• Welcome to Autism Forums, a friendly forum to discuss Aspergers Syndrome, Autism, High Functioning Autism and related conditions.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Private Member only forums for more serious discussions that you may wish to not have guests or search engines access to.
    • Your very own blog. Write about anything you like on your own individual blog.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon! Please also check us out @ https://www.twitter.com/aspiescentral

Feeling Forever

Peace

Well-Known Member
V.I.P Member
When I am happy, the whole world is a wonderful place full of love and beautiful flowers. When I am sad, the world is a dark and gloomy place. When I feel hopeless there is not a chance that anything will ever get better. When I am aroused, everything revolves around sex or is sexual. When I do something good, "I Am The Man". When I make a mistake, I suck, I hate myself and I am an unnecessary burden on the world.
Whatever feeling I experience, it consumes me as if it is all I have and it will last forever.
Does anyone else feel this way? Is it an Aspie thing?
 
Heh... sounds familiar, but it might be more of an "ego" thing I suppose. I mean, it does sound a lot like the world revolves around you whatever state you're in.
 
I don't really think it's necessarily an Aspie-only thing . . . all humans like to make themselves the heroes of their own stories.
 
Yes, I can definitely relate. Emotions, like many other aspects of AS, can be quite intense, and we can really hyper focus on them. This is why we are described as often having our "meltdowns".

I've mentioned this before, but I'll share what my psychotherapist once explained to me. She explained that the reason why Aspies can feel these intense bouts of emotion, is because we can experience moods differently to NTs.

If a person's mood could be ranked from 1-10 (1 being neutral, and 10 being full blown meltdown), it would look something like this:

10 - full blown meltdown
9 - livid
8
7 - angry
6
5 - in a foul mood
4
3 - mildly annoyed
2
1 - nuetral

An NT will typically sit anywhere between approximately 1 to 3. As their moods change, they will run up towards 10, though will very rarely ever reach it; usually only ever reaching around 5-7, then cooling off slowly back to a lower number.

An Aspie will generally sit on 1. They may rarely ever leave 1 as well, which can cause us to therefore appear rather aloof. When we do however become upset, we will surge from 1, right up to 10, within a single move; skipping all the numbers in between. Because of this sudden surge, it causes us to appear to have fairly erratic mood swings, which can confuse some. When we do calm down, we can also swing from 10, to 1, so that we can calm down fairly quickly as well.

This can explain why some Aspies may become nervous when NTs display mild annoyance, as we do not necessarily experience these inbetween steps, and so may not recognise when someone is only a little annoyed. I know I've been guilty of thinking an NT was much more angry than they truely were, and would therefore be quite hesitant towards these milder mood swings. When I did ask if they were in fact angry, they would often seem surprised that I had thought that they were I'm fact angry at all.
 
It is more like the response from Vanilla, intense moods. If I am happy, I am really happy. Sad, Really sad. And at the time, it seems like the only thing in the world and that it will last forever.
 
It is more like the response from Vanilla, intense moods. If I am happy, I am really happy. Sad, Really sad. And at the time, it seems like the only thing in the world and that it will last forever.

You can actually learn to anticipate these mood swings, by better understanding your own triggers, and how to calm yourself, before a full meltdown; though it isn't necessarily full proof of course, as we are still human after all. I've learned to better stabilise myself by understanding this, and so rarely get angry, or upset, though there are still certain triggers which I simply can not ignore. By learning to do so though, you can actually learn how to take more steps in between 1-10, which help to act as a buffer.
 
I'm not sure if this is helpful or not, so let that be a caution and a disclaimer, but intensity is a primary facet of giftedness. I am diagnosed AS but also documented PG (profoundly gifted). I have noticed quite a few others on the spectrum with this distinction too, to various levels (IQ has level markers from moderate to profound, but I also must state that IQ alone does not necessarily denote 'gifted' and nobody should feel bad if they aren't, and nobody should feel bad if they are. It just is.). Sometimes it can be difficult for me to delineate between the two modalities, as many of the 'symptoms' cross over, some by different terminology but they're essentially similar, perhaps the same. Part of my coming here lo these months ago was to sort it all out. I think I have found some clarity, but I wouldn't go so far as to say definitive answers.

