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Aspergers Diagnosis

Wilku

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Hello, everyone!
My name is Wilku. I am not autistic myself, but AspieCenral has been recommended to me by an austistic person I have met lately.

Me and my family have a problem regarding my nephew. He is 11 years old as I write these words, and my sister claims he has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome a couple of years ago. I say "claims", because, well, we are not so sure. It is very hard to confront my sister about it, because she tends to get very defensive or even aggressive, believeing that we doubt her out of spite. She is also a single mother, by the way, divorced not long after Nicholas was born. But let me start from the beggining.

Nicholas was born with child epilepsy (my sister had been rather stressed during pregnancy). He had a couple of epileptic attacks and started taking medication for it. He did not have any more attacks since he was about 1, he kept taking the medication however. Last year he was diagnosed again and the neurologist claimes that he had been healthy for years and should not have taken the medication for so long.

Now, Nicholas was always a very needy child, wanting to be in the centre of attention, always had a discipline and authority recognition problem. He is very hard to deal with and be around, because he's just really, really annoying. My sister used to say that he had trouble adjusting because of the meds, but when he was about 6, some neurologist said that perhaps Nicholas has Asperger's Syndrome. My sister loved the idea (I mean, she was really excited that it would explain all of Nicholas' behaviours), she never got a second opinion and I have never seen an official diagnosis. Now everything that Nicholas does is pinned on his autism.

Now about Nicholas himself. He is a kid who never actually lived through any consequence of his actions. He's rather loud, hiperactive and has a great need for attention - he will start singing at the dinner table (we usually meet for bigger occasions, like Christmas and so on), or try to out shout everyone so we listen only to him. He also has no concept of personal space, privacy or property. We always explain everything to him in the most logical way possible, but it never works. e takes or plays with things that are not his (and he knows it). He also has a very good grasp of what blackmail is and often uses it against us. If we scold him for something and of course explain why he is being scolded, he then complains to his mom, but he does so by leaving out the details that incriminate him making us look like picky, evil bastards. My sister often does the same thing, she can be really mean to people sometimes.

My sister is raising him in a completely stressless environment (I mean to the point of it being ridiculus). He lives in this bubble where he just has to say he's sorry and feel guilty about what he has done and all is forgiven. We're not allowed to punish him if he does something wrong even though we told him not to (I don't mean like beat him with a belt, but generally just execute some form of punishment, like no dessert, or something like that), because my sister will suddenly jump at us saying that he's sick and we should not pick on him.

Now a bit about my sister and her child raising methods. My sister is lazy. It sounds plain and kind of bleak, but it is the truth. She has never done anything that seemed like hard work for more than a couple of months. She has quite a comfortable life. Our parents bought her an apartment, a car, and also supported her until last year (she is 41 now). Untill then, she did some part time jobs, nothing back breaking. She believes in completely stressless child raising. Children should be treated like small adults, talked to a lot, and never actually punished, because that would be wrong. The thing is that perhaps those methods work, but since, as I said, my sister is lazy, she does not incorporate them very effectively. A couple of examples. Nicholas is playing with my mothers gold jewelery, trying to squeeze too small a necklace over his head. He knows he's not supposed to do it, because over the years he was repeatedly told not to. We know we cannot say anything because otherwise we are "picking on a sick child". My sister says nothing, just sips her wine and gossips. Other time he is playing with christmass tree ornaments. We keep telling him that it might not be the best idea, since they easily break and some of them are rather expensive. Of course he does not listen, breaks one, and runs shouting to his mom that he is sorry. My sister says "oh, it's okay, nothing bad has happened, grandma is not mad at you". And I know she was. I have tons more, I could write a book about situations like these. Usually my sister just shrugs it off, saying some psycho-babble about her being the leader of his herd, and therefore we should not say anything, because he only respects her word. She never does say anything though. She also almost never brings any toys for him when she comes to visit, so he looks for entertainment elsewhere.

Another thing is that, when Nicholas finds himself alone in a completely adult environment with at least one firm person, then after a couple of hours starts being a completely normal, obedient child. He went to camps (normal sport camps for kids), everything was fine. When he was left with my mother for a week, after one day he was cleaning after himself, getting dressed on time, didn't do too many silly stuff after telling him to knock it off.

