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To the NT parent of an Autistic kid whose comment I once read -- yes, we do suffer.

I saw on an "Autism Parents" type website one time a line from an NT parent of a child with a more severe rendition of Autism that was something along the lines of "Asperger's/HFA isn't really Autism. People who supposedly have Asperger's don't know what it's like to really have Austism." Basically, he was frustrated over his young child's meltdowns, regression, delayed speech, and the fact that the child might forever be dependent on the parents, and evidently thought that Aspies don't actually suffer, because it's not so outwardly obvious to him, and because some of us can be independent.

When I read that, some six months or more ago, I dismissed it for the ignorant, albeit judgmental, comment that it was. But times like what I'm dealing with right now bring my brain back to that comment and make me want to verbally ***** slap that man.

No, I didn't have a speech delay. No, I didn't get so overwhelmed just being in the world that I'd lash out in ways that baffled neurotypicals. That doesn't mean I don't suffer. I still have meltdowns. My independence is arguably a charade.

The reasons for my suffering are far more subtle.

I'm one of those people that sit in the convergence of the Venn Diagram of Gifted and Autistic. I could probably join Mensa if I was so inclined. Instead, though, I spend that intelligence (and energy) on just dealing with people and navigating the world, and to be honest, I feel like it gets harder every year (Pavlovian level conditioning doesn't help matters).

And that's where I'm at right now. I just started a new job about a month ago. It's nearly my dream gig -- work from anywhere, results-oriented, good coworkers. The only thing that keeps it from being completely a dream come true is the code base (I'm a developer) is quite old, so I'm basically maintaining legacy code.

But, thanks to the parts of communicating that I'm deficient in, I'm basically a ball of nerves, afraid to ask questions at this point. Why? Because the questions I ask are, from what I can gauge from the responses, pretty obvious to others. Never mind the fact that the things that are less obvious to others are obvious to me.

And that's how my mind works -- I'm basically backwards from everyone else. The way I think something should be, or the way I think someone would think of doing something, is the complete opposite of what most everyone else would do or say.

So, when I get stuck on something, I end up bombarding myself with a dozen different questions just to figure our whether I should ask the damn question.

Have I attempted to find the answer myself for a period of time that they would deem "long enough?"
Have I attempted for a period deemed "too long?"
What is a "long enough" time for this kind of thing? (Hell if I know.)
Is this something that they'll deem obvious?
How can I explain that it's not obvious to me, without looking like I'm lazy or stupid?
How can I do that without spending an hour doing so?
Is this worded such that I can get the answer I need and not be patronized?
Can I deal with the (nearly inevitable) "you're smart, you can figure it out" response, especially if it is obvious to them, and I can't get them to understand that it's not that I'm being lazy?

Having to go through this every single time I need to ask a question (and in my field, there are...or should be...quite a few) is utterly exhausting. It's really a wonder I don't have anxiety attacks or meltdowns more often.

And, it's not just questions, but conversation in general that doesn't revolve around something like work. The questions revolve more around things like "will the person be interested in this?" and "how can I talk about it without seeming obsessed or rude by taking over the conversation?" Of course, that first question tends to shut my brain down for the matter of bringing that topic up, which does wonders for my marriage *eyeroll* (/sarcasm).

To compound the matter, I'm at a point in my life and career that I can't not wear the mask that allows me to pass as neurotypical, unless I want my career to regress back to somewhere around the point that I was still in college.

So yes, Mr. NT Father, I do suffer. I suffer pretty greatly. In ways you'll never even begin to understand. Because, you know, having to consciously think about the things your subconscious handles at warp-speed, while your conscious mind is blissfully unaware of the calculations, is so much fun *eyeroll* (/sarcasm).

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I couldn't have said it better myself. I go through the same mental gymnastics every day of my life. Should I ask that question or is this something I "should" know, and by asking open myself up to ridicule?

I'd also like to add, outwardly some of us might be "successful" in the sense of being independent but when it comes to relationships we strike out every time. We get rebuffed, rudely. We might not show it, but we feel these things quite deeply. We suffer every day from microaggressions and slights, It doesn't matter if people know or don't know the name of our particular diagnosis. All that matters is that we are different and that makes us fair game.
 
I don't think Aspergers should be listed on the Autism spectrum. Personally I think it is different. I hope that parent in the NT was not my ex, he has an autistic son who never responded to anything.
 
"In the absence of an extensive developmental history of language and social development, two normally intelligent young people, one with autism, the other with Asperger’s disorder, both presenting with social difficulties, and a history of repetitive, stereotyped behaviour, may appear to have the same struggles.The common challenges and interests may even be the bedrock for a wonderful friendship between a child with autism and Asperger’s disorder."
Telling the difference between autism and Asperger’s

From a professional standpoint, there does seem to be very distinct similarities between someone who possess the diagnosis of "Autism Spectrum Disorder (HF or LF)" or "Aspergers", so much in fact, I believe, was the reason why the diagnosis of Aspergers was pushed into the diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

From a personal standpoint (my disclaimer - this is not fact, just opinion), I feel that the 'main' difference between the two diagnoses is social willingness. People with Asperger's feel more of a need to integrate into the social world, more than people with mainline Autism (though of course, the new DSM changes this terminology). Could this be choice, or is it something genetically ingrained?