I am a very intense person, with very intense feelings and moods. I feel things so very, very deeply, and not only that, but substantially also, in the sense of breadth, of seeing forests as well as trees, from the tip of roots to where the star goes on top. I've learned to cope with it as best I can, to just accept it as part of me, and part of the way I perceive and experience life. How does one describe breathing? You just do it. There is a glass of water, and I am Niagara Falls. It is what it is, it is my nature and by that respect divine, so I embrace it, although that is not to say that it does not cause me trouble, and I mean that in respect to my interactions with others. I sometimes (okay, often) despair that the power and heft of my expression may affect others. I fear more than anything that I have drowned people, or have the potential to. Well, I know I already have.

I have had a lot of feedback in my life, and it's an oft related phenomenon to me that my communications can be very uh, powerful. I am so oblivious that I don't even realise it, because it is my normal. Much of my life, I assumed that what I experienced was universal and people just didn't talk about it much. It was not until somewhat recent times that I came to understand that it was very much not the case.

I can cope with it on my own in my own bubble alright, in a vacuum, the problem is that I do believe I affect others very strongly. I must express these things, I must let them out if at all possible as a natural born communicator (as it happens, suppressing them tends to create more problems because I will only burst later, and with a lot less control, vis a vis tempest in a teacup, meltdown, shutdown, etc). Yet when I interact, have friendships and relationships with others, observation and feedback has given me plenty of reason to feel as though I affect others strongly with my intensity. The more intimate the connection, the more problematic it seems to be, go figure, a logical element in human relationship dynamics (yet still, not in every case). But it is because people care. As I also do. And it goes both ways. You love and care for people, you don't want them to be hit like a sledgehammer nor then to carry your pain. This explains a lot of my behaviour and quirks, it is why I am She of the Sudden Silences and Occasional Departures. Most of the time, it's because I don't want to impose, and I wish to protect those that I care about. I love in all expressions of the ideal, and I do not want to be alone, solitary anymore, and I want to be a real girl. Yet...

I feel as though I have a choice, and that choice is to be open and honest, completely authentic, and accept the consequences of that (which is what I want more than anything), with the caveat that others have to accept this as well and be able to handle it without taking it personally (not easy), or my other option- put that pragmatism suit on and be a surface dweller, a ghost, a maybe-almost-an-eighth-of-a-person. That of course, is against my nature, but sometimes it feels like the only option that doesn't cause any trouble or adversity, or... hurt *very very sad face*. I believe it is difficult to handle me. And I am sorry for that. So very much, at a gut level, dropped to my knees. Yet it is not something within my ability to change unless I give up my 'self' entirely. The grace given me in it is that I am resilient and do move on quickly for the most part, and much of it is situational/environmental. Ease the situation, change the environment, and I'm balanced, and not at sixes and sevens anymore. I am very fluid that way. I go with the flow. Sometimes it is good. Sometimes it is not. Because others perhaps aren't used to dealing with it, and it lingers for them like echos, far longer than it does for me. Quandary, and I trouble it like mental worry beads.

So, because I don't have answers to other people's questions, all I can do is share my experience and observations thereof. Which is what I have done. If anyone is interested at all at looking into the gifted side of things, if it might give you some information that might help illuminate in light of any interest, because there is a similar dynamic insofar as the spectrum as well, I could direct you to some sources. If not, no worries whatsoever. I am all too aware that the gifted angle is a difficult one for many people to consider, for reasons varied and individual. Culture has not been kind to the different, even the appelation 'gifted' itself causes controversy in this homongenous era where an abundance of intellect is misattributed to mean having it easier than everyone else, having an advantage, or worse, thinking oneself better instead of different. We know that routine here. Oh, au contraire. But nobody sees (feels) the struggles, which is the dichotomy to being on the spectrum- where people often ONLY see the struggles. They see the stereotypes. *another sad face* They don't see what is sacrificed to be gifted, to think to the heights and feel to the depths, to think differently, which should actually be valued for its uniqueness. And the opposite goes for being on the spectrum, they don't see what we have to give, which should also be valued for its uniqueness. Nature giveth, and nature taketh away.

