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Aspergers Woman & Predators

DogzSpirit

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First, before I discuss my perspective regarding women, let me acknowledge that those who present differently seem to have a hardship of attracting bullies, be they male or female. I understand this has happened to many who are on the spectrum.

Bullying, in elementary school, always struck me as something, akin to fish in a tank. One fish stands out and the others go after that fish. That bully is rather mindless, and in fact often is hunting due to his/her own family disfunction and lack of self esteem.

Prior to my self diagnosis, I never understood why they (bullies) homed in on me. In spite of my mother explaining their disfunction and therefore encouraging pity for such humans, I was at a loss. Why do they always find me?

Turn the page to the present. I am older, wiser, and quite POWERFUL. Self diagnosis - Aspergers. Now I understand.

YET, This diagnosis seems to fall under the radar for women. In my case I went through life, tackling my fears and making them my power. Where I was not admitted, I forged through, creating my own social stage.

In hindsight, I have rehabbed myself. No matter how I shook, sweated, or turned red in the face.

Group presentations age 30: Upon return to college... My experience giving presentations was so horrid, that yes, I did shake, sweat and turn red. I was ridiculed by a fellow student for that (she was approximately 50 years old) and she enjoyed the H out of it, pointing this out in front of a group of our fellow students. At that point, I was not taking prisoners. I set her straight and told her to keep watching, that this would be resolved rather soon. She laughed saying yeah sure, this is you for the rest of your life! I laughed to her face and said enjoy the amusement while ya can.

Socializing age 40: I organized a recreational pursuits group, consisting of a very off the mainstream population. I made the rules, which stressed inclusivity. I in essence created my 'ideal world' to overcome my social aversions.

Work age 30: I opened my own business, advocating for those who had physical disabilities and/or older and handicapped. My clients wings which were clipped, were grown back. I decide who I interacted with, and no one had a say over me or what I did. I worked solo.

Marriage prior to age 40: I left two spouses. Each spouse I left, seemed to be drawn to my meltdowns. Those meltdowns were brought on by a persistent emotional strategy on their part. They were attracted to much in my personality, but make no mistake- They were seeking a wife who could be hurt emotionally and produce a rush, via response. It was insanity at best, to acknowledge that craving they had in regards to bringing me to meltdown. I was out of there.

Misc prior to age 20-40: There were many who were less skilled at hiding their attraction to my uniqueness and areas to fix/exploit. Those were promptly kicked to the side and disposed of.

These examples above, are a pattern that if this happened with me, I imagine it happens with other women. Women for we are somehow, what are the words for this... Prey? Weaker sex? Targets? I believe my (our?) Aspergers traits, gives off a scent in a manner of speaking. How we carry ourselves, our quirks, and yes sometime even nuances in chemistry- as it applies to even sensuality (which in my case has always been part of my personality), pulls these people towards you, and invites quite a bit of ill intent.

An Aspergers woman must learn to navigate such waters. In an ideal world, they would do so prior to crossing paths with the sick souls in society. I myself was fortunate, for my mother/mentor, was unbelievable in speaking of such and cluing me in. She had no such experience herself in this area. How she knew there were mentally ill predatory people out there, is beyond me. Then to top that off, my parents, and grandparents marriages were such great examples of what a relationship should be.

Yet, I botched up on two marriages, and had to push the reset button. Yes, I was young. Very young. The naive Asperger's nature of my wiring was untrained, and oh so attractive to those of a predatory nature.

Those who know what a meltdown is and have a diagnosis (and counselor/life coach), have an added layer of protection and awareness. I imagine that it would be very unsavory for a predatory suitor to go after a woman whom is being educated and consulted with on her Aspergers/Autism wiring.

Yet, the insult here is that most women with Aspergers will not be diagnosed when younger. They will stream through all the pitfalls of life's challenges, unaware, unaccompanied, unassisted and undiagnosed.

I know that advances are being made, to revise testing for girls/women. I think that it is tragic that this is and will remain so lacking for many more years to come.

I CANNOT EVEN FIND A SPECIALIST WHO IS FOCUSED/FAMILIAR RE: ASPERGERS WOMEN, on the East Coast/greater WashDC/MD/VA/DE area. Sure you can self diagnose. Just try finding a professional who is versed on Women with Aspergers in your area. If you do, you are amongst the few fortunate. I am tech and resource abled, and if I cannot locate this, what chance do others have?

Thanks for listening. I am rather frustrated with the lack of resources in this one area that falls under this HUGE umbrella of spectrum.
 
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Good points raised. It does seem indicative of a sad dichotomy.

While predators are able to sense something different about you, our medical community continues to reflect an inability of properly identifying and treating autistic women. It speaks rather poorly of society, not to mention so many who feel autism is primarily a children's issue.

We have such a long way to go when it comes to understanding autism even if only in part. :oops:
 
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Never had any issues with bullies. Older and younger brother much larger than I was, kept to my self. easy to read them out smart them. Heard stories of of my fellow Aspie brothers on attempted bulling did not end well. no one went near them again.
 
