97% Of Older Men Don’t Realise Girls Ask THIS To Hit On You

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Spoiler: the questions

1. How old are you really
2. Why aren't you married
3. Do you date younger women
4. What kind of woman do you usually go for
5. Are you always this charming
6. Why don't you have a girlfriend now
7. Would you ever date someone like me

 

[Neonatal RRT]

You might fare better if you listened to women's advice about how to attract women.

There was a time back in the 1980's, at the beginning of all of this anti-masculinity, men are all simple, stupid creatures that there was a train of thought that, "When women describe their ideal man, they are describing a woman." What started out as a bit of joke morphed into something quite serious and destructive. Movies, television, commercials began portraying the typical masculine modern man into a bumbling idiot, the butt of the joke, and how any form of masculinity was automatically toxic, undesirable, or something to be made fun of. Fast forward to the 2020's and now you have this brutally toxic form of feminine toxicity fueled by the modern feminist movement. This "I don't need a man.", "Men are idiots", "I can do anything a man can." sort of tripe...unless it involves any sort of sensory discomfort or significant physical effort. You have an educational system that puts a heavy bias on female education and normal, active boys are "hyperactive", "disruptive" and need to be medicated in order to sit quietly in a classroom...while they minimize recess and gym class, and maximize homework...all but creating these "manatee body", squishy soft children who sit in front of computer screens all day. Meanwhile, normal masculine men are looked at with desire by women for sex during ovulation, but some sort of mild-mannered, "feminized", low testosterone, low libido version to actually be a husband and father. You have a choice, one or the other, and be happy with that choice...but you can't just someday decide to be "unhappy" and want a divorce...like 70-75% initiated by women...and not because of the man, per se. Divorced fathers are 8X more likely to commit suicide than divorced women.

Men look at that, and a long list of other contributing factors, and don't want to risk any emotions, money, or their lives.

I've been with the same woman for 40 years, but I've been through a lot of pain, discomfort, and happiness along the way. My wife is post-menopausal...and we survived the marital rollercoaster.

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"Movies, television, commercials began portraying the typical masculine modern man into a bumbling idiot, the butt of the joke..."


A natural enough progression after years of stuff like Father Knows Best.
Humor often depends on the unexpected and the surprise element
was amusing. Anything over done gets tiresome, of course.

 

[Masked Man]

My understanding of the term "toxic masculinity" is not that masculinity is toxic, it is the traits and behaviors that define masculinity.

For example, off the top of my head:

Suppression of emotion (except anger)
Aggressive behavior
Excessive competetivness
Excessive self-reliance

Basically, othering anyone who does not fit into a very narrow definition of the masculine gender role, especially if they even remotely do anything that could be considered feminine.

Because, according to men like this, being a woman is the worst thing ever.

The boys that are failing in school are not the ones in the higher social classes. The boys in higher social classes are doing fine. The problems with boys is one of social class. Girls that are part of middle and working class know that, for them, the only way out is through education. And since lower middle class and working class boys don't want to be seen as feminine, they are failing miserably.

And although I don't tend to believe in conspiracy theories, I do tend to believe that this is the desired outcome. To keep the plebs fighting so no one notices that our pockets are being picked.

 

[Hypnalis]

My understanding of the term "toxic masculinity" is not that masculinity is toxic, it is the traits and behaviors that define masculinity.

This is contradictory: it says that masculinity isn't toxic, but everything masculine is toxic.

The traits that occur in the majority of males are not fundamentally toxic.

In both XX and XY, a small proportion of the population (Dark Triad, ASPD) could perhaps be called toxic, but it's very few, and the split is about even XX and XY - the unpleasantness just manifests differently.

Your list is biased (XY only) but more importantly it's negatively framed, coded for "too much" of behaviors that are useful (productive, like competition, or necessary, like emotional regulation) in normal amounts.
"Suppression of emotion" is a great "tell", because "failure to regulate emotions and behaviors" is a very good indicator for antisocial behavior, and also correlates with poor upbringing. Which in turn correlates with single mothers (though it's not quite as simple as it seems at first glance).

So "suppression of emotion" is cast as negative, even toxic. But "appropriate regulation of emotions' is an absolutely essential learned skill (for both XX and XY) for normal socialization.

Here the examples of the different consequences of failure are well known to be sex-determined. For example:
* XX's become entitled "little princesses", trained by their upbringing to be narcissists, and grow into toxic, selfish, exploitative adults.
* XYs have poor impulse control, a tendency towards violence, and are generally also selfish and exploitative.

Which causes more harm?
They don't do the same kind of damage, but I'd go with 50/50 in terms of their negative effect on society.

BTW "excessive self-reliance" is comical. I suppose you're trying to code for something real, but as stated it's not worth commenting.

Extreme selfishness, indifference to the discomfort of others, merciless exploitation of others for personal benefit - they're worth a few words. But they are "unisex vices", so they're usually framed differently.

Men are not defective women.
And no successful society, even the unbalanced ones of the far past, treated women as defective men.

 

[Masked Man]

This is contradictory: it says that masculinity isn't toxic, but everything masculine is toxic.

The traits that occur in the majority of males are not fundamentally toxic.

In both XX and XY, a small proportion of the population (Dark Triad, ASPD) could perhaps be called toxic, but it's very few, and the split is about even XX and XY - the unpleasantness just manifests differently.

Your list is biased (XY only) but more importantly it's negatively framed, coded for "too much" of behaviors that are useful (productive, like competition, or necessary, like emotional regulation) in normal amounts.
"Suppression of emotion" is a great "tell", because "failure to regulate emotions and behaviors" is a very good indicator for antisocial behavior, and also correlates with poor upbringing. Which in turn correlates with single mothers (though it's not quite as simple as it seems at first glance).

So "suppression of emotion" is cast as negative, even toxic. But "appropriate regulation of emotions' is an absolutely essential learned skill (for both XX and XY) for normal socialization.

Here the examples of the different consequences of failure are well known to be sex-determined. For example:
* XX's become entitled "little princesses", trained by their upbringing to be narcissists, and grow into toxic, selfish, exploitative adults.
* XYs have poor impulse control, a tendency towards violence, and are generally also selfish and exploitative.

Which causes more harm?
They don't do the same kind of damage, but I'd go with 50/50 in terms of their negative effect on society.

BTW "excessive self-reliance" is comical. I suppose you're trying to code for something real, but as stated it's not worth commenting.

Extreme selfishness, indifference to the discomfort of others, merciless exploitation of others for personal benefit - they're worth a few words. But they are "unisex vices", so they're usually framed differently.

Men are not defective women.
And no successful society, even the unbalanced ones of the far past, treated women as defective men.

Can you please put this into a short paragraph, and use normal language? I can't understand what you're trying to say. This makes no sense.

 

[Hypnalis]

Can you please put this into a short paragraph, and use normal language? I can't understand what you're trying to say. This makes no sense.

No.

I suggest you limit yourself to the declarative statements, and ignore the explanations. The message is the same, but that way it's much shorter and simpler.

 

[Masked Man]

No.

I suggest you limit yourself to the declarative statements, and ignore the explanations. The message is the same, but that way it's much shorter and simpler.

I'll just skip it then, thanks.

 

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1. How old are you really

In my experience this question means "Go away." or "Grow up!".