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Autism and alcohol

Now, just for fun, look at it from a different perspective!

Anxiety is an epidemic. Anxious when you go outside? Anxious when you meet new people? Anxious around crowds? Anxious when you talk to boys/girls? Anxious for no reason?

Drink this and the anxiety is gone!

Now it sounds like a potion made by the world's savior. :)

The issue though is that it's really only temporary... and still comes with negatives that can actually outlast the benefit. It also produces no cumulative benefit over long periods.... but it DOES produce cumulative NEGATIVES, and those can get *nasty*. I had an uncle who had that... Liver damage, you see... and he wasnt an alcoholic or anything. Just liked having wine at times. It still did the damage after years of doing that. He's not around anymore. He died of pneumonia, but the liver damage would have killed him after another 3 years or so, the docs had said. Chances are, the liver damage didnt exactly help with the pneumonia situation. Liver damage aint the only way the stuff can ruin your life. Even worse though is that alcohol you consume can ruin OTHER people's lives (you may be thinking of something like "domestic violence" when I say that, but violence is not the only way this can do that to others around you). This is one of the reasons I think the stuff is so ridiculously stupid. And the thing about it is, people with the problem never realize the problem until it's far too late... and even then, by that point, they're addicted and cannot stop even though they know the issue is there. Often, they then spiral into depression.

One of the other reasons why I dislike alchohol so much is that not only is it only a stopgap measure, but it's a fake solution. It doesnt ACTUALLY cure your anxiety... you're just too muddled to feel it. Which is why it comes back when the alcohol is not in effect (and that's one of the many factors that can lead directly to addiction). The anxiety is absolutely still there, even if buried. If you want to REALLY be rid of anxiety caused by certain things, the only true method is to face down that particular thing.

Which is typically what I do... as a result, I have no need of the stuff. After all, when done right, the method I use is *permanent*. And comes with no negatives, temporary or otherwise. And hell, some things CANNOT be even temporarily removed from anxiety with alcohol. Got anxiety over driving? Alcohol aint gonna fix it... but it will put yourself and others in danger.

Which is another thing: Using the stuff to deal with your social anxiety? Well, I hope you aint planning on driving anytime soon. I dunno about everyone else, but I really like to be able to use my car without restrictions. I also hope you're willing to deal with unexpected social effects. One thing that ALOT of people who drink never seem to spot is how others perceive them when they've had alcohol in them. Someone who has been drinking may think they become a real social butterfly, but unbeknownst to them, those around them may be seeing them as a stumbling fool due to the negative effects. THAT one, I have experience with. A certain family member used to drink alot for that very reason... and frankly, ALWAYS made a damn fool of herself. It absolutely did not create positive impressions in others. It only finally ended when my own patience snapped one day due to her antics... I wont go into details there, but suffice it to say, she doesnt drink anymore. As a direct result, various situations involving her have improved drastically.


Honestly I could probably go on for a few more pages here, but there's not really too much point. AInt like it's going to change anyone's mind. I've said enough, I think.
 
Only on special occasions or during the holidays. I've already seen firsthand the long term effects that alcohol abuse can have, and that's not a road that I'm prepared to travel.

Side note: I had a few glasses of wine before typing this and it's Christmas day here in the US. Everything will be back to normal soon, but as much as it feels good at the moment, it's not a long term fix for anything.
 
The issue though is that it's really only temporary... and still comes with negatives that can actually outlast the benefit. It also produces no cumulative benefit over long periods.... but it DOES produce cumulative NEGATIVES, and those can get *nasty*. I had an uncle who had that... Liver damage, you see... and he wasnt an alcoholic or anything. Just liked having wine at times. It still did the damage after years of doing that. He's not around anymore. He died of pneumonia, but the liver damage would have killed him after another 3 years or so, the docs had said. Chances are, the liver damage didnt exactly help with the pneumonia situation. Liver damage aint the only way the stuff can ruin your life. Even worse though is that alcohol you consume can ruin OTHER people's lives (you may be thinking of something like "domestic violence" when I say that, but violence is not the only way this can do that to others around you). This is one of the reasons I think the stuff is so ridiculously stupid. And the thing about it is, people with the problem never realize the problem until it's far too late... and even then, by that point, they're addicted and cannot stop even though they know the issue is there. Often, they then spiral into depression.