I find that NT parent's stance on Autism to be terrible, I feel bad for his Autistic son - ostracized by his own family. From reading the forums here I think that many of us have similar struggles.

Why does Autism have to be a bad thing?

Why, just because I'm not displaying the some of the symptoms that you deem 'bad', I'm not Autistic enough for you? Who has the right to really deem what is 'good', and what is 'bad' regarding Autism? For example, if you go to another country that has an entirely different culture to yours, does that somehow devalue the people that take belong there? People need to stop viewing Autism as something similar to a disease, and treat it the way it is - a different way of thinking. If people did this, I think many Aspies would find life far easier and would be more likely to open up to others socially and be more involved with others.

Spinning Compass I completely agree.

cairnsbird - I would like to read about why you don't believe that Aspergers should be listed on the Spectrum. I'm simply curious as to why you hold to that opinion.
Regarding the autistic son who never 'responded' to anything, this doesn't necessarily mean that he is not taking it all in, mentally. Often enough, I appear to be in my own little world (as many Aspies are) but I'm also paying a great deal of attention. Though, this lack of response also seems to line up with my theory of social willingness; however valid, or invalid, my observation could be.

By the way dragonwolf , it was an excellent blogpost to read. So props to you :)
 
Hello. I'm so glad to hear from you. I was wondering if you or some of the people who have commented might help me. I'm a psychoanalyst who works with special needs kids and others. I'm writing a book: Parental Intelligence: Finding Meaning in Your Child's Behavior. I have a chapter about a loving family with three sons, the youngest, a four-year-old just diagnosed with Aspergers. I'd like you and others to read it and give me feedback. Are you or any of the commentors interested?You can learn about me at my website if you wish, Home - Laurie Hollman, Ph.D. and my new blog,lauriehollmanphd.com/blog. I'd like to have topics about kids with Aspergers that you'd like me to write on my blog. Thanks.
Laurie Hollman, Ph.D.
 
Sev - I have a running hypothesis that Autism and Asperger's are at their hearts, input/output disorders. The commonality in every case that I've seen (granted, I'm by no means an expert), is difficulty with some form of input (difficulty processing speech, hypersensitive hearing or touch, etc), and difficulty with output (body language, speaking, etc).

When viewed in that light, everything else becomes coping or defense mechanisms, designed by the brain to keep from getting completely overwhelmed. It also means that Asperger's is Autism, which is backed up by the fact that the only difference between Asperger's and HFA is early child language development.

In my opinion, the presence or absence of language development (well, technically, speech development) isn't really any different than the presence of absence of any of the other symptoms of Autism. It's a spectrum, after all, and every other symptom is recognized to vary based on the person. Why should language/speech development be any different? And like everything else in early childhood development, there are "windows" in which it's considered "normal" vs a delay in a given milestone. The difference between "delayed" and "not delayed" can be as simple as the parent not knowing that the child's language development is a few months behind schedule (because as parents, we're often told that babies will learn these things in their own time, and some take longer for others; it becomes very difficult to tell at what point something goes from being "late, but still on schedule" to "delayed," and it doesn't help matters when some kids jump from barely speaking words to speaking full sentences). That child's speech development is technically delayed, and if reported as delayed, could mean an HFA diagnosis, but if not reported as delayed, could mean an AS diagnosis, instead.

As for social willingness, from what I can find, people with HFA still try to be more social, even trying to become/remain employed. Therefore, "social willingness" isn't really something that's unique to AS, though it might seem like it, because "Autism" often brings up images of those that are considered "low functioning," which usually have less "social willingness" for a variety of reasons. I think the differences in "social willingness" correlate with their ability to communicate with the world around them (both input and output) -- those of us with more ability to communicate to others and with a relatively higher threshold for dealing with input, can be more successful at passing as NT and have more "social willingness."

I actually just happened across this article, by a kid who was diagnosed with low-functioning Autism -- Life With Autism - by Michael Weinstein -- he was considered low-functioning pretty much solely because he couldn't communicate with those around him. As he learned to communicate, he was able to function more in a social setting. He went from being sectioned off in a "special ed" class, "learning" how to wipe off tables, to getting straight As in honors classes and looking forward to going to college (very likely on scholarships, and not just for his Autism).
 
Hi Dragonwolf,

I truly relate to everything that you said in this post. I just stumbled across it, but seeing the date posted I hope that things have gotten somewhat more comfortable for you in the last month. I've worked in programming and development, and I've found that there's a much higher prevalence of people that I'm comfortable with there than in the rest of mainstream society.

