Do NT-Designed IQ Tests Truly Reflect Neurodivergent Intelligence?

[GHA]

I have never second guess my abilities, complex puzzles others would not even dream of tackling, to me interesting I wonder if I can figure it out, Then others surprise how did he do it.

Sheer Brilliance!!

 

[MerCsDs]

Odd to think when I took IQ tests twice in my life I never contemplated the time element and how it impacts the results. But then I never really saw the usefulness of this metric outside of a medical professional's assessment or approval into Mensa.

Not something normally connected with any aspect of most job interviews, though I did have one hiring process where they were aware of my IQ...(and everything else) for better or worse. The most invasive employment process I ever experienced.

Though at the time neither myself nor the employer or my own physicians were aware of my autism.

I feel alike you on the time indifference, I also did two tests in my life to get into two different high schools and may have done one before but my childhood memory is incomplete and I actually never understood what to do so I just thought about some questions and played around with others questions and so it’s no surprise I never got into neither high school although time has shown that I’m intelligent and have always been treated as “gifted” more or less but not IQ, tho I have a perceivable high EQ (emotional quotient). I wasn’t aware of my autism neither then.

 

[MerCsDs]

It wasnt until my late teens that , learned that there was a method to a tual test taking thst NT did. My Iowa basics IQ test at 7 years old almost stymied me .Completely had no idea of how to complete a test of this kind. And there was no instruction of how to even mark ,which answer was correct. Most of the time spent on the test was figuring out how or where to put the mark for the correct answer . Then was not informed of a time limit,so I would focus on each question quite deliberately. To get the correct answer, interpolation of each question. Each individual Aspie maybe better suited to a different method of learning that might suite their learning skills . Regardless my teachers had informed my mother that I was performing below my skill levels in school . If I hadnt been under daily abuse at home and bullying and non inclusivity,and outright ostracizing of me in school by others.Might have done better .

I literally share the almost identical experience where I didn’t understand what was expected, had an awful environment, had an awful home life; I grew up under both my parents but I feel the same an orphan since they’re not really parents beyond the biological role, and I never scored anything remarkable although I never got to know the scores I had before, they were for entrance exams and I didn’t get into the institutions or waitlisted so that tells me all I needed to know :v

 

[MerCsDs]

A flaw in the testing method I described above:

As a kid I loved maths tests. There was never any danger of me scoring less than 100%, for me it was always a personal contest - how quickly I could finish. And I developed methods for this. The most important of these was to flip through the test and answer all the easy and obvious questions first.

In an IQ test against the clock with 200 questions this gave me a distinct advantage.

I also loved math and me being so naturally attracted to it and performing well lead to be being treated as gifted although I struggled socially and had all very obvious symptoms of ASD. Even now, puzzles and pattern learning games are very fun. I find it funny that it’s been something that another existing human has experienced in their own way, so thank you :3

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

Sheer Brilliance!!

No self confidence do no doubt what I am capable of state it then do it, Then pissed for not getting rewarded for doing what I said I would. Even left one position resulted in two years of unemployment. FIxed new employers most entrenched issue in first day, Week later politics unemployed. Us Aspies are not typical. NT's need us like to use us. screw us.

 

[MerCsDs]

No self confidence do no doubt what I am capable of state it then do it, Then pissed for not getting rewarded for doing what I said I would. Even left one position resulted in two years of unemployment. FIxed new employers most entrenched issue in first day, Week later politics unemployed. Us Aspies are not typical. NT's need us like to use us. screw us.

Yeah I understand and feel that, while I feel like it’s still harsh to say they need us to use us since that’s very definitive.
I don’t disagree with it fully since I feel like us being so different and growing up continuing to be ourselves somehow makes them feel better about themselves when we associate with them, I have had a similar experience for being a kind and caring person people are attracted to it like bears with honey since it makes them feel better to see someone as virtuous and then be linked to that person while also not doing anything to be caring themselves beyond to get something out of someone or be creative beyond something again that benefits them.
I feel they’ve just accepted us to be different as some kind of spectacle, they can attain something from and beyond that they don’t hold themselves accountable to how they treat us or how damaging how they view us might be for us, or even themselves as discrimination is a doubled edged sword.
The part where I’m not super sure of is that a lot of people feel their ‘potential’ has something owed to them so when for instance I’m kind and they feel their potential kindness represented in me, they seek to associate with me because they project their potential virtue on me even though they’re not acting or dedicating themselves to be a kind person, hence to simply act kind even with all the nuance and complexity.