One of the other reasons why I dislike alchohol so much is that not only is it only a stopgap measure, but it's a fake solution. It doesnt ACTUALLY cure your anxiety... you're just too muddled to feel it. Which is why it comes back when the alcohol is not in effect (and that's one of the many factors that can lead directly to addiction). The anxiety is absolutely still there, even if buried. If you want to REALLY be rid of anxiety caused by certain things, the only true method is to face down that particular thing.

Which is typically what I do... as a result, I have no need of the stuff. After all, when done right, the method I use is *permanent*. And comes with no negatives, temporary or otherwise. And hell, some things CANNOT be even temporarily removed from anxiety with alcohol. Got anxiety over driving? Alcohol aint gonna fix it... but it will put yourself and others in danger.

Which is another thing: Using the stuff to deal with your social anxiety? Well, I hope you aint planning on driving anytime soon. I dunno about everyone else, but I really like to be able to use my car without restrictions. I also hope you're willing to deal with unexpected social effects. One thing that ALOT of people who drink never seem to spot is how others perceive them when they've had alcohol in them. Someone who has been drinking may think they become a real social butterfly, but unbeknownst to them, those around them may be seeing them as a stumbling fool due to the negative effects. THAT one, I have experience with. A certain family member used to drink alot for that very reason... and frankly, ALWAYS made a damn fool of herself. It absolutely did not create positive impressions in others. It only finally ended when my own patience snapped one day due to her antics... I wont go into details there, but suffice it to say, she doesnt drink anymore. As a direct result, various situations involving her have improved drastically.


Honestly I could probably go on for a few more pages here, but there's not really too much point. AInt like it's going to change anyone's mind. I've said enough, I think.

1. If it being temporary means it's not a viable solution, then all of its temporary problems are also irrelevant, seeing as temporality is the basis of dismissal.
2. Your negative examples all involve excess. Everything in excess is bad.
3. I'm not saying alcohol is amazing and everyone needs to drink, but I do find your aversion to it exaggerated, which makes sense, judging by the experiences you've referenced.
 
1. If it being temporary means it's not a viable solution, then all of its temporary problems are also irrelevant, seeing as temporality is the basis of dismissal.
2. Your negative examples all involve excess. Everything in excess is bad.
3. I'm not saying alcohol is amazing and everyone needs to drink, but I do find your aversion to it exaggerated, which makes sense, judging by the experiences you've referenced.

Actually, the thing is, the problems I've seen in person didnt involve people that would even count as alcoholics. Except for the one female I mentioned, but even that was kinda iffy. Typically, most of them would only really drink at parties and such. But believe me, that was enough.

Like my uncle, for instance? Knew the guy my entire life. Never saw him reach the state of actually being visbly drunk. Not... even... once. Even despite how frequently I saw him (he and my aunt both lived in the same subdivision I did, and I was over there all the time). The guy was the sort to always be careful in all the things he did. VERY responsible person. But that didnt matter. The chemicals do what they do. And again, this was just from having some wine over time. Or a beer during football games, that sort of thing. "Excess" isnt necessary to produce permanent damage with something like this.

Anyway, what I say isnt so much exaggerated, but more so going along the lines that I just find the stuff *extremely* illogical. Like, if it does so many horrible things that it can ruin lives (and keep in mind: That doesnt have to mean someone is an alcoholic. They could have literally ONE time, and ONLY one time, where they ever actually get drunk... and it could still get someone killed on the road), or produce all these negative effects that accomplish nothing good... why in the numerous hells would I ever touch the stuff? Particularly considering my hobbies. Need my reflexes and coordination to always be fully intact.

And no, the temporary bit doesnt work for dismissal in that way. My point with that is: Trying to use it to solve a problem makes no sense: the solution, which again is fake, doesnt even stick. But it WILL produce all these negatives every single time it's attempted.... and some of the negatives DO stick. Liver damage, addiction... someone freaking dying in a drunk driving accident (which is a PERMANENT thing CAUSED by a TEMPORARY effect. It's not the only permanent type of negative that the "temporary" effects can cause, either)... those problems aint temporary. They dont go away. Zero permanent benefits, but plenty of chance for lots of permanent (and potentially life-ending) negatives. Again, there's no logical reason to ever go anywhere near it. Why would anyone ever risk any of that? Ugh, even saying that, I really, genuinely dont want to know. The reason would just give me a headache. Like most things in society.