Normally I just kept quiet and tried not to complain about him too much. But recently my sister got this great idea to bring him to this after-school class where moms with autistic children meet and try to work together with their kids. And here is the thing - to me my nephew is just a spoiled brat, with no concept of authority and discipline, so wouldn't it be offensive if he came to this group of actual autistic children, where mothers who had contact with the real thing come to try to make a better living for their children?

Sometimes I get the feeling that my sister actually knows that Nicholas is not autistic but, being a person who will never admit a mistake, just keeps quiet about it.

Recently we had a falling out over Nicholas during last Easter. My sister sent me and my mother a movie she recorded, where she's saying about how no one in our family talks about their problems, how my family is so perfect (I'm married and we have a 2-year-old daughter), and she's an outcast, and that we need to make a decision if we want to accept her the way she and Nicholas are or not. Just to clarify, both me and my brother talk to our parents about everything, be it good or bad, me and my wife put a lot of time into raising our daughter (who is a bit of a drama queen), and generally we all try very hard to be a whole family.

From my point of view Nicholas is a spoiled brat, who just always feels safe, and does not have to worry about consequences. And I really want to confront my sister about it. But I am worried that I am mistaken or missing something, and my nephew actually is sick himself and I'm just a terrible uncle who does not believe it.

That's why I came here to get some advice. Is there anything you can tell me, anything me or my mother can do? Should we talk to a doctor? What kind, is a neurologist actually a good choice? If you need more details, I will provide as much as I can.

Thank you in advance for all replies!

P.S. Sorry if I made any mistakes, English is not my native language and I hope I was understandable enough.
 
Wow

I totally agree with you, Wilku, on your idea about your sister and nephew; sounds horrible situation!

Oh and there is no need to say sorry about your English; EXCELLENT and actually many of us native of the English language could take heed to your English lol

It is ironic how many are struggling with a diagnosis and others, get the label just like that. Most certainly, Nicholas does not sound autistic but as you say, but a plain brat!

Actually, perhaps it is not such a bad thing that he goes to this autistic group; you see, it will soon come out whether he is or not and thus, allow them ie the therapist to "break it" to your sister that either he is or isn't.

Since joining this site myself, I have come to see that being on the spectrum means that: we have a saying here: once you meet one aspie, you meet - one aspie. In other words, we are all individuals have have our strengths and weaknesses. But so far, never heard of an aspie child acting in such a terrible way. Usually aspie children are actually rather quiet ie withdrawn, but the behavior of Nicholas is certainly that caused by bad parenting.

When you say that you have a daughter who is a "drama queen"? This makes me curious because it usually means being a spolt brat too, but the female version: for never does a boy get called: drama queen!
 
You certainly have your share of family challenges. But it doesn't sound to me like your sister is interested in any kind of Interference and in that case there seems little you can do about her or the boy.

It is always a good idea to learn more and if you hang around this forum, you will learn a lot. I also really like the writings of this young man who speaks about autism from his own experience, Website of James Williams Reading what he has to say might help you get a better understanding of how and why children on the spectrum behaves. I know it's helping me :-)
 
Defiance of authority, a constant need to be the center of attention and indifference to consequences...those might be symptoms more indicative of other personality disorders that exist. Some of which are sometimes confused with Autism Spectrum Disorder (Aspergers).

Of course as Suzanne posted, there may also be "parenting issues" to consider.
 
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If your sister thinks he does have it, it's worth checking out. The best place to start would be the family doctors, of Course though the child's mother would have to be there. It is probably the best thing to do at least then he and your sister can get any help they need. Autistic or not children need to learn right from wrong and need boundaries and consistency otherwise they are going to find it difficult in the adult world. If she is just using it as an excuse she is setting her son up to fail in life
 
While there might be reason to suspect your nephew is on the spectrum, it seems hard to tell with all the behavioral issues you've mentioned. Some of that could be autism, some the result of a chaotic upbringing. It is interesting that you say that his behavior improves dramatically once he is in a more structured and disciplined environment. That, as Suzanne said, could mean much of it comes from parenting issues. It would take a thorough assessment to untie that knot, and since your sister seems satisfied and relieved from the diagnosis they already received, it's unlikely to happen unless there is some need for intervention. While it is good that you and the rest of your family are concerned about this, I'm not sure how involved you should get.

I wonder how he behaves when it is just your sister and him, on their own. If he is that way all the time, how does she cope with it? Maybe the autism mom's group will give her some perspective. I don't think the others in the group would find it offensive, or that she and your nephew would be unwelcome.