Regarding this arbitrary judgmental scale that's imposed on us about who suffers more than whom, we are all different people. Our experiences are not the same as those with more visible types of autism, but that doesn't make it any less painful. Because we don't appear to be disabled, society expect more of us. I've seen it stated in a few different places that because NTs cannot perceive our trials and our pain, they assume that we are capable of much more and we're just being lazy (do they remember what happens when you 'assume'?). What all of these articles stressed, and I agree with, is that the NTs that don't put any effort into understanding us don't realize just how hard we work every moment just to be able to achieve what we do. When they call us lazy, it proves that they aren't willing to do the work of reaching out to us. This has been an extremely common thread in my life, that people who don't understand constantly project onto me their own shortcomings. Ironic.

cairnsbird states 'it is different' ... which it is, but not in the way she believes it is. Aspies are different from autistic people just like each Aspie is different from every other, and each autistic person is different from every other. "If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism." Our suffering is different. I don't claim it's worse, because I'm not so arrogant as to think I know exactly what they go through. But NTs with autistic children would better understand their child if they realized that we have more in common with their child than they do ... and if they were to reach out and accept us, it may help them connect with their child. Maybe instead of blaming the child "who never responded to anything" and stepping in to our community to offend us & disregard our pain, they could reach out in understanding and form a better connection with their child. Every person has the right to live in ignorance if they choose, but when it adds to the burden of one who is dependent on them and may not be able to articulate or advocate for themselves, I can't just sit back and watch in silence. Everyone I've ever known has sat back in silence as I was blamed, abused, and misunderstood, but I make the choice not to perpetuate those mistakes. (And they insist that we "lack empathy"!!)

Let us move forward toward better understanding of each other, instead of looking for things to divide us and placing artificial dividers where none exist and none belong.
 
I have both Aspie traits and autistic traits...I am quite sure they are one and the same as I study autism more each day...I see that some do not have a grasp of what a spectrum really is. So many want to see labels that they do not see what is placed in front of them...the sticker happy want to stamp everyone with a title to feel important and educated,"it has a name now,so we can place it in a different spot than the other things we labeled" The DSM provides a guideline for spending money on different levels in the spectrum and excluding Aspergers is part of the NT stamping mechanism of "I don't understand it,so it has to be given a title so I can"
The main flaw in doing so is a very myopic way of looking at autism and trying to generalize it to suit an agenda that I will never understand. Blinded by narrowed thinking is not a way to help anyone no matter what place they hold in the spectrum.
Not all in the spectrum will display everything that the book says they should,as the spectrum does not have strict rules as to who gets what...a failure to see that is yet another failure in understanding the autistic mind...if anyone remembers their schooling,at one time they thought the world was flat and the ocean had a point of no return that sent you into an unknown abyss and no matter what type of propulsion you used,you were still going to drop off the face of the "flat" earth...show me that the labeling system is without flaws and I will buy into it...until then I will sit here and laugh at those who do not get autism on so many levels...lower function non-verbal autistics may have something special that we as verbal autistics do not...we inside the spectrum all march to beats of different drummers and maybe the non-verbal have a wonderful tempo that some find hard to believe even exists.

Try to put a sticker on me and you will probably get smacked...then decide if my autism hit you,or the aspie part did...there's your new label to ponder now, get your post-its out and have at it.
 
I wonder if cairnsbird has ever heard of Helen Keller. People thought she was mentally disabled because they only attempted to reach her using their own limited methods of communication. Fortunately someone with an open mind finally came along and reached out to Ms Keller in a far more appropriate way, so society finally had the benefit of communicating with an incredibly intelligent & insightful human being. How many others are seen as a burden, just because society is too narrow-minded & stubborn to learn how to communicate with them?
 
Thanks Nitro

It's just really insulting to hear that I don't suffer because I'm verbal & did well in school … an incorrect & unfairly punitive assumption. My troubles don't have anything to do with how verbal I am … they stem from the same root problem as cairnsbird's ex's son, the fact that people are unwilling to communicate with anyone who appears different from themselves. It's a nasty, cruel world we live in.
 
The comments on this site are wonderful, you all appear to understand the problem. My ex had years of difficulty with his son, still does. At that time, there were no Autistic groups in Darwin and he had to struggle through the best he could. Now he is old, and worries about what will happen when he dies, as his son is severely affected.
 
Great article! I have a 12 yr old grandson who has moderate to severe autism. My daughter and her husband have gone the full mile in getting him help and I can imagine them saying the same thing to me. But the truth is we all suffer within our own zone of experience.

I can identify with your work situation. Been there--done that. There is one flaw in your analysis "...the questions I ask are, ...pretty obvious to others. Never mind the fact that the things that are less obvious to others are obvious to me."

You assume that these people find your questions obvious. If you are the new person on the block and they are seasoned code developers, I would hope that they find your questions obvious.

As for "things that are obvious to you being less obvious to others" you just described an Aspie's greatest strength--our ability to see things from a different perspective. Won't they be surprised when you pose a question that points out a design bug they never saw that could cost the company millions in revenue if it were not corrected before the SW was released! Don't ever sell yourself short.
 

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