Most of the time, I just ignore the whole thing... this topic here is probably the first time I've so much as mentioned any of it in a long while. My usual solution to the whole thing is that I simply dont allow anyone to have any when I'm around... period. Someone wants me to come to some event? Then nobody there is going to be having any. If someone does, I leave (and then someone will end up paying for that later on due to having wasted my bloody time). At this point, nobody I know is dumb enough to have any when I'm around, so the subject never comes up IRL.

Granted, in my world, it's usually irrelevant anyway even despite all that. Cant stand people in general, so I usually keep to myself. Considering this forum being what it is.... THAT one should be easy for many to understand, even if my reasons are different.


Argh, and here I am rambling about it again though. Bah. Always I do this! Bad habit. This time it really is enough. Best I stop before things go too far south. This forum is such a friendly place... doesnt need me getting super agitated for nothing resembling a good reason.

So.... yeah. Apologies for the ranting, I've gotten it out of my system. I apologize if I sound too negative of unfriendly (part of why I call myself "Misery). No offense is meant towards anyone here... frankly I always sound like this. Even if you talk to me about topics I really like, I will end up sounding like I want to murder something.

Hmm, if I'm ranting this bloody much, maybe I'm just overly bored... time I maybe get outside for a bit.

Have a nice day, everyone.
 
Actually, the thing is, the problems I've seen in person didnt involve people that would even count as alcoholics. Except for the one female I mentioned, but even that was kinda iffy. Typically, most of them would only really drink at parties and such. But believe me, that was enough.

Like my uncle, for instance? Knew the guy my entire life. Never saw him reach the state of actually being visbly drunk. Not... even... once. Even despite how frequently I saw him (he and my aunt both lived in the same subdivision I did, and I was over there all the time). The guy was the sort to always be careful in all the things he did. VERY responsible person. But that didnt matter. The chemicals do what they do. And again, this was just from having some wine over time. Or a beer during football games, that sort of thing. "Excess" isnt necessary to produce permanent damage with something like this.

Anyway, what I say isnt so much exaggerated, but more so going along the lines that I just find the stuff *extremely* illogical. Like, if it does so many horrible things that it can ruin lives (and keep in mind: That doesnt have to mean someone is an alcoholic. They could have literally ONE time, and ONLY one time, where they ever actually get drunk... and it could still get someone killed on the road), or produce all these negative effects that accomplish nothing good... why in the numerous hells would I ever touch the stuff? Particularly considering my hobbies. Need my reflexes and coordination to always be fully intact.

And no, the temporary bit doesnt work for dismissal in that way. My point with that is: Trying to use it to solve a problem makes no sense: the solution, which again is fake, doesnt even stick. But it WILL produce all these negatives every single time it's attempted.... and some of the negatives DO stick. Liver damage, addiction... someone freaking dying in a drunk driving accident (which is a PERMANENT thing CAUSED by a TEMPORARY effect. It's not the only permanent type of negative that the "temporary" effects can cause, either)... those problems aint temporary. They dont go away. Zero permanent benefits, but plenty of chance for lots of permanent (and potentially life-ending) negatives. Again, there's no logical reason to ever go anywhere near it. Why would anyone ever risk any of that? Ugh, even saying that, I really, genuinely dont want to know. The reason would just give me a headache. Like most things in society.

Most of the time, I just ignore the whole thing... this topic here is probably the first time I've so much as mentioned any of it in a long while. My usual solution to the whole thing is that I simply dont allow anyone to have any when I'm around... period. Someone wants me to come to some event? Then nobody there is going to be having any. If someone does, I leave (and then someone will end up paying for that later on due to having wasted my bloody time). At this point, nobody I know is dumb enough to have any when I'm around, so the subject never comes up IRL.

Granted, in my world, it's usually irrelevant anyway even despite all that. Cant stand people in general, so I usually keep to myself. Considering this forum being what it is.... THAT one should be easy for many to understand, even if my reasons are different.


Argh, and here I am rambling about it again though. Bah. Always I do this! Bad habit. This time it really is enough. Best I stop before things go too far south. This forum is such a friendly place... doesnt need me getting super agitated for nothing resembling a good reason.

So.... yeah. Apologies for the ranting, I've gotten it out of my system. I apologize if I sound too negative of unfriendly (part of why I call myself "Misery). No offense is meant towards anyone here... frankly I always sound like this. Even if you talk to me about topics I really like, I will end up sounding like I want to murder something.