SImply searching 'gifted intensity' would likely bring up some worthwhile information. Or also, OE's, 'overexcitabilities'. There is also HSP- Highly Sensitive Person, Elaine Aron has put some information out there that may or may not be useful and it doesn't only apply to gifteds.

*edit- and a little autobiographical element... before I came here, I was searching. For true peers, and information, answers, a place to be honest, but also more. I had become very small. It seemed that the only way I could walk amongst was to disconnect, become numb and suppress so much of myself. Dumb myself down, wall off the secret garden of my heart, practice survival skills. I learned how to shapeshift early on as a matter of survival, I wanted to know who and what I really am, and be that person. I had learned this response of dulling my edges throughout life. Seemed the only viable reaction left to me. Was judged a lot, chronically misunderstood, even in times thought to be 'crazy', extreme, or conversely, been target of jealousy and bullying or thought to be showing off when I had innocently and with jovial intent let a little of my real self out to play in moments when my guard dropped. And gifteds and aspies both have 'emperor wears no clothes' traits. No holds barred often-unbiased honesty. That doesn't go over well in most circles.

I wear existential crises like an old t-shirt that I just can't bear to throw in the bin, it's so comfortable. Even though it is faded and has little holes here and there, and fits a little tight these days. I have the most sincere, deepest regret if my... being me, in all my complexity, has caused any harm to anyone (this is a general plea). The adage goes, 'it's not you, it's me'. And this is really really true. It is me. My conscience does not rest easy when thinking about the implications that I see through different lenses. Especially since I have found what is precious to me here. I already know that I have hurt at least one person in my life just by being me, and for what it's worth, I'm really genuinely repentant if there are others. I try to be careful, but you know. Some people you just can't sell the narrative to. And when you feel yourself to be 2" tall in a world of giants, and the giants see you as towering over them, well, it's difficult to see eye to eye. But I really do see so much beauty, even when I stand in the shadows.
 
Last edited:
Just wanted to clarify too; when I mention that emotions can be managed, this doesn't mean they should be stifled; that's the worst thing you can do. I regularly talk about my issues with those I trust to understand me, and this relieves any potential build up of emotion, which may lead to a meltdown. Also, I try to calm myself down, using logic to analyse the situation first, to determine whether my emotions are justified. If I feel they are not, simply knowing this tends to calm me, as I can then try to find solutions to my problem, which in turn prevents any need to feel upset at all :)
 
It is more like the response from Vanilla, intense moods. If I am happy, I am really happy. Sad, Really sad. And at the time, it seems like the only thing in the world and that it will last forever.

And to consider that when I went through explaining this to a therapist, they were already grabbing the "bipolar" label to tack on me...
 
And to consider that when I went through explaining this to a therapist, they were already grabbing the "bipolar" label to tack on me...
I've always struggled to properly understand the bi polar definition, as it is so similar to an AS one (in terms of the extreme mood swings). I've read up about it a few times, but for some reason I still can't get my head around it. All I can make of it, is that the person would feel the mood swings, without the hyper focus...or perhaps I don't understand it well enough? Maybe I simply have a mental block, regarding the subject; hopefully it will make sense one day :P
 
I've always struggled to properly understand the bi polar definition, as it is so similar to an AS one (in terms of the extreme mood swings). I've read up about it a few times, but for some reason I still can't get my head around it. All I can make of it, is that the person would feel the mood swings, without the hyper focus...or perhaps I don't understand it well enough? Maybe I simply have a mental block, regarding the subject; hopefully it will make sense one day :p

Oh, perhaps your understanding is perfectly fine about it. The thing is; a therapist cannot look inside my head (a scary thought; if they could), they might not grasp the concept of "hyperfocus" as such. And while I can tell them how I feel and try to explain hyperfocus, it might very well be a mental block for them to grasp this concept.

But the same might go for feeling down and outright depressed; I know that I can feel awfully ****** under certain circumstances, yet these don't always compute to a healthcare professional. As vice versa; I might not grasp whatever makes them sad.