Before I was diagnosed, out of curiosity I went to an adult support group for people on the spectrum. I thought that maybe I was intruding, that I would see that my issues are merely behavioral and habitual, and therefore I didn't belong there. At first, I was very uncomfortable (not surprising for an Aspie), but after a short time listening to the others in the group, I felt comfortable being there. Not long after that I was officially diagnosed.
 
Epilepsy is one of the possible comorbids of autism, and as others have said there can be some authority issues. But that kid sounds like a spoiled little brat with a spoiled little bratty mother! The kid's got potential if he can act normal after a few days at a camp, but his worth as an individual is in serious jeopardy around that poisonous woman. If nothing changes, either he's gonna grow up to be a self-entitled bum, or he's going to come to really hate and resent her because he's going to have trouble clawing out a place for himself in society.

Maybe that autistic group would be good for her, and hopefully not bad for the others. Because if she can see how other parents of autistic kids are successfully discipling their kids and making them mind like any other kid, maybe she'll figure out how to do it herself. Especially if there is a "weaker" autistic kid there where Nicholas appears to be the "stronger", because surely to goodness even she can bridge that gap and realize he's able to be disciplined.
 
Autistic or not, it does sound like he is being a brat.
Everything you have told us indicates to me that his mother is being an enabler. The fact that his behavior changes so drastically depending on his environment is also telling.

You can try to reason with your sister, but I wouldn't be surprised if she just became more defensive. Ultimately, you don't have much control in this matter. If I were in your position I would let her know my mind anyway and tell her that if she can't discipline her son then they aren't welcome over.
 
Wow, so many replies in such a short time! Thank you all for your support and advice.

A couple of things I forgot to write the last time as to why exactly I have turned to this site. We used to be a broken family. My parents are divorced, have always worked a lot and didn't spend much time at home. There was also some bad blood with my father, because he was never a very good parent. But about 10 years ago my mother started to pull everyone together again, so now we meet at family meetings in full - my mom, my father, my brother and sister. Often current partners of my parents also attend. And it's actually great, everyone has a good time, there is no hidden resentment or anything. It took a lot of work. And now whenever my sister comes with Nicholas they manage to spoil these meetings one way or another. I hate to say this, because in my mind it makes me sound like a horrible person, but one time they didn't come because they went abroad for christmass, and it was SO much better. But I don't want my sister to just shun away from us, because she doesn't want to believe that there might be a problem with her upbringing methods (or the lack of them) and not with Nicholas himself.

Another concern is that Nicholas likes to throw a tantrum if he gets scolded. I mean sometimes to the point of rolling on the ground, crying with a face full of tears and boogers. And now he just does that, but he's 11 now. In 3 years he will be taller and broader than my sister (who is a rather small person). Puberty hits everyone hard, but how will it affect a child like that? Will he just smash the doors behind him in anger, or will he key her car? Or worse? That's actually what I'm most worried about. He is also failing school, but not because he's dumb, but because he doesn't listen to his teachers (no authority recognition). My sister of course goes to the school all the time and blames all the teachers for their incompetence. I know there are bad teachers, I had my fair share of them, but they cannot be ALL bad and wrong, right?

And of course if she doesn't let us help her, and be more open minded to what we might have to say, we'll be a broken family again, and my mothers hard work will have gone to waste.

P.S. Suzanne, when I called my daughter a drama queen, I meant that she just makes us work hard with her, because she has a very strong character and likes to get her way ;) Also, even though she is already 2, she cannot speak yet because we live in a multi-lingual environment, so it's hard to communicate. But we're working on it. Most of the time she is quieter than Nicholas, who can speak very well.

Again, thank you for all the answers, and Karin, I will be sure to check out that website, thanks :)
 
I think it would be impossible for anyone but the right professionals to say which is which. I am currently living with my daughter in the children's psychiatric hospital while she is being examined (she stopped talking and walking) and there is a new boy that sounds a lot like this and he does have both autism and OCD.

He's probably 10 years old and can overturn a wardrobe in anger and when he goes off in the evening because he doesn't want to sleep in his room, you wonder if the door he's kicking is going to hold or when he will run his hand through one of the windows.
 
Wilku, you have no need to be concerned about your English; your command of English exceeds that of many native born speakers.

I will refrain from offering advice because I have very little skill or knowledge in the field of social interaction.
 

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