Hmm, if I'm ranting this bloody much, maybe I'm just overly bored... time I maybe get outside for a bit.

Have a nice day, everyone.

I don't mind the "ranting". I enjoy the way you talk/type and find pleasure in hearing thought processes different than my own. Thank you!
 
That's not sarcasm, is it? :eek:

Nah. What I meant was, usually I just tend to get complaints from people after a rant like that. Heck, had one particular one devolve into a rather dumb arguement that ended with someone totally flipping out at me. Like, "nasty insulting direct message" level of flipping out. That was on this very forum, too. Not normally a place where anyone gets angry insults flung at them. I ended up bringing in a moderator and then blocking the person who was flipping out, something I haaaaate doing.

Unfortunately, some people have a hard time dealing with opposing points of view. I've never quite understood that. I mean, I meet lots of people that see things very differently from how I do, but that's never any reason to get angry at them... yet I see people do exactly that too often. Can be frustrating. And it's not like I expect people to suddenly change their minds and agree with me or something.
 
I am new, but this thread caught my eye. I personally have had issues with alcohol, It is no excuse, but I get so overwhelmed , I can't calm down. Especially if I am near people when not working. Being around people and being unable to say anything interesting was when I realised it helped me feel relaxed socialising. Later on, I knew it relaxed me... so I would drink alone if stressed. I still do at times.
I judge myself for this!I think alcohol is ok in moderation, but it can also be one of the worst drugs, if in excess.
 
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Bloody heck. That music did my head in. I endured it as I was interested in what you were saying. Looks to me like that beer belly likes alcohol a bit more than you admit. Yes, I have had a lifelong issue with alcohol. Primarily, for me it's to get me to fit in: 1. When I am drunk, I am excused as that and not just weird. 2. So I feel I can stay 3. So I can shut down these crazy thoughts aka pass out & 4. Maybe I can find that spiritual sense of self that so eludes me.
So, I guess none of these are great reasons for drinking. Alcohol is addictive though and for me, it has been a way of coping. I don't get into trouble, I isolate. This makes me drink more as I worry more. Alcohol makes everything worse. This is true.
So, in conclusion, I would say NO to alcohol. It does make life worse & harder to deal with. It's even harder to quit.
 
No friends and no going out means no peer pressure to drink. So, at least in my ages autism in fact defends me from alcohol addiction.
 
I enjoy alcohol and tend to have a few drinks on weekends (my current favorite thing is sparkling wine). I don't drink during the week (I make it a point to stop drinking about four hours before bed, so drinking after work is right out.)

What I've always found interesting is that addiction seems to be something that my brain just doesn't do - there have been times when I have had at least one drink every day for longish periods of time (months or years) and then I'd just lose interest and stop. I suspect if I had any withdrawal symptoms, I didn't notice them or didn't connect them to alcohol. (Rather than think "I feel like crap because I haven't had a drink, I need to drink" I probably thought "wow I must have a cold/the flu" and didn't think much more of it. If I had any symptoms at all.)

I also don't really understand the concept of continuing to do something that makes me feel like crap...I actually didn't finish my Percocet prescription when I had surgery because I would wake up in the morning feeling like an anxious angry bear and it occurred to me that this was due to the Percocet wearing off. Some people I guess would take MORE Percocet to make the "angry bear" feeling go away but I thought instead "well that made me feel bad when it wore off so why would I take more? It'll just make me feel bad again when it wears off."

I rarely get hangovers because I a) don't drink enough to get hangovers and b) avoid things that give me a hangover (sweet red wines are a complete no-go). Not all alcohol is equal in this regard and if something gives me a hangover I don't drink that particular thing again, or if I do, it's not very often at all.
 
I'm an alcoholic. Ended up in jail several times and delayed graduating from college. Lost a lot of academic progress, a lot of my potential, nearly died a few times. I will never touch it again.
 
I used to have a drinking problem. It's how I coped with being alone in the military while I was in. And then also how I coped with being in an abusive marriage. I've stopped drinking now and luckily it's tough to return to. The smell and taste of alcohol makes me sick to my stomach now. So many regular drinkers have offered me drinks that "you can't even taste the alcohol in!" and my gag reflex disagrees.

I don't mind others drinking btw. I just didn't have a healthy relationship with alcohol, personally.
 
