Working and Minorities and ASD and "bad men"

[Neonatal RRT]

You are correct i'm Muslim minority here in Norway and ASD, and being discriminated against for wanting Honor.

(edit) before Labour comes school and childhood. They took my childhood. I say; the Hellspersonell are persecuting me in the name of Law, before that their parents discriminated against me for being Muslim. I'm of course lucky to be Muslim.

Understood. I am sorry you had...and are having that experience. However, I am glad that you have found Islam to keep yourself grounded. Sometimes people find themselves without something to keep them focused and grounded...and end up being lost...or worse.

Because i judge my family before I judge others outside of my family. As i lead by example.

Nearest then proceeding out. I clean my room then the rest of the house, then my community and out, like they say. Techniqally.

A good life strategy. Agree.

We know the story of cave dwellers in Christianity and Islam. When they slept there 300 years by God's will, they woke up, and they found their money was antique and they were wealthy.

The Prophet complains to God 25:30 And the Apostle will say, ‘O my Lord! Indeed my people consigned this Quran to oblivion.’

Laughing at my ignorance again...I don't know how to interpret that. Plain, "cave dweller" language for me...LOL!

 

[Neonatal RRT]

From what i remember he's a danger to himself and others, he's psychotic and is held in Norway in an institution where they take care of him, but he hates them for not being muslims and keeping him there against his will. I think he has schizophrenia but i'm not sure he openly ever said that.

I missed all of that, however, I do work in healthcare and have some understanding...and sympathy. I have had good acquaintances that have had autism and schizophrenia...amongst other conditions. As a friend, it is important to keep people grounded in reality...with respect. One can question and clarify without coming off as disrespectful. I do my best to give people the benefit of the doubt...until they prove themselves unworthy. So, until that happens, I am going to be respectful and not let any real or perceived mental health issues get in the way of polite conversation.

 

[Tired]

I missed all of that, however, I do work in healthcare and have some understanding...and sympathy. I have had good acquaintances that have had autism and schizophrenia...amongst other conditions. As a friend, it is important to keep people grounded in reality...with respect. One can question and clarify without coming off as disrespectful. I do my best to give people the benefit of the doubt...until they prove themselves unworthy. So, until that happens, I am going to be respectful and not let any real or perceived mental health issues get in the way of polite conversation.

He wrote once that "gay men can live... for now," so I don't have any respect left for him. I do, of course, not dislike him because he's shizo or whatever else, but for what he writes here.

 

[Hazel_1914]

He wrote once that "gay men can live... for now," so I don't have any respect left for him. I do, of course, not dislike him just because he's shizo or whatever else, but for what he writes here.

There are gay men on this forum and every other kind of LGBTQIA classification.

If this forum were a rough dive bar instead of a message-board, saying "gay men can live for now" would be, statistically, a good way to find oneself picking up one's own teeth in a parking lot.

Some of my acquaintances are schizophrenic but they still remain kind to people. Why attribute to insanity what can easily be explained by bigotry? I think I agree with you.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

He wrote once that "gay men can live... for now," so I don't have any respect left for him. I do, of course, not dislike him because he's shizo or whatever else, but for what he writes here.

Noted. However, when someone is deeply rooted in Islam and like some of us, perhaps a bit isolated socially, in our little bubble...this sort of thinking is understandable. @Hazel_1914, given the context and perspective in this regard, it is written in the Qur'an...so I wouldn't attribute these comments to insanity nor bigotry, but rather religious beliefs. However, more to your points, as you both suggest, it is not socially acceptable behavior on a public forum.

@lunarious, I would suggest censoring some of those thoughts when interacting on a public forum...in order to keep the conversation civil and respectful.

 

[lunarious]

He wrote once that "gay men can live... for now," so I don't have any respect left for him. I do, of course, not dislike him because he's shizo or whatever else, but for what he writes here.

If i said that, i apologize. It was ignorance like @Neonatal RRT said.

The idea is or was gay people don't Work, which we are talking on in this thread. So it is my mal-placed kindness that I warn gay people that being such and Work-less is not good. And a bad example for others.

