Connection with Antisocial Disorders

[Agnes]

Have you ever come across people displaying psychopathic traits or other signs of antisocial behavior? Did you experience a sense of recognition or connection, as if you were meeting someone similar to yourself? What was your personal experience in such situations?

 

[TBRS1]

Have you ever come across people displaying psychopathic traits or other signs of antisocial behavior? Did you experience a sense of recognition or connection, as if you were meeting someone similar to yourself? What was your personal experience in such situations?

No.

People who display anger or act excessively rude in public tend to scare me. Also, people who backstab or manipulate people.

I'm more likely to feel a connection to the one being hurt.

 

[Agnes]

No.

People who display anger or act excessively rude in public tend to scare me. Also, people who backstab or manipulate people.

I'm more likely to feel a connection to the one being hurt.

As a rule, such behavior is not always characteristic of highly functional individuals; outwardly, they may demonstrate a high degree of politeness. My question is based on the fact that both of the mentioned disorders are considered neurodivergences, and their carriers are typically marked by low empathy and high intelligence.

 

[the_tortoise]

Did you experience a sense of recognition or connection, as if you were meeting someone similar to yourself? What was your personal experience in such situations?

No....

People who display anger or act excessively rude in public tend to scare me.

I dont see anger as automatically "antisocial" or "psychopathic" -- public or not....it depends on context.

If someone is raging at another person who had done nothing or is afraid of them, I would also be afraid of the person raging and see them as dangerous. And not understand why they were being so cruel and vicious.

But I have seen people fight back against vicious albeit quietish (not quiet enough that bystanders including myself couldnt hear it or see it) abuse with rage after trying to tolerate it...I am not afraid of those people. I dont condone their responses but I feel
bad for them...I witnessed lots of instances of "the special kid" being mercilessly bullied until they couldnt take anymore and fought back or melted down -- the most sickening ones were when it was clearly deliberate provocation and the bullies would get away with their quiet abuse no matter how many witnesses vouched for the bullied kid with no ability yo be wuietly and manipulatively cruel (no this was not me - I was big enough and also slow-processing enough and pacifist enough none of the other kids whi bullied me at schiol managed to provoke me to violence, ever...when I would walk away I would actually get bullied even worse by bystanders too ....it was weird)

I'm also not afraid of people who are clearly having meltdowns directed at themselves or at nobody.

But people who are violent and/or cruel to control other people? No I dont relate.

 

[Matthias]

I think you'd find that people who exhibit psychopathic traits and antisocial behavior were bullied or abused when they were younger, which led to negative perceptions and a lack of empathy for others. If bad things happened to you, I can see how you would relate to them.

 

[Agnes]

I think you'd find that people who exhibit psychopathic traits and antisocial behavior were bullied or abused when they were younger, which led to negative perceptions and a lack of empathy for others. If bad things happened to you, I can see how you would relate to them.

No, this is primarily an innate condition; a normal person who was subjected to abuse in childhood often develops social phobia and becomes withdrawn.

 

[the_tortoise]

No, this is primarily an innate condition; a normal person who was subjected to abuse in childhood often develops social phobia and becomes withdrawn.

There are a wide varieties of ways people respond to abuse.

The concept of "intergenerational trauma" exists for a reason.

You seem like a troll so I am not responding anymore but I am sure others will.

 

[Agnes]

You could have kept silent, considering that my message was intended for someone else

 

[Matthias]

No, this is primarily an innate condition; a normal person who was subjected to abuse in childhood often develops social phobia and becomes withdrawn.

Science clearly shows that childhood maltreatment, abuse, and trauma contribute to antisocial personality disorder. It's not an innate condition.

Here's an example from one of many papers you can find on Science Direct and other academic journals:

The etiology of antisocial personality disorder: The differential roles of adverse childhood experiences and childhood psychopathology​

Using prospective longitudinal data, Fergusson, Boden, and Horwood [33] examined the association between childhood sexual abuse, childhood physical abuse, and ASPD and found that the prevalence of ASPD at ages 18–21 and 21–25 was two to four times greater among those that had been sexually abused compared to those who had not. Similarly, those who experienced regular physical abuse or severe physical abuse had ASPD at a prevalence that was two to seven times higher than those who were not physically abused.

 

[Agnes]

Science clearly shows that childhood maltreatment, abuse, and trauma contribute to antisocial personality disorder. It's not an innate condition.

Here's an example from one of many papers you can find on Science Direct and other academic journals:

The etiology of antisocial personality disorder: The differential roles of adverse childhood experiences and childhood psychopathology​

Using prospective longitudinal data, Fergusson, Boden, and Horwood [33] examined the association between childhood sexual abuse, childhood physical abuse, and ASPD and found that the prevalence of ASPD at ages 18–21 and 21–25 was two to four times greater among those that had been sexually abused compared to those who had not. Similarly, those who experienced regular physical abuse or severe physical abuse had ASPD at a prevalence that was two to seven times higher than those who were not physically abused.

Twin and family studies indicate that the heritability of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) ranges from 40% to 70%. Therefore, it cannot be claimed that ASPD is determined exclusively by genetics, nor can its occurrence be attributed solely to upbringing factors

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Have you ever come across people displaying psychopathic traits or other signs of antisocial behavior? Did you experience a sense of recognition or connection, as if you were meeting someone similar to yourself? What was your personal experience in such situations?

The problem I experience is that I really am blind to "intent" and "hidden meaning". It really puts me in a disadvantaged position.

It's not the individuals who are a bundle of emotional chaos... I know to steer clear of them. It's the friendly types, the ones that I think are simply friendly souls... not knowing they've picked me out of the crowd to be their next target of whatever twisted crap is brewing in their head. Usually, though, I have relied upon others to point out these things... usually in the form of a random conversation I've walked into as they are talking about this other person. In my mind I am thinking, "Wait... what?!" "I didn't catch any of that from them." So far, nothing has ever come of it, per se, but I apparently have a difficult time with identifying some of these individuals.

I often rely upon my inner circle of people to do some of the "weeding out" for me.

There have been times when I can watch a YouTube video of how to identify these individuals... and I think I do OK in that scenario. I can go on and on about identifying narcissistic, sociopathic, and psychopathic traits... but in real life... not so much.

 

[Agnes]

There have been times when I can watch a YouTube video of how to identify these individuals... and I think I do OK in that scenario.

Another method is watching films and interviews with such people. I have developed certain impressions that I subconsciously associate with psychopathic tendencies. In particular, extraversion, sociability, a constant playful mood often accompanied by a loud, almost announcer-like manner of speaking, as well as prominent facial features