My point with that is: Trying to use it to solve a problem makes no sense: the solution, which again is fake, doesnt even stick. But it WILL produce all these negatives every single time it's attempted.... and some of the negatives DO stick. Liver damage, addiction... someone freaking dying in a drunk driving accident (which is a PERMANENT thing CAUSED by a TEMPORARY effect. It's not the only permanent type of negative that the "temporary" effects can cause, either)... those problems aint temporary. They dont go away. Zero permanent benefits, but plenty of chance for lots of permanent (and potentially life-ending) negatives. Again, there's no logical reason to ever go anywhere near it. Why would anyone ever risk any of that? Ugh, even saying that, I really, genuinely dont want to know. The reason would just give me a headache. Like most things in society.

Most of the time, I just ignore the whole thing... this topic here is probably the first time I've so much as mentioned any of it in a long while. My usual solution to the whole thing is that I simply dont allow anyone to have any when I'm around... period. Someone wants me to come to some event? Then nobody there is going to be having any. If someone does, I leave (and then someone will end up paying for that later on due to having wasted my bloody time). At this point, nobody I know is dumb enough to have any when I'm around, so the subject never comes up IRL.

Granted, in my world, it's usually irrelevant anyway even despite all that. Can

Alcoholism, as well any/all types of addiction, are not about logic. No one becomes an addict out of logic/rationality. They do it to numb psychological pain. Linking back to the topic of this thread, autistic people tend to suffer from a great deal of psychological pain. Hence, we are prone to alcoholism, as well as other forms of addiction.
 
I personally don’t drink alcohol that much only because to me most things with it taste like hand sanitizer to me and make me literally gag. The only things I’ve had with alcohol that hasn’t caused me to gag are champagne, certain wines, wine coolers, this adult slushee my dad’s friend made for a party (not exactly sure what was in it), this raspberry beer I once had at a Christmas party, and I think schnapps. I don’t mind if people drink around me as long as they don’t attack me in any way. The woman who helped raise me became an alcoholic and started to verbally and emotionally abuse me pretty badly after she started to drink and she was the one who told me all the time that I could never live on my own or be fully independent and that I would always need her “to help” me. Honestly she had her own mental health issues and one of them definitely was the need to feel needed and the attention she got from others who sympathized with her as she told sob stories about how “awful” it was to take care of me and how tired she felt. Fortunately one bad alcoholic didn’t tarnish my view on it like being abused by an alcoholic has done to some other victims and survivors.
 
I've uploaded a new video last night.


In this video, I had discussed my views on alcohol.

I thought that I'll leave this there to discuss amongst yourself whether you perhaps drink or you don't drink.


i enjoy a few beers. but i no longer get drunk / messy. i pace myself and sort of "sit on a level" and then i take a break. still, would like to swap alcohol for energy drink, as i find, they both have the same effect on me.

Have you ever had a problem with alcohol? Some you have and needed to maybe go through rehab of some kind. I do drink, I am not a alcoholic, just like to drink to relax these days.
 
I've been sober for nearly 7 years now. I developed a binge drinking problem throughout early adulthood. I drank to dampen sensory input and to more easily mask (and to get me through the stress of college), but it did me a lot of damage. I wasn't an angry or destructive drunk. I was often told that I didn't appear drunk at all despite having imbibed a LOT of hard liquor; I was probably even more friendly and social than I actually am in reality. Despite that, it physically and mentally took a nasty toll on me. I now know that drinking in moderation is not something that is possible for me, so I avoid it altogether. I really don't recommend others use it as a "social lubricant" or to treat anxiety.
 
I've been sober for nearly 7 years now. I developed a binge drinking problem throughout early adulthood. I drank to dampen sensory input and to more easily mask (and to get me through the stress of college), but it did me a lot of damage. I wasn't an angry or destructive drunk. I was often told that I didn't appear drunk at all despite having drank a LOT of hard liquor; I was probably even more friendly and social than I actually am in reality. Despite that, it physically and mentally took a nasty toll on me. I now know that drinking in moderation is not something that is possible for me, so I avoid it altogether. I really don't recommend others use it as a "social lubricant" or to treat anxiety.

agreed. i am in the process of quitting. i realised i am not myself when i drink, i use it as a masking tool and a sensory damping tool also. i feel"fake" when i drink. and it becomes a habit. and i can and have become addicted in the past, and it makes me irritable, the next days following. i have an app now, on my phone, that tracks my progress to being sober.
 

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