But i have censored you off my view list @Tired . When i "report" gay people, is it reasonable they get censored not I?

 

[Tired]

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If i said that, i apologize. It was ignorance like @Neonatal RRT said.

The idea is or was gay people don't Work, which we are talking on in this thread. So it is my mal-placed kindness that I warn gay people that being such and Work-less is not good. And a bad example for others.

But i have censored you off my view list @Tired . When i "report" gay people, is it reasonable they get censored not I?

Moderator removed that your saying, so of course you can't find it.

 

[lunarious]

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Laughing at my ignorance again...I don't know how to interpret that. Plain, "cave dweller" language for me...LOL!

Seven Sleepers - Wikipedia

I apologize

Excerpt: and in Islam as Aṣḥāb al-Kahf (اصحاب الکهف, aṣḥāb al-kahf, lit. Companions of the Cave)

 

[Neonatal RRT]

The idea is or was gay people don't Work, which we are talking on in this thread. So it is my mal-placed kindness that I warn gay people that being such and Work-less is not good. And a bad example for others.

I am not well-versed in your culture or what you have been told...but being unemployed...as a lifestyle or simply because no one will hire them has absolutely nothing to do with being homosexual or not.

There are homosexuals who are very open...and are employed, sometimes in high positions within companies...who are responsible, accountable individuals...who put in far more than a typical 40-hour work week. There are homosexuals who are top-level athletes, who are leaders of corporations, who are leaders within the military and government, they have monogamous life partners, some have families...and every possible thing you could imagine.

I understand that all three of the holy religious texts...the Talmud, the Bible, and the Qur'an teach that homosexuality is a sin and describe what to do if someone is found guilty of that sin. However, these texts were written in a different time and in a different place...and as much as we would love to hold true to the written words of the Prophet, we also must have some understanding of context and perspective when interpreting those words. We cannot quote these words and absolve ourselves of any wrong doing should we choose to act upon those words...as we do live in the modern, civilized world, such that it is,...in 2025.

It is not for us to judge...only God...Allah.

As such...on a public forum...one must be careful with expressing cognitive biases.

 

[Markness]

Moderator removed that your saying, so of course you can't find it.

Instead of obsessing over interpretations of archaic texts that are meant to create conformists, he really should look into logic and reason.

 

[lunarious]

@Neonatal RRT ... Regardless of the 3 Religions, i know accidentally when a person is surrounded and beaten up, this person becomes vulgar. He might be surrounded by other Humans, or surrounded by life that is Pain.

A "bad man" (to not say that word) fears Death and not good warrior. And upon least resistance he'll say to the culprit "please take my wife". Even if he works 40+ hours a week.

I'm certain leaders in military are not bad men, they are influenced by their surroundings being bad men. I pray God die/dye me with The Good — (edit) and make me good influence.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Instead of obsessing over interpretations of archaic texts that are meant to create conformists, he really should look into logic and reason.

Now, you are getting to the core of a person here. What makes a person gravitate towards any religion? Why are some people more likely to be intellectually engaged in their belief systems and cognitive biases? To them...the teachings within the religion ARE logical and wise. The world is full of people...what type of psychological, anatomical, physiological, genetic/epigenetic makeup creates a person who finds belonging, safety, security...home...within a religion?

The world might (or not) be a better place if everyone did a lot more of that...it would all but eliminate "belief" and "cognitive bias" and "emotion"...it would allow people to properly engage in critical thinking...assessing both sides of an argument, etc. However, it has become apparent that humans are also flawed, emotional and social creatures...and that emotional component will consistently override the logic centers and the social component creates a sense of belonging, safety, and security. For some...religion might be the only thing grounding their existence, such as it is...for their life has been filled with pain (physical and/or psychological).

Working with the public...in healthcare...witnessing new life being brought into this world, as well as, death in all manner of ways, I operate both within a world of science and the metaphysical. I must have some respect and understanding of both.

Again...not for us, as ASD forum members, sitting behind computer screens, to judge...for we are not blessed/cursed with the clairvoyance to understand all the inputs/influences that make another human being behave the way they do.