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My (Big/Older) sister, who may be on the spectrum, had a double whammy handed to her. She was a premie/had severe hearing loss. Those bullies also were attracted to her, but she WASN'T the type if something was broke or bruised, to break into tears. In fact I never saw her cry, until she was an adult/much later in life. I saw the teasing/attacks going on (both physical and verbal), and shy little me who could barely speak would stick by her side as she launched a return assault, with whatever was handy. It was horrific. But I was so impressed she handed their head back to them. They definitely learned to stay clear of her. Same in school... Mean girls... I remember my mom being called because the weapon (my sister used) was a baseball bat and target was their head. I appreciated what drove her and what went down prior to these incidents.

My son (who knows if he is on the spectrum or just unique in another way) had some issues with kids in school. I said look, check for adults, then give the bully your all. One big bad bully that the entire class feared, pulled under the desk when the teacher was out of the room, earned him respect. The other kids were grateful and no one mentioned anything, everyone returned to seats prior to teacher returning.

Me, I was just some undersized super tiny kid. In hindsight I should have been taught martial arts.

@Ronald Zeeman I did indeed apply lessons I learned, to how I raised my kids. They were always protectors of the underdog in school. Justice was the theme that ran throughout my raising them. I sent both to Taekwondo classes.
 
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Mmy older brother was different than most people, I remember in public school the teacher tried strapping him he turned the table strapped the teacher. He got a job way up north while on a university work term he describred to me how to handlle yourself in a bar fight with multiple attackers, basically ignore the others concentrate on one and beat the crap out of him. I think he had a high tolerance for pain. did not talk much very modest. I miss him. he was a weird combination of very smart , strong like ox. did not care about education genius at math and physics.
 
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I know what you mean about bullies. I had lots of run one. My left leg has an indent in it. Because one kicked it with a steel toe boots for a year. I got stabbed with a pencil in highschool in my butt. By a guy I thought I was truly going to have to fight. Which would have been a disaster with my "wolf state." I actually got into two fights in elementary school. Then was tricked and flipped in two instances by bullies that knew karate. But, I was somewhat lucky. Others stood up for me. They never quite stopped though. It's another part of the reason I exercise so much.
 
I only got in a fight once in my life on a school bus. just used brute force just squeezed the guy un til he broke out crying. he was forced to appogize to me by the school after wards. like my brothers I am unusually strong through not as big as them. also have a sense of fearless no sure where it comes from, I have no interest in martial arts. wife loves watching mixed martial arts
 
I think training skills, like martial arts and life coaching, is of extreme value when you are on the spectrum or an attractant for bullies. I was small, and could run much faster than the bulkier kids. The bullies were usually large kids, picking on the smallest of classmates. So brave... NOT.

At any rate, I think this wiring in a female form, is a lure for those and other predators.
 
M y sister an Aspie also A geologist once ran a crew of rough rednecks out in the bush years ago she made sure she laid the law down she was in charge. I guess having four older brothers prepared her.
 
Think woman are a target period, with or without our dx. I am very feminine and smaller, and l definitely notice that the macho type guy who needs to prove himself seems to be drawn to woman like me. In high school, there was a boxer that really scared me in class because he seemed obsessive. As females, we are the weaker sex and can be targeted period. So you have to learn this early on.
 
@DogzSpirit
To me, marriage is a piece of paper that a good majority of men use to abuse woman.

I remember my husband's words clearly, go ahead and call the police, they won't do anything. Another thing he said to me- why don't you hit me, why don't you jump out of the car? These words are clearly etched in my brain until l turn to dust. I can still hear him.

Now l know marriage is a lie. There are woman happily married now but at any time, that can change.

Just say no to marriage. So much easier.
 
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I CANNOT EVEN FIND A SPECIALIST WHO IS FOCUSED/FAMILIAR RE: ASPERGERS WOMEN, on the East Coast/greater WashDC/MD/VA/DE area.

One of my favourite "hidden gem" sites is the Other-Autism directory of vetted professionals with experience with working with adult women.

Looks like there's three psychologists in Maryland that you could try reaching out to:

Jessica Hasson, PhD (Rockville, MD)
Kara Goobic, PsyD (Silver Spring, MD)
Donna Henderson, PsyD (Silver Spring, MD)

(Also a social worker in Virginia)
 
I was bigger than most of the other kids my age by the time I was eight.
There were a lot of kids that made fun of my height, looks, even intellect.
And it does seem we have a built in bully magnet.

I always stood up for myself and learned to speak back at the insults.
Even though I didn't want to start fights, there were a few times I was provoked to respond.
Once a girl I didn't even know came up to me in the school yard when I was getting my bike
to go home and said she wanted to fight me.
I just stood tall and put on the tough look and asked her if she was sure she wanted to fight me?
The bluff. It worked. She backed down and ran away. Never did know who she was.