 

[GHA]

Yeah I understand and feel that, while I feel like it’s still harsh to say they need us to use us since that’s very definitive.
I don’t disagree with it fully since I feel like us being so different and growing up continuing to be ourselves somehow makes them feel better about themselves when we associate with them, I have had a similar experience for being a kind and caring person people are attracted to it like bears with honey since it makes them feel better to see someone as virtuous and then be linked to that person while also not doing anything to be caring themselves beyond to get something out of someone or be creative beyond something again that benefits them.
I feel they’ve just accepted us to be different as some kind of spectacle, they can attain something from and beyond that they don’t hold themselves accountable to how they treat us or how damaging how they view us might be for us, or even themselves as discrimination is a doubled edged sword.
The part where I’m not super sure of is that a lot of people feel their ‘potential’ has something owed to them so when for instance I’m kind and they feel their potential kindness represented in me, they seek to associate with me because they project their potential virtue on me even though they’re not acting or dedicating themselves to be a kind person, hence to simply act kind even with all the nuance and complexity.

I’ll be honest — as an NT, I’ve seen it far too often: when NTs don’t understand neurodivergence, they instinctively place themselves above it. It’s rarely said out loud, but it’s there in the way they measure value, in the standards they apply, and in the quiet assumption that ND minds need to be “fixed” to fit in.
In my decades of living alongside and supporting my son, I’ve watched people admire ND creativity, insight, and problem-solving — even rely on it — yet still treat the person behind those strengths as somehow “less.” Not because they truly are, but because difference unsettles people who don’t take the time to understand it.
That’s why self-awareness and boundaries matter so much. When your abilities are given space to shine in an environment of respect, both sides grow. When they’re taken without respect, it slowly erodes the very strengths that drew people to you in the first place. Protect that space. You’ve earned it.

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

How about retiring threatened to be sued, for telling what I did to keep competitors fro knowing, stuff I got from my education paid for by me prior to joining them. I just saw novel applications Some of the applications were applied at previous employers, where they worked. Now they think it's propriatory. No nondisclosure agreement. I started my career as a lab tech on a coil coating liner retired as a lab tech on a coil coating line. learned a lot in the intervening years including employment on coil lines customer base, and competion post paint. Very extensive knowledge base.

 

[MerCsDs]

How about retiring threatened to be sued, for telling what I did to keep competitors fro knowing, stuff I got from my education paid for by me prior to joining them. I just saw novel applications Some of the applications were applied at previous employers, where they worked. Now they think it's propriatory. No nondisclosure agreement. I started my career as a lab tech on a coil coating liner retired as a lab tech on a coil coating line. learned a lot in the intervening years including employment on coil lines customer base, and competion post paint. Very extensive knowledge base.

Yeah if they’re butt hurt, they’ll make it about them. Tho, congratulations to you for your acquired knowledge.

I can understand being angry about this especially within a very vile company setting. Though companies under capitalist rules is literally the worst of society in my opinion. I hope you’ve been able to retire without being sued, and they don’t seem to have anything going for themselves so most likely are bluffing out of pettiness anyways as you’ve said.

 

[Crossbreed]

@vergil96,
The reason our schools make such an effort to identify the gifted is because the gifted are better served with a different teaching style than the "meanies" require, just as the learning disabled are.

ASD2 & 3 are adequately served by special education, but ASD1s need a different style than the NTs. ASD1s can be advanced, but my 2e son still got a lightened homework load and extra time for his [college entrance] exams.

 

[Ronald Zeeman]

I only concern with stuff that interests me know like during covid was in hospital wondered waas my stroke caused by covid so started analysing it determined their was a genetic basis for who got infected and blood types like mine were highly resistant if infected. How I did it fully documented on thread on this site.

Currently trying to sort out da Vinci code stumbled on this after joining my heritage to sort out another family mystery. Unfortunately Myheritage is vertical not horizontal.

 

[vergil96]

ASD1s can be advanced, but my 2e son still got a lightened homework load and extra time for his [college entrance] exams.

Good for him that he got the lighter end of that. Was it the result of the autism diagnosis or did the school go out with the initiative? It is common on this end of the pond to receive extended exam time as a result od the ASD diagnosis.

 

[Crossbreed]

Was it the result of the autism diagnosis or did the school go out with the initiative?

It was based on an in-school diagnosis of autism. That is, an assessment by the school psychologist, for school accommodation purposes. He has no clinical diagnosis.

 

[vergil96]

It was based on an in-school diagnosis of autism.

Ah, I see.

Convoluted . Over here children get ASD accommodations based on ASD asessments which also aren't clinical, but carried out by a psychologist outside the school. Only a doctor can give a clinical diagnosis.

 

[Crossbreed]

Over here children get ASD accommodations based on ASD asessments which also aren't clinical, but carried out by a psychologist outside the school. Only a doctor can give a clinical diagnosis.

The in-school diagnosis only applies to school-based services.
He is thriving as a degreed biomedical technician. Although he privately agrees that he has Aspergers, he does not want the stigma that accompanies going public about it.

 

[vergil96]

He is thriving as a degreed biomedical technician.

It seems to get easier once you work and no longer have to attend the once size fits all classes. Get to choose which kinds of activities suit you or not.

 

[Crossbreed]

...this is why famously all the highest IQ scores belong to high functioning autistics.

Gifteds are more likely to be ASD1 than "meanies" are, due to our stereotypical asynchronous development.