I mean, your depression already differs from my depression as such, so the notion of diagnosing someone and assuming that it's bad enough to be treated, just on how it shows on the outside, aside from any verbal dissonance is a tricky one at best when dealing with healthcare professionals adamant to label you with something
 
Being bi-polar, and intensely empathic, I know precisely what it is you describe. Wintertime's post could well have been mine (good thing she got there first, as she put it far better than I could have). As for how to manage? Well, the CBT techniques that Vanilla mentioned can prove quite helpful, but...when I find myself totally consumed by whatever it is I am feeling or experiencing, it is almost impossible for me to pull back from that state and analyze things logically. In the past, if the times were bad, I would try to repress it, either with substances, or self harm, etc. Now, I know I have to just go with it. Medication helps me, as well as regular therapy sessions.

I've thought about asking friends and family to keep an eye on me, and intervene if they thought it looked like I was going over the top, with the ups or with the downs. But that might be too much of a burden on them. Fortunately, I've gotten better at recognizing these signs myself. There have been times recently when I have thought about checking myself in, but somehow I got through those times. It hasn't gone away, and I don't think it will. It's hard for me to step away from my emotions. They often dictate my behavior. I don't really have a solution, but at least I am still alive, and doing my best to enjoy the good times and ride out the bad.
 
Yep. Everything becomes emotionally black or white, all or nothing. Every thought, every feeling is the alpha and the omega. I've seen this on just about every list of Aspie traits I've read recently. However, I don't think it's necessarily particular to Aspies; though, we may be more susceptible to that way of thinking.
 
Wow! This thread is a gem of insight and wisdom. I experience emotions the way Peace wrote of. All consuming., intense epic emotions. I have a fair bit of trigger awareness, yet I know several of my triggers are unavoidable, and so attempt to prepare myself in advance.
Kudos peeps
 
Being bi-polar, and intensely empathic, I know precisely what it is you describe. Wintertime's post could well have been mine (good thing she got there first, as she put it far better than I could have). As for how to manage? Well, the CBT techniques that Vanilla mentioned can prove quite helpful, but...when I find myself totally consumed by whatever it is I am feeling or experiencing, it is almost impossible for me to pull back from that state and analyze things logically. In the past, if the times were bad, I would try to repress it, either with substances, or self harm, etc. Now, I know I have to just go with it. Medication helps me, as well as regular therapy sessions.

I've thought about asking friends and family to keep an eye on me, and intervene if they thought it looked like I was going over the top, with the ups or with the downs. But that might be too much of a burden on them. Fortunately, I've gotten better at recognizing these signs myself. There have been times recently when I have thought about checking myself in, but somehow I got through those times. It hasn't gone away, and I don't think it will. It's hard for me to step away from my emotions. They often dictate my behavior. I don't really have a solution, but at least I am still alive, and doing my best to enjoy the good times and ride out the bad.

You are so kind to me, Wyv. I've edited my post so many times that it might be a whole new one. So it may necessitate re-evaluation. And I very much appreciate your post.
 
Last edited:
I'm like the original poster and what Vanilla first replied to him. If i feel happy or sad or angry its almost always an extreme. I debate if i'm bipolar just like i debate if i'm ocd but i figure that to be an aspie you're gonna have some degree of OCD and bipolar traits. I just wonder where the line is drawn between the two? When it interferes with your life? And what's the difference between interfering with and merely adversely affecting? My mind's a mess but i was raised on the idea that if you haven't been through anything traumatic or difficult then you've no right to have anything mentally wrong with you, so the verdict is merely that you aren't trying hard enough. Just having this typed up hurts...makes me question everything that i am and just want to cut it away. I've self harmed on and off since i was in middle school. Almost constantly have issues with black and white all or nothing thinking, more as i get older. Unsupportive parents don't help. They are the ones that got me researching the possibility of me having AS yet the subject died as quickly as it came up. I don't know how to take that. Did they just stop believing it? But that wouldn't make sense because like once in a blue moon the subject comes up (usually cause of something on the news) and they agree that i probably have it. But if they really constantly think i have it then why does it never come up. Its a never ending cycle and i dont know what to think at this point. That i really am a legit mess with diagnosable **** or do i just need to try harder like i've always been told. I'm a mess this morning and its not a good thing, not in a good way at all.
 

New Threads

Top Bottom