Only once did a boy pull a physical act on me walking home from school.
He ran by me and pushed me sideways while grabbing my purse.
I caught up to him and lifted him against the side of a brick building.
He dropped my purse and that ended that.
Again, in middle school, and I didn't know him either.
Probably just a little wise A that thought he could over come a girl and take what he could steal.
 
I was bigger than most of the other kids my age by the time I was eight.
There were a lot of kids that made fun of my height, looks, even intellect.
And it does seem we have a built in bully magnet.

I always stood up for myself and learned to speak back at the insults.
Even though I didn't want to start fights, there were a few times I was provoked to respond.
Once a girl I didn't even know came up to me in the school yard when I was getting my bike
to go home and said she wanted to fight me.
I just stood tall and put on the tough look and asked her if she was sure she wanted to fight me?
The bluff. It worked. She backed down and ran away. Never did know who she was.

Only once did a boy pull a physical act on me walking home from school.
He ran by me and pushed me sideways while grabbing my purse.
I caught up to him and lifted him against the side of a brick building.
He dropped my purse and that ended that.
Again, in middle school, and I didn't know him either.
Probably just a little wise A that thought he could over come a girl and take what he could steal.

You have some girl balls alright. I was at a empty school yard on a swing,and a young jerk ran up and grabbed my hair as l was swinging. My schooling was pretty laid back.

I have stood up to two groups of people. Stood up two to girls coming after me. Decided my legs were going to kick so l thought fast. May not have much going for me but l can quickly come up with a game plan. You need to be on the defensive if you are female. Because random violence is a possibility. I encountered this quite a few times living in Hollywood. You had to eyes in the back of your head, you had to see around street corners, and walking through store doors was another chance to be mugged. Life comes at you fast.
 
I was bigger than most of the other kids my age by the time I was eight.
There were a lot of kids that made fun of my height, looks, even intellect.
And it does seem we have a built in bully magnet.

I always stood up for myself and learned to speak back at the insults.
Even though I didn't want to start fights, there were a few times I was provoked to respond.
Once a girl I didn't even know came up to me in the school yard when I was getting my bike
to go home and said she wanted to fight me.
I just stood tall and put on the tough look and asked her if she was sure she wanted to fight me?
The bluff. It worked. She backed down and ran away. Never did know who she was.

Only once did a boy pull a physical act on me walking home from school.
He ran by me and pushed me sideways while grabbing my purse.
I caught up to him and lifted him against the side of a brick building.
He dropped my purse and that ended that.
Again, in middle school, and I didn't know him either.
Probably just a little wise A that thought he could over come a girl and take what he could steal.

You have some girl balls alright. I was at a empty school yard on a swing,and a young jerk ran up and grabbed my hair as l was swinging. My schooling was pretty laid back.

I have stood up to two groups of people. Stood up two to girls coming after me. Decided my legs were going to kick so l thought fast. May not have much going for me but l can quickly come up with a game plan. You need to be on the defensive if you are female. Because random violence is a possibility. I encountered this quite a few times living in Hollywood. You had to eyes in the back of your head, you had to see around street corners, and walking through store doors was another chance to be mugged. Life comes at you fast.
 
@DogzSpirit
Just say no to marriage. So much easier.

Most of these abusers meet a lousy end and life leading up to that end.
A pretty much worthless existence, and they know it WAY before they end up closing their eyes at the end.
Take them with you and you dim the brightness on your path up ahead.

Remember, their actions are a form of self hate.
They are pathetic products of their upbringing and mind.
Many are neglected and abused, yet they do not turn into that same monster.
They will continue to hate themselves and their lives, long after you leave.

As for marriage, it was just is not for the right reasons, on the abusers part.
Much like with other things in life, we learn by experience.
My mother called these people damaged goods. She was right.
 
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One of my favourite "hidden gem" sites is the Other-Autism directory of vetted professionals with experience with working with adult women.

Looks like there's three psychologists in Maryland that you could try reaching out to:

Jessica Hasson, PhD (Rockville, MD)
Kara Goobic, PsyD (Silver Spring, MD)
Donna Henderson, PsyD (Silver Spring, MD)

(Also a social worker in Virginia)

Victor, This is amazing. Thank you so much for reaching out and sharing this link/resource! WOW!!!
 
I was bigger than most of the other kids my age by the time I was eight.
There were a lot of kids that made fun of my height, looks, even intellect.

If given a choice lol and there is a retake, I come back a lot larger/taller, next life! I could have used a few of these experiences... grin.
 
At this rate, effective Girls/Women's Spectrum diagnostic tools will be understood... 50 years from now?
New study suggests males and females with autism should be researched differently
New study suggests males and females with autism should be researched differently | WOWK 13 News

Certainly. It stands to reason.

In as much as I can quickly identify an autistic male counterpart, I can't say for sure that I can so easily recognize autistic girls or women. Differently nuanced, and far more subtle IMO. Enough to fly under the radar of many a Neurotypical medical professional.
 
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