. It's no longer even close to being cost effective so it's not going to happen.

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