This forum allows people to like and dislike what others say. We are given the privilege to engage or NOT engage.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

@Neonatal RRT ... Regardless of the 3 Religions, i know accidentally when a person is surrounded and beaten up, this person becomes vulgar. He might be surrounded by other Humans, or surrounded by life that is Pain.

Yes. Unfortunately, there are people to take it upon themselves (whatever their internal motivations) to perceive weakness or flaw in another human being...then boldly, without hesitation...expose it, exploit it, hold power over it, or kill it. The victim of that offense has three options...become wicked and fight back...to accept and withdrawal...or embrace death. Pain is often a given. I would be that fighter. That said, fortunately...thank Allah...there are those that escape that experience and do not have that pain.

A "bad man" (to not say that word) fears Death and not good warrior.

Agree. A warrior with "nothing to loose" is quite formidable.

And upon least resistance he'll say to the culprit "please take my wife". Even if he works 40+ hours a week.

That thought...at least, as put into words, made no comprehensible sense.

I'm certain leaders in military are not bad men, they are influenced by their surroundings being bad men. I pray God die/dye me with The Good — (edit) and make me good influence.

In the world of military combat...the business of taking lives...killing...some ARE truly bad men. In order to do what they do...to follow orders...to give orders...to dehumanize the enemy...in the worst of imagined scenarios...it's almost a requirement to have a psychopathic or sociopathic state of mind. You must be willing to give up your soul...for if you cannot, you will live the rest of your life with the pain of what you did. To be a good warrior...with "nothing to loose"...no fear of death...that requires you to sacrifice your own humanity...and in some cases, all that you hold dear in your life. That is a profound intellectual state of mind. Sometimes we are put into horrible situations requiring us to fight...and who survives this? For even when the battle subsides and there is the illusion of peace...it is an illusion...for those memories, so deeply burned into our minds, scar the soul. It is why many of our combat veterans experience significant mental health issues. There are very, very few good warriors...and those few likely have some serious mental pathology.

There is no glory and honor in battle and killing. That sort of rhetoric is for those who have never experienced the brutal, horrific, personal reality of it...the ignorant. It is also the rhetoric of those wicked, evil men in high towers and religious robes to coerce ignorant men to do their bidding for God and country. In the end, there is only death...and what a waste, for those lives could have been better served under different circumstances. The real warriors...the ones who survive to tell their story and pass on their wisdom...and I have had those conversations with my elders...would agree with those sentiments.

 

[lunarious]

Agree. A warrior with "nothing to loose" is quite formidable.

Life wants us to accumulate muscle. I'd fear losing my muscle thus having "nothing to lose". But in Karate they say muscle is an asset, we want technique. Also as Muslim i'm worse than Karate, i have no interest in Muscle whatsoever except as for health.

I've been arguing with @tree about that dancing wont improve defence and self-defence arts. But we can agree to dis-agree..

Thread 'Non-Violence and Karate and Islam'

Aug 9, 2025

Warning: Contains my thoughts as white-belt Karateka and Shia Muslim with some hadith. Kindly: Judge me fairly, i'll start by quoting Ahlul-Bayt.

Imam Sadiq (as) says: One who meets Muslims two-faced and forked-tongued will come on *the Day of Judgment* with two tongues of fire.

The Imam is refering to Allah's Vengance on behalf of The Muslim. Do not fight!

So this Sensei from TikTok said and demonstrated things i recognized as a white-belt Karateka.

This Sensei compared the Karateka with the Judoka. Karate and Judo.

He said Karate entails being punched in the face...

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Thread 'Spirit, Technique, Strength'

Jun 7, 2025

Imam and I said:

Jihad meaning struggel in Arabic is not for fighting itself, as in Chinese and Japanese "fighting" arts. We do not want to strike other people in Sports. Jihad is struggel for and in Knowledge. For good.

In Kyokushin Karate stricking the head with The Hand is not leagal. Sensei Oyama said in Kyokushin Karate ~ "muscle is unwanted". I understand in Karate Spirit is better than technique, technique is better than muscle strength. Muscle is a factor in Karate though.

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