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"You wouldn't do that to your child, why would you do that to your dog?" Part 1

"You wouldn't do that to your child, why would you do that to your dog?"
Ugh.
I hate this phrase. I hate it.
I've seen this mantra repeated multiple places on the internet, written by dog lovers, sometimes even by professionals who work with dogs.
They say "Oh, you're sending your dog to a no-kill shelter because your child is allergic to it: would you send your child to an orphanage if your dog was allergic to it?"
They say "You wouldn't use (insert aversive tool of choice here) on your child, why would you use it on your dog?" (By the way, in terms of discipline people in our culture are far harsher towards our children than we are towards our dogs (dogs do have it harder in other ways, such as getting euthanised frequently); and that's a subject for a different post).
"You wouldn't do that to your child, why would you do that to your dog?"
Ugh.
One's child is not the same thing as a dog. It just isn't the same. It just isn't. This is a bad analogy. It really is.
First of all, a human being does have more worth than a dog. Secondly, a parent's relationship with their child should be closer, more loving than their relationship with a dog. But even if it isn't, a human being is worth more than a dog.
Don't get me wrong; the bond between human and dog can be very close. Sometimes I think I'm closer with my dog than with any human. He certainly treats me better. But all the same, a human being, even one whom I hate, is objectively worth more than my dog whom I love.
So, the action towards dogs which you are criticising might be wrong or ill advised, it might be, but don't use this phrase to argue against it. Because a human being is not the same thing as a dog. And one's child is not the same thing as one's dog.

Edit: P.S. I would like to clarify that I believe we have a moral responsibility to treat animals well. There are some things that one shouldn't do to a dog. So I agree with people speaking out against inhumane treatment (what treatment is inhumane, and what is justifiable is another question, and a complex one). I'm not complaining against such speaking out. I'm only complaining about the use of a very specific phrase, a particular bad analogy, a specific weak argument...

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Funny you should bring this up as I find myself in a slightly similar predicament.


I recently got a rescue dog (two year old basset hound), and in the first 24 hours it urinated on my carpet, bit my child (second degree, only marks were bruises), and within the first week we realized my wife had developed a mild allergy to dogs sometime in the past few years. After all of that I find the people I talk to fall into one of two categories, one being "why on earth do you still have that dog?", and the second being one of understanding why I still have the dog.


Truth be told there is nothing wrong with either thought process as they are simply a byproduct of how an individual regards a pet within their home. Which truth be told is a highly personal decision whether they realize it or not.


So when I say that I still have the dog that my wife is allergic to, and that bit my child after peeing on my rug my answer to them is "it's because he is a rescue, if I expected this to be easy I would not have adopted a dog that was someone else's problem". For me my thought process in how I regard animals is almost directly a result of my upbringing and my prior experience with animals that others decided to throw away. In my youth my mother was a foster for displaced dogs where we would attempt to identify their problems and rehabilitate them so they would have a good second chance. In that time I learned a few things, the most important of which (to me at least) was that these are sentient beings and people often forget that. Many regard a dog as a form of entertainment for them, much like a tv, however if you can't program your tv you return it, a dog however you cannot program period. So when people get an animal they forget it has it's likes and dislikes and they may or may not coincide with your expectations of the dog, for me this is not a deal breaker, just something to work on, others however will quickly determine this to be a reason to get rid of the dog.


In my team dealing with rescues I seldom encountered a dog that simply lived in "the red zone". Most dogs that had aggression issues or problems in general stemmed from something that happened to the dog during its life, whether it be poor training, or something traumatic that left the dog with a fear response towards it. In my case I had a fear aggressive dog that was acting spitefully, these are not things I can't fix it is simply a matter of counter conditioning. I've had the dog two weeks now and the dog is no longer nervous / feels the need to defend(the reason it bit my child was simply because she didn't know to leave sleeping dogs lie and scared it), it has not had anymore accidents in my home, and it has been crate trained. All in all the aforementioned dog that many told me was simply a bad dog that I needed to be rid of has proven to be a very well balanced and obedient dog. So if it is so easy to fix then why do people still so quickly respond to a "troubled animal" with rejection? This is the point I was getting at, everyone has their priorities when they get an animal, if you are looking for a source of entertainment that you can program to behave as you like then your might be in for some trouble.


This of course is all simply just my opinion and is not meant to discount anyone else's as they are all equally valid as they apply to the person whom holds them.


I apologize for writing a blog entry on your page.....
 
I agree strongly with the part about how annoying, okay, hateful it is for people to use that phrase.
It'd make me instantly think badly of whoever said it.

The part I disagree with, and it's subjective, is whether someone I truly hated was worth more than my dog. If I had a dog. A moral failure on my part. I should give it more thought.
~ k
 
Well, that is an interesting and kind of philosophical question. I would have to give a lot of thought and time before I would feel competent to write about it in depth.
 
I did forget to mention however, I agree that comparing ones dog to a child is a bad analogy. While I take my pets very seriously, i would not weigh them against my children. It's a gross over simplification at best.
 
Exactly. Like those who use it expect that whoever hears it to be so impressed with their persuasion skills, and really it totally sucks eggs as far as validity. Apples csn't be compared to oranges.
 
Right, while many consider the lengths I would go towards out of care for an animal to be in the realm of extreme, they simply pale in comparison to what I would do for my child.
 
I find my answer changing when I watch my pronouns: any dog? my dog? any child?

I turned a corner around my house once and found the 7-year-old next door standing on a concrete block with a medium-sized rock in his hands, overhead. Staring down at my 2-year old, who was looking up at him adoringly.

Everything went in to extreme slow motion as we stared at each other. I am as certain as the sun that he knew I could not get there in time; and that he could not get away.

He stepped off the property and disappeared. And my sun, my son, laughed, and light bounced from the leaves in my garden. The splinter of cold in my soul has never really melted.

I don't get starry-eyed about children or dogs. Either one is a predator. And if I'd had a dog, I would have sicc'd him on the threat to my son without hesitation.
 

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